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    Hey everyone,

    I really need to vent right now. I am so fucking pissed!

    After taking a long break, I've returned to the industry. I recently got hired at a really nice upscale club and today was my second shift. Here's what happened: I sold a VIP dance $450 for 30 min. Right off the bat the club took $150. I wasn't mad because that's what I suspected, which is 33%. Ok fine. The same guy who bought the VIP dance also bought drinks+steak, another $60 roughly. Later, I got 2 $20 dances from a different guy ($40) and the club doesn't take anything out of $20 dances. I also got roughly $40 in stage tips as well.

    When I was ready to check out around 7:30 (mind you regular check out is 7) the floor host told me to talk to the manager about the checking out. All right, so I go talk to the manager and he gives me attitude about checking out like he's doing me favor for letting me check out at 7:30. Finally I check out and he's charging me an extra $60. I asked him where this $60 is coming from since I only did 1 VIP dance. He said "he told me about this earlier". NO he didn't! I thought $150 was all that was going to be taken out. I told him that this was very unfair and that they are taking almost 50% of my money. He replied yes it's unfair, "but at least I made money". What the fuck? I went home with a little over $300. Those dicks didn't do shit to help me with dances, I made that money all on my own. I feel like this is ridiculous! I feel like charging an extra $60 is way out of proportion, especially since I made them $60 in food and drink. I left almost in tears because I was so fucking pissed and didn't tip anyone because if I had stayed 1 min longer, I would have thrown a fit.

    What should I do? I'm really pissed at the management! I don't know if I should go back because the management takes out too much. However, it is a really upscale club with good clientele, non-catty girls, and I like the hours the club is open. As easy as they could replace me, I could find another stripping job. Should I find another job? Should I go back? If I go back, should I talk to the management? I really think what they did was unfair, however, I don't think management gives a shit. In case I did go back, I would definitely tip the DJ. I realize this had nothing to do with him and I would have tipped him if I didn't bolt out.

    P.S. I should also add that $450 VIP dances are not listed in the contract. Furthermore, today was a relatively slow day. I didn't see many girls selling any dances and many girls were complaining that they had made $0. I would bet that I made the most money today. I think it's fair to assume that the club took out the extra $60 because they are greedy and no one was making money.

    Thank you for reading my extremely long rant!

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    I'm having trouble understanding why you are so upset. How high was your house fee? Did you think it would be free because it was your first night, but you were charged $60? Or did you pay a house fee already, and were charged an additional $60?

    It sounds to me like you should cut the manager a little slack, at least for now. You're new to the club and haven't had a chance to really prove your value to him yet. And really, who is in a good mood at 7:30 in the morning?

    I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm not taking your side. I wasn't there, obviously, but the way you worded it, this doesn't sound to me like anything worth getting too upset over. I would give it a few more shifts if I were you.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    My house fee was $210 and it was all taken from my only VIP dance, which was $450.

    I paid the mandatory $150 for the VIP room and was charged an additional $60.

    I had gotten there at noon, which is regular check in time, and left at 7:30 p.m.

    I also wasn't expecting anything to be free. I was expecting only $150 to be taken out.

    Hope that clears things up!

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    And no need to be sorry, I appreciate your input!

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    $210 house fee when you clock in at noon?! Wow, I am in a whole different world than you are.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    That is outrageous, you must be in NYC or something along those lines?

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    Hell no. Go somewhere else.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    $210 for a day shift?? Where in the heck are you working...?
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    You can only make so much selling dances, but when you really get into a guys head and heart, you get into his wallet.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    ... let me see if I understand this correctly ...

    - you were charged a $60 'house fee' for day shift at an upscale club

    - you were charged 33% or $150 out of a $450 VIP you sold

    - you were charged zero out of the $20 private dances you sold

    - you were charged zero out of the $40 in stage tips you received

    - you received zero additional 'kickback' on food and drinks you sold


    Unfortunately, what this amounts to is a 'new normal' in terms of clubowner 'economics' ... and especially so for upscale clubs. This 'new normal' is made possible because upscale clubowners now have a steady stream of would-be new dancers knocking on the club's front door on a daily basis. This means that clubowners have the leverage to impose just about any rules and fees they choose, and can typically immediately 'replace' any dancers who are unhappy about those rules or fees.

    For better or worse, these days clubowners ... and especially the owners of upscale clubs ... are facing increased property taxes / rent, increased insurance costs, increased utility bills, etc. At the same time, the persistent poor economy is resulting in fewer customers coming into the club ( thus less $ in cover charges and drink minimums for the club ). And, of the remaining club customers, generally speaking they are spending less money than they used to ( meaning less VIP earnings for both the club and the dancers ). Ultimately, the club has to remain profitable if it is going to continue to provide dancers with a place to work and access to customer dollars. Requiring dancers to pay house fees provides clubowners with an additional source of revenue to offset their increased operating costs.
    Last edited by Melonie; 07-06-2014 at 07:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    Was the house fee communicated to you and you perhaps misunderstood? Does the club have a system where house fee is done in a sliding scale format dependent on earnings (thus leaving room for confusion)? I just think it's good to be sure. I know there are managers who are no angels and do rip people off, but some places can have really confusing rules regarding house fees/commission.

    Before you take any drastic action, I would go back and talk to the manager. It is always good to iron out clearly what your expected cut at the end of the night is percentage-wise. If there is no written contract provided at the club, get them to go over it with you and maybe even write it down (I being the stickler for detail that I am actually have done this before, especially in clubs where what you owe can vary on what you sell).

    When anyone takes half your money it sucks, but if that is indeed the case you have to weigh up the pros and cons of whether it's worth your time. I've worked at clubs that take half your earnings, but these have been upscale clubs where the earning potential is really good for the effort put in. This makes a 50% cut a trade-off I'll tolerate.

    If this is a good club (and I don't just mean being upscale, but is there really money to be made there), then consider sticking it out for a few more shifts. You might make more money after a 50% cut there than at a club that only takes 25%.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    Was the house fee communicated to you and you perhaps misunderstood? Does the club have a system where house fee is done in a sliding scale format dependent on earnings (thus leaving room for confusion)? I just think it's good to be sure. I know there are managers who are no angels and do rip people off, but some places can have really confusing rules regarding house fees/commission.

    My 'read' of this particular club house fee situation, based on the 'at least you earned money ... other dancers didn't' comment, is that this clubowner is willing to waive the house fee for dancers who haven't earned enough money to allow them to pay the house fee without digging into their own pocket. From the standpoint of a highly 'productive' dancer, this is arguably somewhat unfair since it means that 'mediocre' dancers are allowed to contribute less towards the club's operating expenses while the highly 'productive' dancer must contribute more. Some seriously upscale clubs charge their house fee at the beginning of the shift and will not allow dancers to start working until their stage fee has been paid ( out of the dancers own pocket ), leading to the very real possibility that a 'mediocre' dancer may leave the club at the end of the shift with less money than she walked in with at the beginning of the shift !!!

    A situation of the club charging house fees without regard to individual dancer earnings is arguably more fair to all dancers, but has the obvious consequence of forcing 'mediocre' dancers to leave to avoid losing money / earning little or nothing. That's not an issue if there are other highly 'productive' dancers knocking on the club's front door to instantly replace the 'mediocre' dancers who are leaving. However, this is a BIG issue if 'mediocre' dancers leaving also leaves the club without enough 'eye candy' to continue to attract / satisfy customer expectations, due to a shortage of 'new' dancers. A situation where the club is willing to 'waive' house fees based on individual dancer earnings levels, like progressive Income Taxes, is arguably less fair ... but also less 'objectionable' to everyone except the highly 'productive' dancers who are forced to bear an increased 'share' of the club's operating costs.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    You aren't going to be able to change the fees or get management to waive them for you, so your only options are to suck it up (if the club has high earning potential, especially compared to the other clubs in the area, then maybe you will still come out ahead despite paying out half your earnings) or to find a different club with lower fees. Personally, I would try out another club without burning a bridge at this one to see what the earning potential and fees are elsewhere in the city, and then decide where to stick around.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    This is annoying but it is definitely the New York model (not sure where you are?) It sounds like you might be misunderstanding the difference between house fee and room cut though? House fee is what you pay just for showing up and being "allowed" to work. You pay this regardless of whether you sell a room, do dances, sell food, whatever. So it sounds like instead of paying it at the start like most clubs he took it at the end. You would have owed it room or no room, and then the room cut (the $150) is standard. They do get mad at you if you check out late, because A/ sometimes they are finishing their shift or closing down day bank/money and B/perceive that you are taking away from night girls' money. They are not gonna generally cut you any slack for selling rooms or food unless you are explicitly told you get breaks for that. Some clubs give you incentives linked to house fees for food and beverage sales but not all. I would maybe go in a bit early or grab a quiet moment and ask the manager to break down fees, cuts and any breaks, incentives, extra charges and tip outs and write it down so you can be clear. As Melonie said they charge what they think they need to to cover their costs, and also she may be right about in your situation the management being willing to waive fees if girls do not sell rooms that day. You'd have to clarify that with management again. Although it feels like you are being ripped off sometimes it's better to not even know what the customer pays and then you think of as your loss and instead just think of the dollar amount you get for the room and focus on that as your goal.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    that place sounds ridiculous. you shouldn't have to pay out 50% of your earnings, no matter how much you make. i guess you could go in there and ask about all the fees and get everything straight, and work another night and see if you make more..i would personally go somewhere else. i hate greedy clubs like that, and don't feel like supporting them with my hard-earned money. i would hate so see what the house fee for the night shift is..

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    It sounds like if you had decided to stay and work longer, you would have left with more than you made. You paid a $60 tip out with your $150 room fee. That is normal. Tipout is everywhere, at least they didn't take any of your dance/ stage money! Am I missing something here or are you just pissed that tip out is a thing? Where I work, we pay a base amount for the privilege or working depending on the night of the week (it ranges from $20-$30 and gets more expensive on the busier days) and we pay out 10% of all of our lap dances. That is normal. If I sell 25 lapdances on a Thursday night, tipout is $25 base and I give them $50 extra plus tip, so I am paying the club around $85 every night to work there. That's dancing. You gotta pay to play.

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    It sounds like you need to sell more rooms to increase your earnings percentages at this club. Did your customers tip you extra on top of the fees? I try to coach my customers to cover my fees as well as the price of the rooms. In your case it would $600 total for the hour, then you just pay $150 back to the house and keep your $450. Even if my customers don't cover 100% of my room fee, I can usually get them to kick in a little extra $$ by saying something along the lines of "The room is $450 an hour, but I have to give $150 back to the house. All of the guys I've danced for before help me out with my fees."

    I never directly ask for a tip, but get one about 90% of the time with this line. If they are paying with a credit card anyway, it makes it even easier for them to kick you a little extra.

    If you could sell a room on your 1st shift, I'd say this club is worth visiting again. Give it another try, and if it isn't any better, then if your earnings aren't where you'd like, just quietly find another club to work in.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    Yes Melonie, everything you stated was completely correct and I couldn't agree with you more.

    I like the idea by Union Jackie and mistylove to go in early and talk to the manager so I can write down all of the house fees and see exactly where this extra $60 was coming from. I will also need to ask if I get kickbacks for selling food and drink.

    I live in a very expensive city in the US, not NYC, but just as bad.

    The manager actually wanted me to stay later than 7:30 p.m. He said many night girls haven't checked in yet and he wanted me on the floor. That's why he made it seem like he was doing me a favor by letting me leave at 7:30 p.m. when though he wanted me to stay later.

    I've also paid high tipouts/house fees at other clubs in my area, but never ever more than $200. However, at the other club I worked at with high house fees, the managers told me right from the get go that they would take the first $200 ... no matter how many dances I made. It was well understood that I would have to ask for tips in order to make money.

    One of the main reasons why I was so pissed is because I was under the assumption that my only fees were $150. I didn't think to ask for tips because I thought I was already making enough money and it already took a lot of work in order to sell that VIP room. Also, if I had known they would take so much money from the room, I would have opted to have sold several regular VIPs instead.

    I'll give the club one more try. I don't expect an apology or reimbursement from the management, but hopefully a clear understanding of how the house fees/tip outs work. Perhaps I'll stay away from selling rooms and focus on selling individual dances instead.

    However, if it doesn't work out the next time I go in, I will very politely never return.

    Thank you everyone for your input!
    Last edited by littlelizard; 07-06-2014 at 08:21 PM. Reason: added additional information

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    The club has to give you a receipt at the end of the shift for all those charges. By LAW, so you can write it off your taxes & they have to pay taxes on that money. Now, most count on NONE of the girls filing taxes so they usually pocket that money tax free.

    My BBF kept every receipt & when she filed taxes for dancing at The Mansion in Dallas years ago the IRS audited the club for FRAUD. Cause they never declared any of that money.

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    Yep, it sucks but unfortunately that's the way it is at a lot of clubs! I got a $2,000 tip once and went home with 50% of my money at my old club after paying my house fee, commission on dances, tipping out, and surcharges for funny money. Why did I stay? Because 2 thousand $ + nights a week was pretty average and $500 was a bad night. Even after giving them WAY more than they deserved I was still making too much money to complain about it.

    You have to decide if the earning potential at this club is high enough that paying the fees is worth it. I mean, there are some clubs that will only charge you $20 for a house fee and they have great earning potential and then there are clubs that charge you $20 for a house fee and they have terrible earning potential. So low doesn't necessarily mean good just like high doesn't necessarily mean bad.

    To be honest though none of the fees seem like super crazy to me, so I'm not really comprehending why you were sooo upset... I mean, 33% is pretty average! And they didn't take anything from your $20 dances which is good!

    Also, girl, come on. No need to take your upset out on the staff by not tipping. They didn't take money from you. If you do that again you might as well kiss coming back there good bye as they're all going to hate you!

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    youre leaving with over 300 and all you did was 2 20 dances and a half hour? sounds like a pretty good payout to me.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    All I saw in your post is that you said you were so pissed about what happened you didn't tip anyone... I don't know what your normal tipping policy is, but I tip everyone-- bouncers, management, DJ, host, etc. Everyone plays a role and everyone appreciates a tip and will remember it the next time an opportunity comes around to help you. There have been nights where I've been been pissed about the fees or done badly and I've still tipped, and the people I have worked with have always appreciated that and done me tons of favors, like recommending big spenders to me or helping me pull out a larger tip. And I've done really shitty and had waitresses, managers, and bouncers refuse to take the tip I gave them. It's the thought that counts.

    I understand you don't want to tip management and you don't have to listen to my advice, but I think you should try and think a little more long-term. I have always tipped my managers and the ones that I've tipped well and on a regular basis have always done me favors-- cashed out funny money when I really needed it, looked the other way with a fee for missing a shift or being late, dropped a house fee or a dance cut when I had a bad night, let me go home early, etc. You really don't want to get on their bad side.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    In response to audrey_k,

    First off I would like to add that I'm not pissed about $150 room charge because I feel like that is fair.

    What is making me so upset is the extra $60 charge. If/when I decide to go back I will clear up any misunderstandings about where exactly that $60 charge is from.

    "In case I did go back, I would definitely tip the DJ. I realize this had nothing to do with him and I would have tipped him if I didn't bolt out."
    I plan on tipping the DJ before my next shift and apologize for not tipping him on my previous shift. Obviously this has nothing to do with him and he shouldn't suffer the burden.

    If I had tipped everyone, I would be leaving with well under 50%. I understand your reasoning on why I should tip everyone to get on their good side, however, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that the stripper should never leave with under 50% of her hard earned money. I don't think anyone in any profession, stripping or not, should take home less than 50% of their earnings.

    Additionally, I'd much rather have someone not like me than leave with less than 50%. I really don't care if anyone likes me in the club because I'm strictly there for money. There are plenty of other clubs for me and plenty of other dancers for them.

    I should point out that if they didn't charge the extra $60, I would have handsomely tipped the management.

    Lastly, I appreciate your opposing views. It gives me a different perspective and is probably the mind set similar to that of the management.

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    did this guy pay in cash? im assuming he paid credit card if he spent that much, in which case 60 is 15% of 450 which is a pretty normal credit card charge.

    if youre not cool with leaving with "half" of "your" $ then you should stay away from rooms, funny money, host, etc and stick to 20 dances and stage tips. personally im more than happy to leave with half or even less of what a customer spent because that means im still making a whole lot more than i would otherwise because of the fees involved in making that much. fyi you should also stop thinking of it as "your" $ when the cuts are clearly lined out ahead of time. idk what happened with the 60 but the 150 was never yours to begin with and neither was the $ that dude bought steak with. lol.

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    Default Re: Really pissed! Club took almost 50% of my earnings

    Quote Originally Posted by littlelizard View Post
    In response to audrey_k,

    First off I would like to add that I'm not pissed about $150 room charge because I feel like that is fair.

    What is making me so upset is the extra $60 charge. If/when I decide to go back I will clear up any misunderstandings about where exactly that $60 charge is from.

    "In case I did go back, I would definitely tip the DJ. I realize this had nothing to do with him and I would have tipped him if I didn't bolt out."
    I plan on tipping the DJ before my next shift and apologize for not tipping him on my previous shift. Obviously this has nothing to do with him and he shouldn't suffer the burden.

    If I had tipped everyone, I would be leaving with well under 50%. I understand your reasoning on why I should tip everyone to get on their good side, however, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that the stripper should never leave with under 50% of her hard earned money. I don't think anyone in any profession, stripping or not, should take home less than 50% of their earnings.

    Additionally, I'd much rather have someone not like me than leave with less than 50%. I really don't care if anyone likes me in the club because I'm strictly there for money. There are plenty of other clubs for me and plenty of other dancers for them.

    I should point out that if they didn't charge the extra $60, I would have handsomely tipped the management.

    Lastly, I appreciate your opposing views. It gives me a different perspective and is probably the mind set similar to that of the management.
    I don't think you're getting my point... I'm not saying to tip them so they want to invite you for drinks and give them half their friendship bracelet. I would rather go home with less than 50% on a shift and the next time a big spender comes in the host or waitress or bouncer helps me out and I end up going home with 2gs. Because those 2gs are worth more than the $50 I lost having to go home with less than 50%. This IS about money, but unfortunately they're not going to like you if you don't give them money so they're not going to help you make money they're going to help another girl make money! I just don't understand girls that don't value their relationship with the staff, I dunno, I've known girls that have your mindset and just don't understand it. All my best regulars have always been guys that staff recommended to me or they recommend to them, and I've had hosts and waitresses help me get HUGE tips from customers. And like I said, I've had tons of favors done for me from managers for tipping out. I'm not saying go home with $200 when you could go home with $300, just give them something. They know the deal and aren't expecting a huge handout if you didn't make bank. It's partly just for good faith so they know if they do help you score a whale you're gonna throw something back.

    And unfortunately, a house fee is pretty standard, that's what it sounds like the $60 was to me, so I don't think you can count that against management. Once again, it's not his fault, he has to follow the rules of the club. He can't charge everyone else a house fee and not you, how is that fair? Why should you not have to pay the house fee?

    Honestly, it sounds like maybe a commission-based club is not for you and perhaps you should go somewhere with a set house-fee. That way you can just pay an amount up front and once you make it back you will keep everything, perhaps that set-up will make you feel more comfortable than having them take a straight out percentage. Because honestly what they're taking is pretty average, I've worked at clubs that just straight up took half my money from every dance and every room and then charged me a house fee and expected me to tip on top of that!

    And sweetheart, I am not in the perspective of management. I've worked in commission-based clubs for 90% of my 5 year dancing career so I just get it is all, I'm fucking stripper just like you.... so please don't tell me I don't understand the dancer experience just because you don't like that I can't sympathize with you flipping out over not getting to keep 80% of your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    And unfortunately, a house fee is pretty standard, that's what it sounds like the $60 was to me, so I don't think you can count that against management. Once again, it's not his fault, he has to follow the rules of the club. He can't charge everyone else a house fee and not you, how is that fair? Why should you not have to pay the house fee?
    That was my take, too, but if you scroll up she says her house fee was an additional $210.

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