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    I totally understand that. I'm sure you will look great, too. The picture above is stunning as you already are.

    I was just posting my honest opinion as a 15 year industry veteran about what actually looks natural, and what doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    None of those look even remotely natural, except the first perhaps--but she has much larger hips than you do and is clearly the 'voluptuous' type. Whereas you appear to be clearly the 'athletic' type, and that size (in the first picture) would not look at all 'natural' on you either. For your build the C would be ideal, IMO.

    I've seen maybe 1 out of every 50-75 BAs that really looked 'natural', if not even less. And I am talking about women I knew before the BAs. I know a lot of 'civilian' women who are flat chested get very small implants and look very natural, but not usually in the clubs.
    Honestly you have a CLEAR body type preference based on your posts that consistently have a negative tone towards implants and butts that won't crush walnuts. Let's be clear, many guys like the "teen" or "barely legal" look but let's call it what it is. I won't put it down, because I used to have that kind of body and it was great. It got tons of attention, but in my case (and from the way ladies talk here) there is a clear preference for the way I (or they) look now, and (for me) this is among people in day to day life (and many of them have seen my tits naked too), not even those going to strip clubs for a fantasy (which many times involves more of an extreme version of the female ideal (big tits small waist round perky butt). I am several inches shorter than Audrey, and while I have more of the body type of the girl with the wider hips, I'm still freaking small at a size zero and I have size E tits. Trying to convince tons of girls on stripper web not to go above a certain size is just setting them up for failure and disappointment in my opinion. You don't know more about bra sizes than us no matter how many years you have under your belt as a strip club DJ. You're undeniably biased based on what you like. And you will notice I was one of the ones supporting smaller implants in this thread, but not that small. Your work in the strip club for 15 years has more likely skewed what you see, versus making it universal truth on what most women should look like to bank or what most men like in and outside the club. Yeah, I've never stripped but what I've experienced as a female for 20 something years in a small body with no implants, and several years with implants aligns much more with what these other girls are saying and completely goes against most of what you consider "ideal". Most guys don't live around strippers like you do, and they are much much less likely to so closely examine which tits look real and which ones look too big and which ones are unnatural on which frame. If the tits are soft and have movement and don't ripple and have a somewhat natural slope most guys can't fucking determine for sure if they're fake. They're just happy to see big hot tits on a fit body.

    I haven't been that impressed with some of the surgeons work I've seen at BA, garter, and teasers myself but that doesn't mean some larger boob jobs don't look awesome on small girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi14 View Post
    Let's be clear, many guys like the "teen" or "barely legal" look but let's call it what it is.
    I know this probably isn't what you meant, but I reacted badly to the implication that small-chested girls look like teenagers, and that men who like small-chested women are usually into the 'barely legal' look.

    That said, this is not a thread on big breasts vs. small breasts, so let's stay on topic (i.e. Audrey's BA).

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    For people who say you are going to want to go bigger, they're probably right. I wasn't dancing yet when I had mine done, I was just flat up top with a bigger butt for my frame, so I wanted to be proportional. Now that I'm dancing though, I tend to go to work and get "boob envy," and think, gosh, I wish I had gone bigger.

    My honest opinion is to just forget about whatever cup size you think you wish you could be, and bring in the pictures you have instead. Then you can say to the doctor, "I want proportions like this," and he will be able to choose what he thinks is best for you to achieve the result you want. This is what I did, and my results are exactly what I was hoping for. My doctor and I never decided on CCs or anything beforehand.

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    Default Re: need some advice on implants... increasing size?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I totally understand that. I'm sure you will look great, too. The picture above is stunning as you already are.

    I was just posting my honest opinion as a 15 year industry veteran about what actually looks natural, and what doesn't.
    I appreciate your input. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I know this probably isn't what you meant, but I reacted badly to the implication that small-chested girls look like teenagers, and that men who like small-chested women are usually into the 'barely legal' look.

    That said, this is not a thread on big breasts vs. small breasts, so let's stay on topic (i.e. Audrey's BA).
    Sorry but that was not my intention at all. I meant it in a good way and I still admire small chested girls and the athletic or youthful look (and I believe this doesn't automatically correlate to breast size anyway, it just so happens that smaller breasts seem to be more common on smaller women, or younger women for various reasons like child birth or establishing the funds for implants later on if desired). Honestly I loved my body when I had a small chest and my decision to get implants wasn't based on the idea that I would be "better" but just "different". I was ready for a change and to have something I had always been curious about.

    I admit I reacted negatively to a trend I've noticed of Djoser perpetuating the idea that the smallest body parts are somehow preferred and basically trying to discourage women from getting breast implants when they are obviously set on them. He's very opinionated, which is fine, but don't speak as if you are the expert on our bodies and how other men view them and react to them simply based on what you've noticed as a DJ because you have X years of experience. Esp because what was true 10-15 years ago is rarely the same at the present time (the "type" of body that is "in style" changes constantly anyway and everyone likes something different). I am not trying to skinny shame anyone here since I've been skinny shamed my entire life. I'm pushing 30 and have never grown out of a size 0... I gained and been having to lose 20 lbs recently because of some outside issues but that is another story.

    I know it is slightly off topic, but at the same time I felt it was relevant especially because I was just shocked at how off based his advice to Audrey seemed to be.

    and yes, I admit that was a blatant rant and I am not really trying to pass it off as something else. lol

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    ^in his defense, I have made quite a stink in this thread about wanting to look natural-- but 5 pages of posts later, what I want is something in-between natural and fake. I'm definitely not going to go with a C, with all the time and pain and money I'm investing in this I don't want my clients to not notice that I'm getting a BA, but I didn't end up showing my PS the pictures he's quoting, I showed him slightly smaller breasts.

    However I agree with you 100%, bigger boobs = easier, bigger money. You can make bank as a flat-chested girl, I've been doing it for five years, but it requires a lot more effort than just walking up to a table with big boobs does and I'm burned out on talking to people. And there are a lot of customers that come to strip clubs to see the stereotypical hot girl, with big boobs and blonde hair. I've spent so much of my time as a stripper being fixated on being skinny, but I've met so many top-earners who are definitely on the voluptuous side. But I also have clients who are obsessed with the fact that I'm on the skinny side and have natural boobs, I have seen a few customers come into London clubs and tell the host that they want girls sent to them but they have to natural.

    At the end of the day the most important thing is your hustle and how you approach customers! I don't think either one is a definite money maker.

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    Default Re: need some advice on implants... increasing size?

    I've seen small tits bank but everything else is usually in proportion. Also they usually have killer faces.
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    Bacardi, this idea that men don't know what natural breasts look like, versus the larger implants, is a massive underestimation of by far most men's ability to judge these things. I've seen plenty of drunk horny idiots in the clubs over the years who didn't have a clue, of course--and wouldn't have cared anyway. Doesn't make it universal.

    As far as bias. By far the prevailing bias I have seen on SW for the last 10 years has been in favor of BAs, not against them. So if a very few people maintain a position that most BAs are unnecessary or overrated, why the outrage?


    Doesn't mean Audrey wanted or needed to hear that none of those pictures looked natural. And this is a stripper support forum, which takes precedence over any other factors. So I am out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi14 View Post
    Yeah, I've never stripped...
    Though not without pointing out that a non-industry member who has never stripped has no more business coming off from any sort of assumed preferential position here--due to being female--than an industry veteran of 15 years.

    Audrey will do whatever she wants regardless of what I think or post, or any other man for that matter--which is as it should be. She will look fabulous and will rule her world--of that I have no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    ^in his defense, I have made quite a stink in this thread about wanting to look natural-- but 5 pages of posts later, what I want is something in-between natural and fake. I'm definitely not going to go with a C, with all the time and pain and money I'm investing in this I don't want my clients to not notice that I'm getting a BA, but I didn't end up showing my PS the pictures he's quoting, I showed him slightly smaller breasts.

    However I agree with you 100%, bigger boobs = easier, bigger money. You can make bank as a flat-chested girl, I've been doing it for five years, but it requires a lot more effort than just walking up to a table with big boobs does and I'm burned out on talking to people. And there are a lot of customers that come to strip clubs to see the stereotypical hot girl, with big boobs and blonde hair. I've spent so much of my time as a stripper being fixated on being skinny, but I've met so many top-earners who are definitely on the voluptuous side. But I also have clients who are obsessed with the fact that I'm on the skinny side and have natural boobs, I have seen a few customers come into London clubs and tell the host that they want girls sent to them but they have to natural.

    At the end of the day the most important thing is your hustle and how you approach customers! I don't think either one is a definite money maker.
    I completely agree and I get why you did emphasize natural so much. I just think I have a better idea of the thought process when girls say they want "natural" implants versus what guys think. Of course no one would be having this discussion if all implants looked exactly like natural boobs, but once we've gotten this deep into the decision to have surgery, I think we are very aware of what is possible with surgery and what is not. That is the issue that I have with his comments. He seems to take the "natural" thing very strictly/literally, and while I like to think he is genuinely trying to help, sometimes I just don't understand the need to frequently point out the fact that he doesn't think any implants really look natural and he basically dislikes 99% of all BAs. Most of us know how he feels about that, which is fine, but it gets to the point where I feel like, ok man, we know you think all our tits look fakie fake and we were better off with our small naturals. lol We get it.

    From what I gather from years of reading and researching this stuff (and going through it myself), it seems like a lot of us want noticeably bigger boobs that still "sit" like smaller naturals. We just don't want them to be super obvious, and want it to be questionable whether or not we had implants. Obviously if someone wants no one to ever ever ever question the authenticity of their breasts, then by all means stay as small as possible, but that's not what most of us are going to shell out thousands of dollars for. If you post pictures of what you like, and Djoser doesn't think they look completely natural, well that's fine but that's what you want, and if your surgeon gives you that and you're happy then who cares how we define "natural".

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Bacardi, this idea that men don't know what natural breasts look like, versus the larger implants, is a massive underestimation of by far most men's ability to judge these things. I've seen plenty of drunk horny idiots in the clubs over the years who didn't have a clue, of course--and wouldn't have cared anyway. Doesn't make it universal.

    As far as bias. By far the prevailing bias I have seen on SW for the last 10 years has been in favor of BAs, not against them. So if a very few people maintain a position that most BAs are unnecessary or overrated, why the outrage?


    Doesn't mean Audrey wanted or needed to hear that none of those pictures looked natural. And this is a stripper support forum, which takes precedence over any other factors. So I am out of it.



    Though not without pointing out that a non-industry member who has never stripped has no more business coming off from any sort of assumed preferential position here--due to being female--than an industry veteran of 15 years.

    Audrey will do whatever she wants regardless of what I think or post, or any other man for that matter--which is as it should be. She will look fabulous and will rule her world--of that I have no doubt.
    I'm not massively underestimating men's ability to judge, I'm really careful in my posts not to use absolute terms like "all guys, every time, never" etc. What I said was that many guys don't as carefully examine or critique BAs like you do since they're not in the business. Do they have 'real v fake' debates with their friends, obviously. Then I said that if they are very well done implants, lots of guys won't know FOR SURE if they're fake... I didn't say they can't ever tell the difference. There is just a question in their mind about it.

    Also, I don't appreciate you trying to undermine my knowledge on the topic of implants and actually living with breasts on my body just because you work in a club and you assume I'm a non-industry member. If you take that term literally, that is just not accurate since all I've said was that I have never DANCED.

    I also don't think you're realizing how this subject has less to do with the industry and more to do with having boobs. I know more about that than you do.

    I always defer to the veterans on topics I don't know much about, like hustle hut, auditions, club politics, etc. This is body business, and you don't have a leg up on every discussion just because they're in a stripper forum and you work in a club.

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    I was going to stay out of it completely--and I do hate it when people say they are done but come BACK anyway lol.

    But I hear you on all counts, I see exactly where you are coming from, even if we disagree about some things. And I had to laugh at this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi14 View Post
    ...but it gets to the point where I feel like, ok man, we know you think all our tits look fakie fake and we were better off with our small naturals. lol We get it.



    I see all the many 'pro' comments so throw in the 'con's sometimes. But I can understand how you had the reaction you did.

    Also, of course you know far more than I ever will about what it's like to have implants. Pretending otherwise would be absurd.

    Though I have heard a lot of guys get implants in the pectoral and calf muscles! They obviously try not to let people know about it, either. I suppose I might be a great candidate for one calf implant as I favor one leg after an old motorcycle accident--that foot doesn't work quite right--the left calf is smaller as a result. If I were to come back in another life as a dancer, I'd probably get it done. But anyway we are way the fuck off topic again now, sorry to all for that...
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    Default Re: need some advice on implants... increasing size?

    Imo, natural looking implants have a lot to do with good skin elasticity and doctor's skill of course. I've seen girls who have gone up one cup size and look fake. I've seen an A cup go some where in the D range size and came out looking like big naturals. I would try to find pics of girls with your stats,(height and weight) body frame, with the boobs you like.

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    My surgery is a week and a few days away! I'm so excited. Although I'm not sure what I'm more excited about at this point, taking the time off or getting my boobs done.... burn out does not even begin to describe how I feel right now, I haven't had a day off in over two weeks now. I have to see a minimum of 3 clients a day every single day up until the surgery to get my boobs done and move into a new place. I just look at pictures of big boobs and the flat I'm in the process of signing a lease on right before an appointment and afterward... and think about both during. I was thinking it would be really boring and hard not to work while I was recovering? Nothing sounds better. I think I'm actually going to push it to 6 weeks for escorting as well as stripping (was planning on going back to stripping 6-7 weeks after and escorting 4 originally) just because I have never felt burned out the way I do right now, I am fucking exhausted and not in good shape. Time off, a new place, and my boobs has ended up costing me a little over $20,000, it's insane... I don't know what I was thinking scheduling them at the same time. Luckily the guy (well one of them) I'm seeing right now has offered to help move all my shit into storage and then move it into my new place since I told him I can't lift anything after the surgery.

    Some of my clients are changing their tune and getting more excited.... I have two clients that are trying to outbid each other to be the first ones to try out my new boobs when I come back (although the first person to try them out will be the guy I just started dating not a client!) and one of my clients posted in a thread about me on a 'punting' website that I'm getting my boobs done and the response was positive which made me feel a bit better. I had the MOST annoying client this week who asked me why I was taking time off and when I told him I was getting my boobs done he went on for about 10 minutes about how stupid that was and how ridiculous I was being and I shouldn't change, I don't think I've ever been so annoyed with a client before! I told him to fuck off and that it was none of his business what I decide to do with my body, I seriously don't understand the entitlement some of these men have!
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    ^^^^ I think it is kinda like asking a man does my butt look big in these jeans - Is there really a correct response that a man can give regarding BA's ?? If he agrees he is saying you could use an improvement - if he says you shouldn't do it you are fine as you are then he is telling you what to do with your body - do what feels right for you - for any client you lose their is a whole new pool of clients who will greet you with open arms

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    Some of my clients are changing their tune and getting more excited.... I have two clients that are trying to outbid each other to be the first ones to try out my new boobs when I come back (although the first person to try them out will be the guy I just started dating not a client!) and one of my clients posted in a thread about me on a 'punting' website that I'm getting my boobs done and the response was positive which made me feel a bit better.
    for any client you lose their is a whole new pool of clients who will greet you with open arms
    I have to concur with NikkiFox on this one. As long as the resulting cup size remains in the first half of the alphabet, any customers lost because of a BA will be replaced many times over with new customers who prefer bigger boobs !!!

    Granted that once you start talking about 'Circus Boobs', different rules apply. There's a high probability that lots of customers will be put off by 'mammoth mammaries'. However, they will be partially replaced by new fetish customers ... who are fewer in number, but who are willing to spend huge amounts of money. But this won't be an issue until you start measuring implant cc's in thousands not hundreds.

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    Another questions for you ladies... at what point can I start buying lingerie? A few weeks after the surgery or do I need to wait longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    Another questions for you ladies... at what point can I start buying lingerie? A few weeks after the surgery or do I need to wait longer?
    cheap bras like vs you can buy within weeks after surgery because they are so stretchy and basic that you most likely won't change sizes. i would wait 6 months to buy bras that are better structured like la perla, elle macpherson, agent provocateur. youll need to get some well fitting supportive bras for exercise etc but your size, shape, and needs will change over 6 months-2 yrs so just get used to monthly bra shopping and dont get more than 1 at a time.

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    ^^^ depends on a number of factors ... how big the implants were, implant profile ( high profile will require more skin stretching time ), how much initial swelling was present, type of implant placement, drop and fluff rate, etc. The 4 week point is generally pretty safe in regard to new boobs being 'somewhat close' to their final size ... close enough to risk buying some reasonably affordable 'dep't store' bras etc.

    But I agree with Charlotte that, where expensive / custom made stuff is concerned, I wouldn't think about investing money any earlier than 3 months at the very least. In my own case, I didn't wait and bought several J cup bras about 4 weeks after my last re-do. But by the 3 month point I actually needed a K cup, and by the 6 month point I needed an M cup ! Thus I spent well over $1000 on custom bras that I couldn't actually wear for very long.



    ^^^ However, even though I couldn't continue to wear them for very long, those undersized bras did come in handy for photo shoots, so not a total loss !!!
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    My plan was to order stuff from Yandy at the 3 week/4 week mark and buy a few cheap ones here, I just need to have stuff to wear when I go back to work! Dunno what I'm gonna do about gowns though, will have to just buy a cheap one I guess.

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    ^^^ keep in mind that gowns can be 'altered' ... where bras cannot.

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    ^I think I have one gown I can get away with wearing, but no bras! I'll probably just spend a hundred or so on cheap stuff from Yandy.

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    Have less than a week left with my little boobies! Gonna miss em!

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    ^^^ doubtful that you will 'miss' your B cups. More likely you'll regret not going for a BA sooner !!!

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    The gowns you already have might still fit after surgery. I wouldn't be surprised if some looked even better! Kamala gowns were designed with implants in mind.

    Also, I feel you on the savings hit because I planned my BA right before a vacation and a move. Not to mention it was just two months after tax season. Rationally I know it was worth it to get it all over now with so I could reap the benefits of my new boobs during the busy season this year, but it's hard to look at my savings! It looks like my choice will pay off in the long run though, and I bet yours will too.

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    Rationally I know it was worth it to get it all over now with so I could reap the benefits of my new boobs during the busy season this year, but it's hard to look at my savings! It looks like my choice will pay off in the long run though, and I bet yours will too
    Truthfully, after seeing literally hundreds of girls involved in our 'business' get BA's, I can't think of a single case where their earnings didn't grow right along with their cup size. And beyond that, the more their cup size grew, the more their earnings grew as well !!!

    Also, if working in a seasonal market, it obviously makes a ton of sense to 'lose' the time / earnings involved in getting / recovering from the BA at the point in the season where earnings potential is likely to be at its lowest point.

    In terms of savings account balances, think of it as 'borrowing' money to make a capital investment which will increase future earnings ... thus 'pay for itself' rather quickly. However, in point of fact, you're not incurring any actual new debt ... just reducing cash reserves.

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