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    Girl does some porn. Enters college. Some classmates see some of her scenes. The whole school soon finds out.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/17/duke...financial_aid/

    An ironic and unfortunate twist has developed in the life of Miriam Weeks, the Duke University student better known as porn star Belle Knox: Due to her illustrious porn career, which Weeks undertook to pay her tuition at Duke, she will no longer qualify for financial aid.


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    She didn't get Financial Aid though ? Hence, the reason she started doing porn...

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    She was getting a small amount of financial aid before, around 13k.
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    I'm sorry but I don't feel bad for her at all!

    She decided to do porn and that's cool. But if the school took away her financial aid, I highly doubt it was a reaction to her going full speed ahead advertising the fact that she went to Duke and does porn, if it was they would have just kicked her out. I don't know if it's her or the article but someone is trying to spin this as Duke taking her aid away because she's a porn star, when in fact it was just a simple question of numbers. Another student needed the aid more than she did. It happens all the time.

    Financial aid is for people that NEED it, she clearly does not as she is making plenty of money at her job, and according to her, she only works a few hours a week, so it's not exactly cutting into her study time. I went to school with kids who's parents could not afford to fly them back to the East coast for Christmas break and had to find someone to say with for three weeks. Those kids NEED financial aid. Why should the school be giving money to her that could be given to someone else who really needs it? You're middle class? Imagine how much worse it must be for someone who's in the lower class. Or, for the kids who don't have the guts to work in the sex industry but don't have parents to help them. One of my bffs has been out of contact with her crazy, abusive, alcoholic parents since she was 17 when they kicked her out. When she went to college they wouldn't give her any aid at all because they wouldn't view her as being financially independent until she was 23 and her parents refused to even fill out the FAFSA form because well, they are crazy, abusive, alcoholics (I've known her for 19 years). She worked full time for 5 years and went to community school because that was all she could afford until she turned 23 and started getting aid. I have more sympathy for her.

    If you don't want to go to a school with $47,000 in tuition fees, don't fucking go. Mine was $43,000. My best friend's best $60,000. Those are the average prices for private school now. There's always public, but yes, it doesn't look as fancy as Duke on a resume. Don't complain about private school prices and throw the porn angle in there to try and make it sound spicier.


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    I agree with Audrey, if anything the media attention has likely increased her earnings. If she is making bank she does not need the aid.
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    I'm sorry but I don't feel bad for her at all!
    In reality, the fact that this girl is a known porn actress has nothing whatso-f#@king-ever to do with her having college financial aid reduced or eliminated. Same thing would have happened if she won $100,000 at a casino.

    The bigger question, of course, will be how much FAFSA and IRS attention will be drawn to her 'finances' by this publicity. If she had previously 'lied' to FAFSA and/or the IRS, this could be just the beginning of her problems !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    In reality, the fact that this girl is a known porn actress has nothing whatso-f#@king-ever to do with her having college financial aid reduced or eliminated. Same thing would have happened if she won $100,000 at a casino.

    The bigger question, of course, will be how much FAFSA and IRS attention will be drawn to her 'finances' by this publicity. If she had previously 'lied' to FAFSA and/or the IRS, this could be just the beginning of her problems !!!

    yup.

    but 'Sales Rep gets her financial aid taken away for making too much money'.........

    isnt going to increase your local news ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    I really don't find her sexy at all, am I missing something?

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    ^ I think she is very 'girl next door' appealing. She has the kind of face that could withstand a ton of make-up, and I bet if she ditched the girl next door angle and opted for glam, she'd be a knockout!

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    ^I get she's a girl-next-door type, I just don't find her remotely sexy in any way, I dunno!

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    Right ^, like even if she does graduate from Duke, who's going to hire her?

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    like even if she does graduate from Duke, who's going to hire her
    It's not likely to be any major corporation, that's for sure !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielbriel View Post
    Right ^, like even if she does graduate from Duke, who's going to hire her?
    Sorry, still don't feel bad for her. She decided to go into the MOST visible of sex industry mediums, she could have become a stripper or an escort and worked under the radar for 4 years and it wouldn't have followed her... but that would require working more hours a week and probably wouldn't have given as quick a return. And she also decided to become the poster girl for "I'm smart and I'm a sex-worker." That's all fine and cool, but there are consequences!

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    I feel bad for her because:

    To start, I think it much really suck to be penalized for her efforts to be responsible. Last year she was responsible for some ~4,000 dollars each month in tuition payments. I got the impression from the article written about her weekend at Exotica in NJ that she doesn't have much, if any, to spare.

    So I don't think she is exactly making bank - there have been a ton of comments on the forum about how porn does not actually pay all that well. I have become particularly interested in her and her story. I follow her twitter and her news articles. She sells outfits and other items, that do not go for *that* much money. It just seems odd to me that she would hawk old panties for like, 50 dollars. Or sell signed pictures of herself wearing a collar for what? - like 10 or 20 dollars. I get the impression her novelty is wearing off. No actual data has been released about her income. Sometimes I wonder if she loses money by being so open about her situation...like how a stripper can "friend zone" herself to a potential customer, I feel like she has friend-zoned herself to the world. What guy wants to get off to some poor girl trying to put herself through school? Or maybe I'm totally off-base here, I don't know really.

    She wrote another article on xojane maybe a month ago where she said her financial aid was taken away because of her income. I believe it is the journalist in this article trying to make it sound like Duke is pushing her out (although I am sure there is some of that too).

    Granted, she does not have to go to Duke. We all make our choices and have to deal with it. Along those same lines though, why does someone need to go to school in California when they live on the East coast? Scholarship? Like there were no other schools within a drive-able distance? I have always thought 18 is too young for sex work, ESPECIALLY porn. You don't know anything about yourself at 18, what your goals are or who you are. I just feel like she has had to give up a lot to have even made it through her freshman year and things aren't going to be easy for her when she graduates.
    Sorry, but how is she being penalized for her efforts to be responsible?

    You don't get financial aid because you have a nice smile or pretty eyes, it's an entirely mathematical process. You send in your tax returns and fill out the FAFSA and they determine, with your income, how much you can afford to pay for college. They inform the university and then the university looks at how much money they have available, where you fall in the need scale with other students, and give it to you accordingly.

    I'm not saying that the students should get more money because they are from the East coast, I'm saying if your parents can't even afford a $300 plane ticket to bring you home for CHRISTMAS, then they are probably struggling to even get food on the table. There's many reasons students might choose to go to a university across the country. Maybe it has the best program for what they want to study. Maybe they got the best scholarship there. Maybe they want to go into sports and that was the only university that took them on their team. Maybe it was the best school that they got into. What difference does it make? They're not getting money because they're making a trek across the country, they're getting money because of their parents income, or theirs if they're over the age of 23.

    She's not being penalized at all, it's very simple, she's obviously making enough money that she no longer qualifies for the 13,000 that she did last year. And someone else needs that money more. Whatever her income is, it must be high enough to pay tuition. Because with all the publicity I really don't think Duke would take it away from her if they didn't have cause because she could probably sue in this case, or at least make a big stink in the press. Normally a student wouldn't but she's been so public about everything she could claim they were discriminating against her for working in the sex industry.

    She's also made the choice to live on campus which is adding a LOT to her tuition bills, so that's something she could make a sacrifice for and have lower bills... I only lived on campus my first year and it was too expensive after that. It was cheaper to stay with friends off campus and then I lived with my parents to avoid having to pay rent all together. Did it suck? Yeah, it fucking really sucked, I used to have to wake up at 5am to make it to an 8am class with LA traffic, it used to take me sometimes 2 hours to get home, I think I worked it out once and I actually spent more time driving to campus than being in class. Working on group projects was a nightmare having to figure out how to get there, I didn't take some classes I really wanted to because I had nowhere to hang out for 8 hours in-between. But I saved $40,000.

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    She lost her financial aid because her income is too high to qualify for it. Why the hell would sex industry money be exempt from that? This is no different than losing financial aid because you're making money in the music industry or as an actor.

    Why would anyone feel bad for her over this? Financial aid is supposed to help those with lower income get an education, not pay for college for wealthy people so they can spend their money on fun things.

    She's right about tuition being too high and that it sucks when your parents won't help. My parents could have easily paid for my college but didn't because I am female. I didn't qualify for any help because of their income though. That really hurt. It is an issue.

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who can afford to pay 62,000 in tuition out of their pocket though and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way. She's a shitty poster child for this cause. Bitching about paying a high bill you can afford while millions of others can't reeks of entitlement issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post


    She's right about tuition being too high
    I'm probably solitary in this thought, but I feel like ^that's the entire point she's trying to make. Tuition rates, even for public schools, are freaking atrocious in this day and age.

    OTOH, I'm fairly surprised to see people adamantly claiming that this girl would be able to shell out 62,000 a year, given it has been repetitively established here on SW that the porn industry really doesn't pay all that well anymore. Maybe I skimmed over the part of the article that stated she was also a high-end escort and a SC feature, or a sugar baby...or whatever it was that made a few of you jump to the conclusion that she's making a million dollars annually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyButter View Post
    I'm probably solitary in this thought, but I feel like ^that's the entire point she's trying to make. Tuition rates, even for public schools, are freaking atrocious in this day and age.

    OTOH, I'm fairly surprised to see people adamantly claiming that this girl would be able to shell out 62,000 a year, given it has been repetitively established here on SW that the porn industry really doesn't pay all that well anymore. Maybe I skimmed over the part of the article that stated she was also a high-end escort and a SC feature, or a sugar baby...or whatever it was that made a few of you jump to the conclusion that she's making a million dollars annually?
    She said she was going to shell out the 62,000 next year. "My bill for next year will be a staggering $62,000. And I will pay this all on my own"

    I assumed nothing and I jumped to no conclusions. She doesn't have to be making a million dollars a year to afford that. It does not take $938,000 a year for a college student to survive.

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    I feel sorry for anyone attending college because the prices are outrageous and many times the payoff isn't worth it. I know plenty of college graduates working shitty jobs that didn't require that degree and many times the salary doesn't even cover the loan payment.

    However, she made the choice to be outspoken about this. I won't judge her on that because there were times I was making money under the table dancing and attending college. Yes, I probably did take from someone else but I know many more people getting far more who deserved it less than me or others. I knew other strippers getting financial aid or illiterates getting aid when they shouldn't be in college or more. In my case a lot of it was scholarships. I did attend an expensive art college but also did a few things to save. For one I commuted the entire time. I did briefly attend another college and lived there but it got too expensive so I transferred. I also attended community college during the summer to save money on gen ed classes.

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    I don't think she chose to be outspoken? I think it was forced upon her and she is making the best of the situation.

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    I can applaud her hustle of purposely doing porn for all the media attention so she becomes a "known" porn star very quickly, and will continue to book work and/or become a contract star. I can respect that. But its annoying shes playing dumb. I don't know how no one else can see it.

    She, herself, even admitted many times that she googled the fuck out of how to become a pornstar long before she became one, so obviously she knew that everyone would find out and that her name would be in the media. And good for her, she used that to her advantage. $$$$$$ She planned to be self-employed (lawyer) after porn, so porn really doesn't affect her at all. But its kind of embarrassing that she plays dumb and plays the victim, when this was obviously meticulously planned by her before long before her first scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn2009 View Post
    So I don't think she is exactly making bank - there have been a ton of comments on the forum about how porn does not actually pay all that well.

    No actual data has been released about her income. Sometimes I wonder if she loses money by being so open about her situation

    Granted, she does not have to go to Duke. We all make our choices and have to deal with it. Along those same lines though, why does someone need to go to school in California when they live on the East coast? Scholarship? Like there were no other schools within a drive-able distance?
    Girls make about $1,200 for B/G scene, $700 for G/G scene, and $500 for solo. More if they do anal or DP, etc etc. So she is probably making $1,200-$1,500 scene, and she said she had already done 30ish scene that year SO FAR so thats a good 40k-45k SO FAR that year (I'm assuming this was filmed this year) for half the years work.

    ...That EXCLUDES toy lines, camming, feature dancing, and escorting money, but I don't think Belle Knox does any of those (yet). The problem with doing porn is that after about a year, once you've shot with all the companies, you will likely never shoot with any of them again unless you either change your look (hair color, implants, etc) or change your niche (G/G --> B/G --> B/G interracial, etc). So you either better decide to cam or escort, or retire. A few become contract stars and do other stuff on the side in their spare time (lots of spare time). Because you won't make enough money to survive otherwise. Belle, however, won't be affected by a porn past because she will retire and be a self-employed lawyer. And she definitely knew that going into porn.


    Actually, Spiegler released data about his girls, but they are some of the top in the industry. He says the ones on the lower end clear about 50k/year, and majority of his girls are clearing 100k/year or more (though I doubt its much more than that). Here's the articles, I'm too lazy to re-check my facts:

    Spiegler himself says (and I know girls who he has personally told this to), that you HAVE to use your pornstar platform to launch another business.


    And yes, Belle is dumb for choosing a $$$$ school. But you have to with law, kinda.

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    ^ But that rough estimate doesn't cover any of her out of pocket work related expenses: agency fees--which average 10-12 percent or more per scene in accordance to the linked article, then there's also blood tests which are required every 12 days if I'm not mistaken?

    Perhaps I'm completely misguided, but my take on her income is that it would be comparable to my LA club experience whereby, sure, I made 600 bucks a night...but after paying my house fee and going through the additional mandatory tip out system which included: the DJ, the bouncers, the bar, the waitresses, and both of my managers--I'd typically end up walking with under 400.

    So even if she was capable of footing the 45,000 bill, I don't think it's outlandishly unreasonable to assume that she may be in over her head when it comes to the full 62,000 (and annually increasing) fee.

    But all of this is deviating from the point she is attempting to use her media attention to make:: School tuition fees are too high, and our current collective attitude emphasizing the absolute importance of a college education is only adding fuel to the metaphorical fire.
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    ^it's NOT 62,000 though... that was my point earlier. It's 62,000 with living expenses. We all have living expenses, you can't complain about that. She's not only chosen to go to a very expensive school, but she's also chosen to live on campus in a plushy Duke dorm. I'm assuming it's 62,000 with food, rent, and books, my university always gave me the tuition and then expected expenses and I never spent anywhere near what they said. There are lots of things you can do to reduce those costs. You can rent your books instead of buy them. You can live off campus in a cheaper apartment (had many friends who stuffed 4 people in a shitty 2 bedroom) or with family. You can bring your lunch to school instead of eating in the expensive cafeterias.

    I don't know what she makes and I have no evidence to back up the fact that she can afford school, other than... the tax return she sent in with her FAFSA must have proved that she could. Duke doesn't get to determine how much aid she needs, another institution does that since the university would be biased. So no one is assuming anything. Her aid was taken away, therefore she must be making decent money, especially since they took ALL of it away. I have never heard of that happening to anyone except in 2009 when the recession caused half of my friends to have to drop out of school because their aid was cut in half if not in entirety.

    I agree that private school prices are insane, I just also agree with Marvel Girl that she's not really the best poster girl for the cause. And it just annoys me that last year when she was getting 13,000 in aid everything was fine and she was totally cool with going to a school with outrageous tuition, but now that she lost her money (which she lost because she can now afford it) suddenly everything is not fine.

    And I think she did make herself known, though I'm not 100% on that. I just remember all my friends posting an article that looked like it was written by her about being a porn star and going to Duke, and it annoyed the fuck out of me because they were all saying "wow what an interesting viewpoint! sex work can be empowering!" and were the same people who judged me for stripping.

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