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    Arrow i seriously need help...dont know what im doing or saying thats wrong

    Im a littlw frustrated at my earning lately...
    Its not a slow season, its just me.
    First off, im not saying i pay attention to other girls earnings but i DO SEE girls making hella money from floor dances, and selling hella VIPS. Earning $400+ slow nights.
    I sold a VIP yesterday but i kind of led the customer into thinking it was extras when it wasnt so i only made $40 in VIP after 25 went to the house.
    First prob, i seem to attract or even approach guys that want sex. Mainly from whites and diff races. I also had this "rapper" guy ask me whats my ticket for extras after grabbing my boob. He got all ego-y and told me i needed to b nice if i wanted to make money.
    Second problem, i work in a black club and i cannot get my hustle down packed. Maybe im being to personal in convo. My convo ends up with ppl asking my real name, where i work, nd what im majoring in and grad date.
    I also have trouble approaching custs....groups, couples anybody.
    I also noticed customers go for their body type right ofd bat, meaning i picked up on customers already knowing their type 75% of the time.
    My stats arr 5'7 ... 37-31-47
    Im reaching out for help with approach help, convo help, stage presence help, and how to sell better. Maybe it was just last night. But i want to sell more vips, talk to custs better and not be so personal.
    The bartender told me not to get discouraged. Another dancer told me not to expect getting rained on all the time and to be a hard hustler. Am i being to nice to custs?
    Ugh, i hope i dont sound desperate lol
    But i really want to make this a side career.
    Feel free to pm me also
    What am i doing wrong?
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    Default Re: i seriously need help...dont know what im doing or saying thats wrong

    You just said you made a customer believe he will get extras and then complain that you attract guys who only want sex?

    As far as hustling, maybe try leaving a little more mystery, don't reveal yourself too much.

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    i used to have that problem, and it was because i was being too much "myself" at work. i have to get into another personality when i hit the floor and its hard. i act like the stereotypical ditzy hot stripper, re-direct any questions about my personal life, and pretty much act like a two-dimensional character. don't talk to them for too long, don't talk about yourself or your life, i just go up with a cute sexy opening line, touch their shoulder/hair/leg, adjust my bra, and smile like crazy while giving sexy eyes and say " you ready to come have some fun with me? " you might meet customers who really like to talk and have a "connection" and in that case say " i really love talking to you, you wanna come somewhere a little more private and continue?"

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    A particular customer wanted extras ans i tried to play up the "Well have some naughty fun in vip" line/attitude making him believe hell get extras but not really...but your right that was a fail
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    Your right my stripper name is zena which is a great convo starter and it goes well with my build (i get compliments all night long) but thats one of my probs is not getting into character, plus i have confidence issues when i comes to sellinf my product bcuz for some reason i automatically think theyre cheap and wont buy.
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    Ill admit to ive blew a sale by being nervous and talking to much. For instance i was talking to a state police officer and he introduced me to his friend but i rambles on and on and didnt close the sale. Closing a sale is an issues because im either to direct (wanna dance, its $20 upfront) or i assume they know and just start dancing. I always get my money either way. But sometimes its to awkard, or upfront.
    On the flip side im glad i jumped head first in to a high hustle club because i have no choice but to learn quick.
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    ^ don't ever go into it thinking they wont buy! that was my problem. you have to assume the sale, confidence is a huge part of hustling

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    Ill admit to ive blew a sale by being nervous and talking to much. For instance i was talking to a state police officer and he introduced me to his friend but i rambles on and on and didnt close the sale. Closing a sale is an issues because im either to direct (wanna dance, its $20 upfront) or i assume they know and just start dancing. I always get my money either way. But sometimes its to awkard, or upfront.
    On the flip side im glad i jumped head first in to a high hustle club because i have no choice but to learn quick.
    scared money makes no money

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    Is your club dirty? Like are there extras regularly going on? It kind of sounds like you are if you keep encountering customers that are looking for extras. If that's right, check out this thread on hustling in an extras club: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...your-club-area

    Here are 2 other threads on hustling that I have found immensely helpful:
    This one is a pretty basic hustle, but it might help you deal with your talking too much and being yourself: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...-Hustle-Thread
    This one is more advanced, but it's a goldmine on reading your customers and tailoring your hustle: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...e-in-the-clubs

    I think your #1 problem is your lack of confidence though. Of course customers aren't going to spend money on you if you don't think you're worth it! For now, you've got to fake it until that confidence is real. Stop outright assuming that they aren't going to spend money on you because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy too.

    Finally -- have you considered trying out a different club? Not every club is going to be a good fit. Maybe you'd do better in a non-urban club since your conversation might be more effective there. Maybe you won't get approached as much for extras. Maybe the change of scenery will just do wonders for you and your confidence. Maybe I'm just really big on trying out different clubs when things aren't going well because I don't see the point in sticking around when it's not going you way. At the very least, you'll be a fresh face and that could spark some new girl money which will up your confidence and help you segue into a good hustle once the new girl money fades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallyn_love View Post
    plus i have confidence issues when i comes to sellinf my product bcuz for some reason i automatically think theyre cheap and wont buy.
    Hey hun. This was something I struggled with for a long time. The first few years I danced I never pushed the VIP room unless a customer asked about it, and avoided working in conversation-based clubs. I thought my company wasn't worth the big bucks, or that I wasn't the "type" guys with money were looking for. Heck I remember one of the first clubs I worked in which was all about the slow conversation hustle. My second night there I was sitting with a guy who was slipping me 20s to sit at the stage with him and laugh at his jokes. I was sooo shy and intimidated, at the end of the night I ran in the dressing room as soon as they announced closing. Dude actually went to the atm and was trying to wave me over so he could tip me more but I didn't even want to leave the dressing room because I was too intimidated.

    Anyway fast forward a few years and I now work in a fancy club with VIP rooms, really enjoy talking with businessmen and engineers, and ask for big tips without a second thought. Just the other night I charged a guy 1000 to stay in the VIP with me for the rest of the night with only 2.5 hours left before closing. I don't think my baby stripper self would've believed it.

    What really worked for me was making friends with the older (late twenties and up) mature dancers who do well. Hearing them talk about their hustle successes really normalized it for me. It made me feel like "well my friend Bubbles just snagged that guy over there and got $400 from him, if I'm good enough to be friends with her than I'm good enough for another guy to spend just as much on me." Plus once you become friends the successful dancers are usually happy to share their tips and see you improving. Are there any friendly hustlers at your club? Even just chatting with them in the dressing room at the end of the night can make a big difference.

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    Thx guys...any body feel free to add in stuff..
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    A cust also grabbed me after i left the club nd said he wanted a dance from me nd gave me his #...i tld him i dont do otc but im more than happy to show him a good time nxt time im working...
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    Default Re: i seriously need help...dont know what im doing or saying thats wrong

    Is this the only club you've worked at? Do you have similar problems at other clubs?

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    Default Re: i seriously need help...dont know what im doing or saying thats wrong

    Switch clubs. You shouldn't have to deal with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallyn_love View Post
    A cust also grabbed me after i left the club nd said he wanted a dance from me nd gave me his #...i tld him i dont do otc but im more than happy to show him a good time nxt time im working...
    I do find myself having a problem at other clubs sometimes well the only other club in detroit i worked at.

    I find myself feeling comfy enough in my city, and maybe being away from home has some to do with me not feeling fully comfortable and being nervous
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    I do find myself having a problem at other clubs sometimes well the only other club in detroit i worked at.

    I find myself feeling comfy enough in my city, and maybe being away from home has some to do with me not feeling fully comfortable and being nervous
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    I do wanna try other clubs until i find my fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post

    I think your #1 problem is your lack of confidence though.
    I have to agree with this and not only is it stopping you from getting customers to spend money, but it may be partly why you're getting so many extras-seekers. Some girls do extras cause they're just fucking lazy, some do extras cause they don't know how to hustle, but a LOT of girls do extras because they're insecure and don't feel they can win over a big spender, or even a basic customer, without offering sexual services.

    You would be surprised at how well some customers can read us, I know we talk about how stupid they are a lot of time (and many of them are) but there are a LOT of customers out there that can read us as well as we can read them and are extremely manipulative. They may see that you're insecure and eager to please and take advantage of that by pushing you to do extras. They're not going to bother with the girls reeking of confidence cause they know they can't be easily manipulated and if they push for extras those girls are just going to say fuck-you and move on to the next customer, cause they're confident another will come around. You're giving them the vibe, it sounds to me anyway, like you're desperate for their money. I almost never get customers asking me for extras anymore but I did a LOT when I first started. I have a very different attitude with customers than I did then. I was much more shy and timid then, and they could tell how much I wanted/needed their money. Now I have a fuck-you-you-don't-deserve-me attitude and hardly anyone asks me. They'll complain to me about how they want to touch me in an air-dance club, but they definitely get that it isn't an option, which is why they're complaining!

    I would also take a look at some of the threads Shanna posted because it may be the way you're wording your hustle, definitely don't go the "we can get super dirty route" cause it's just gonna open up questions about "well what can we do?" I really just push the "we're gonna have so much fun" line instead. If the customer doesn't go for that, then they're not worth it. It's unfortunate but sometimes it's better to not make money than to make money. There have definitely been nights where I've known I could have made twice, even three times what I did if I had been willing to go with a certain customer, but sometimes it's just not a good idea.

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    ^I couldn't have put it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    I have to agree with this and not only is it stopping you from getting customers to spend money, but it may be partly why you're getting so many extras-seekers. Some girls do extras cause they're just fucking lazy, some do extras cause they don't know how to hustle, but a LOT of girls do extras because they're insecure and don't feel they can win over a big spender, or even a basic customer, without offering sexual services.

    You would be surprised at how well some customers can read us, I know we talk about how stupid they are a lot of time (and many of them are) but there are a LOT of customers out there that can read us as well as we can read them and are extremely manipulative. They may see that you're insecure and eager to please and take advantage of that by pushing you to do extras. They're not going to bother with the girls reeking of confidence cause they know they can't be easily manipulated and if they push for extras those girls are just going to say fuck-you and move on to the next customer, cause they're confident another will come around. You're giving them the vibe, it sounds to me anyway, like you're desperate for their money. I almost never get customers asking me for extras anymore but I did a LOT when I first started. I have a very different attitude with customers than I did then. I was much more shy and timid then, and they could tell how much I wanted/needed their money. Now I have a fuck-you-you-don't-deserve-me attitude and hardly anyone asks me. They'll complain to me about how they want to touch me in an air-dance club, but they definitely get that it isn't an option, which is why they're complaining!

    I would also take a look at some of the threads Shanna posted because it may be the way you're wording your hustle, definitely don't go the "we can get super dirty route" cause it's just gonna open up questions about "well what can we do?" I really just push the "we're gonna have so much fun" line instead. If the customer doesn't go for that, then they're not worth it. It's unfortunate but sometimes it's better to not make money than to make money. There have definitely been nights where I've known I could have made twice, even three times what I did if I had been willing to go with a certain customer, but sometimes it's just not a good idea.
    Your right about the confidence . All u guys are so right...i dont know what id do without sw lol

    My lack of confidence came from my chilhood, my mom comparing me to ppl, me being fat nd an ugly duckling. I just lost weight grew my natural hair long nd its dark also. Guyz tell me how beautiful i am. My confidence is slowly coming back.

    I just need to learn to get into my persona. Thats another problem of mine...im to much of myself at work. Minimal makeup, straight hair...i feel like to much of ME. I talk to damn much nd im to nice. Lol. I need to get a routine to fet myself amped up.
    I wont give up tho bcuz i know i can sell, its just me holding me back. Plus the fear of rejection haunts me from my past. It still bothers me.

    Nd i dont know if working at an urban club/caucasian club. Whether its slow or not idk if the hustle differs.
    I can kinda get with the cust i just talk myself out the sale.

    I need advice on what to say...this is me
    Me: hey, how are you tonight? Want some company?
    Customer: smiles a little* yea sit down
    Me: im zena, (still smiling, sticks out hand or touches cust)
    Cust: im billy, *smiling from ear to ear, and staring*
    Me: dont know what to say so starts random convo*...so what brought u out tonight?
    ....

    I dont know how to close a sale, or how to direct the convo, cust stares at me i get nervous and shut down and start running my big flaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    I have to agree with this and not only is it stopping you from getting customers to spend money, but it may be partly why you're getting so many extras-seekers. Some girls do extras cause they're just fucking lazy, some do extras cause they don't know how to hustle, but a LOT of girls do extras because they're insecure and don't feel they can win over a big spender, or even a basic customer, without offering sexual services.

    You would be surprised at how well some customers can read us, I know we talk about how stupid they are a lot of time (and many of them are) but there are a LOT of customers out there that can read us as well as we can read them and are extremely manipulative. They may see that you're insecure and eager to please and take advantage of that by pushing you to do extras. They're not going to bother with the girls reeking of confidence cause they know they can't be easily manipulated and if they push for extras those girls are just going to say fuck-you and move on to the next customer, cause they're confident another will come around. You're giving them the vibe, it sounds to me anyway, like you're desperate for their money. I almost never get customers asking me for extras anymore but I did a LOT when I first started. I have a very different attitude with customers than I did then. I was much more shy and timid then, and they could tell how much I wanted/needed their money. Now I have a fuck-you-you-don't-deserve-me attitude and hardly anyone asks me. They'll complain to me about how they want to touch me in an air-dance club, but they definitely get that it isn't an option, which is why they're complaining!

    I would also take a look at some of the threads Shanna posted because it may be the way you're wording your hustle, definitely don't go the "we can get super dirty route" cause it's just gonna open up questions about "well what can we do?" I really just push the "we're gonna have so much fun" line instead. If the customer doesn't go for that, then they're not worth it. It's unfortunate but sometimes it's better to not make money than to make money. There have definitely been nights where I've known I could have made twice, even three times what I did if I had been willing to go with a certain customer, but sometimes it's just not a good idea.
    Your right about the confidence . All u guys are so right...i dont know what id do without sw lol

    My lack of confidence came from my chilhood, my mom comparing me to ppl, me being fat nd an ugly duckling. I just lost weight grew my natural hair long nd its dark also. Guyz tell me how beautiful i am. My confidence is slowly coming back.

    I just need to learn to get into my persona. Thats another problem of mine...im to much of myself at work. Minimal makeup, straight hair...i feel like to much of ME. I talk to damn much nd im to nice. Lol. I need to get a routine to fet myself amped up.
    I wont give up tho bcuz i know i can sell, its just me holding me back. Plus the fear of rejection haunts me from my past. It still bothers me.

    Nd i dont know if working at an urban club/caucasian club. Whether its slow or not idk if the hustle differs.
    I can kinda get with the cust i just talk myself out the sale.

    I need advice on what to say...this is me
    Me: hey, how are you tonight? Want some company?
    Customer: smiles a little* yea sit down
    Me: im zena, (still smiling, sticks out hand or touches cust)
    Cust: im billy, *smiling from ear to ear, and staring*
    Me: dont know what to say so starts random convo*...so what brought u out tonight?
    ....

    I dont know how to close a sale, or how to direct the convo, cust stares at me i get nervous and shut down and start running my big flaps.
    scared money makes no money

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallyn_love View Post
    Guyz tell me how beautiful i am. My confidence is slowly coming back.
    If your confidence is dependent on what other people think of you then you are never going to be truly confident. You need to be able to find confidence within yourself, not from someone else. Work on doing affirmations, finding parts of yourself that you find sexy and special. I don't listen to what men say about me whether it's positive or negative because it has nothing to do with me, it all has to do with them.

    Honestly, you don't really need to have incredible conversation with the customers-- most of the them could care less what we say anyway. Look at some of the threads, there's one on the first page of Hustle Hut that has a lot of cute one-liners you can use. I can't think of what she says exactly but PinkiePie posted something that she says to her customers that was really good, if I can think of which thread it was I'll post it. Honestly just do a search.

    You really just need to find something that will get HIM to start talking, that's your goal-- not say something that is so incredibly insightful and meaningful that he sits up and listens, these guys don't care about that. SCs are a release, a form of relaxation for these men, they're not looking to get into political debate-- I mean, I've had some customers that are like that, but most just want to have fun. Just think of your customer as being an old, long lost friend. What would you say to them? The best hustlers are girls that go up to guys and make the guys feel like they already know them. And SMILE & BODY CONTACT. A pretty smile, a back rub, and touching his arm are much better tools than any conversation piece.

    Also, I never ask anyone to sit down. Why would I? I know they want me to sit cause I'm awesome and they've been staring at me all night wishing I would come and sit with them but they know I'm too good for them so they couldn't ask me. Channel that attitude.

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    Im reading on hustle hut now... this thread is motivating me
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    Thx for convo advice...looking at them as old friends, or just being super friendly on first impression is a way to go for convo
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    I also think when i run out of things to say its time to close the sale.
    How about these one liners that can lead a sale:
    ...let me dance for u!!!
    ...lol thats all i got
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