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    But all of this is deviating from the point she is attempting to use her media attention to make:: School tuition fees are too high, and our current collective attitude emphasizing the absolute importance of a college education is only adding fuel to the metaphorical fire.
    ... which I suppose leads to the question of WHY US college tuition costs are as high as they are. The arguable answer is that anyone who chooses to attend college can in fact secure a gov't backed loan to cover the tuition ... with a highly 'variable' requirement that the borrowed tuition money actually be paid back in full. Thus this girl is crazy if she intends to spend $62,000 cash to pay her tuition, versus taking out the gov't backed loan, making monthly payments which won't exceed 10% of her 'disposable' income, and then having the remaining balance 'forgiven' after 10 or 20 years. College only 'costs' $62,000 if the student is actually required to (re)pay that $62,000 !

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    ^they might not have offered her loans though, that's the part of the problem-- you have to qualify for some type of aid for them to offer you loans or you have to go to the bank. And there's are different types of loans that are offered, some are private, some are federal, some start accumulating interest immediately, not all are like the ones you mentioned Melonie.

    When I applied to university I was accepted into a school that was a 5-year program for $50,000 a year and they wouldn't even give me loans to cover all of it! I just had to throw the acceptance letter in the trash as I'm not taking out a quarter of a million dollars for a BA.

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    she qualifies for loans, which she turned down. i dont feel bad for her about that.

    audrey, idk about duke but my friends who went to other ivys were required to live on campus their first year and some were required all 4 years.

    im pretty neutral on her, sometimes she raises some good points and other times she comes off like a total idiot but i really hated her dig at overpriced degrees in "underwater basket weaving," which is the "major" people use as an example of something not worth the time/money/respect that a "real" degree deserves. shes a womens studies major fyi. im a supporter of all majors but wow bitch, way to take a cheap jab at your own peers.

    also, why is she arguing that costs need to be lowered (through privitization of all colleges lol wut) so college is more accessible and then saying that we need to get rid of the college culture of everyone being pressured to go to college at age 18? maybe she should have gone to a cheaper college or waited till she turned 24 so she could qualify for more aid and have savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyButter View Post
    ^ But that rough estimate doesn't cover any of her out of pocket work related expenses: agency fees--which average 10-12 percent or more per scene in accordance to the linked article, then there's also blood tests which are required every 12 days if I'm not mistaken?

    Perhaps I'm completely misguided, but my take on her income is that it would be comparable to my LA club experience whereby, sure, I made 600 bucks a night...but after paying my house fee and going through the additional mandatory tip out system which included: the DJ, the bouncers, the bar, the waitresses, and both of my managers--I'd typically end up walking with under 400.

    So even if she was capable of footing the 45,000 bill, I don't think it's outlandishly unreasonable to assume that she may be in over her head when it comes to the full 62,000 (and annually increasing) fee.

    But all of this is deviating from the point she is attempting to use her media attention to make:: School tuition fees are too high, and our current collective attitude emphasizing the absolute importance of a college education is only adding fuel to the metaphorical fire.
    That is the girl's cut. The monetary amount I listed above, and the amount Spiegler gave. Their agents are paid separately, they don't owe their agent. But they do pay testing out of pocket. But everything else is provided (hair, makeup, wardrobe usually, etc), but if its not its tax deductable just like it is with a stripper.

    She attended Duke University. Its a private school, and almost an ivy league school. She definitely knew what she was getting into beforehand.


    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    ^they might not have offered her loans though,.
    She said, in that exact video if you watch it, she was offered loans and she turned them down. She didn't like the interest rates of a private loan. She apparently wasn't offered government loans, but we ALL know you can submit financial hardship documentation if you really want to, stating your circumstances for income have changed. And we all know hers haven't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Thus this girl is crazy if she intends to spend $62,000 cash to pay her tuition, versus taking out the gov't backed loan, making monthly payments which won't exceed 10% of her 'disposable' income, and then having the remaining balance 'forgiven' after 10 or 20 years. College only 'costs' $62,000 if the student is actually required to (re)pay that $62,000 !
    I think she's weird for saying she plans to pay that much this year. That means, aside from livable income and tax payments, she made like an extra 100k to spend on tuition and fees. So I guess she's doing pretty well for herself. I'm sure she's getting a lot of appearance fee money.


    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    And I think she did make herself known, though I'm not 100% on that. I just remember all my friends posting an article that looked like it was written by her about being a porn star and going to Duke, and it annoyed the fuck out of me because they were all saying "wow what an interesting viewpoint! sex work can be empowering!" and were the same people who judged me for stripping.
    She TOTALLY did!!! SHE leaked that she was a pornstar. She started coming out saying "I'm getting death threats because I'm a pornstar!!!" and a bunch of people asked for proof and she couldn't give any. So went to every media outlet humanly possible to complain about ~*being bullied*~, when really, she pretty much wasn't being bullied and wanted the media attention to skyrocket her porn career so she could make EVEN MORE money. Then she booked interviews and gave a speech on how she's ~*just doing porn to pay for school because its sooooooo expensive*~, but really this was totally her plan all along. She, herself, admitted she researched the hell out of how to be a pornstar and masterminded a safe plan into the industry long before she ever did porn.

    The general public is just fucking dumb. Seriously. I am appalled at how dumb the average person is on a daily basis. Do people's brains not work majority of the time? Can they not see things for how they really are? Do they enjoy being lied to? I can applaud Belle for her hustle though. Taking advantage of majority of the population, which just so happens to be dumb.

    I just don't get why its not obvious that she is doing this for publicity. Sometimes I am in shock at how gullible the general population is. She's smarter than to go to an expensive practically ivy leave school for UNDERGRADUATE if she did not have a plan in place (what she's doing right now) to pay for it in the first place. She is milking sympathy (and MONEY) by talking about college tuition prices. Now everyone wants to book her and give her appearance fees so she's actually not much of a victim of high college tuition costs because her job covers the costs.
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    Completely beside the point, but what?
    I'm aware that I'm not up to par with your level of preeminence, but now I'm terribly confused since a quick google search suggests that the standard rate is what's made before the agency takes it's cut.. Even the article you posted seems to allude to the idea that agency fees are deducted from the going rate of between 800-1500 per scene...and now that I've reread the article I realize I originally under- quoted the agency fees, which can average anywhere between 10 to 20 percent-yikes!

    Aside from that, I don't know. I understand what you guys are saying--I just still feel bad for her(a decision which apparently lumps me into the gullible, brainless masses category--but hey, I'm ok with that). I mean...for example, the whole issue with her attending Duke in the first place? Didn't we recently have a thread here on SW where it was determined that an education from an ivy league/prestigious school not only looks better, but almost guarantees higher pay in some degrees? So how can we shame her when we already know exactly why she went to Duke? I understand this is only her undergraduate degree, but in the grand scheme of things if she wants to appear solid on paper--especially since she is doing porn-- doesn't her education in it's entirety matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    The general public is just fucking dumb. Seriously. I am appalled at how dumb the average person is on a daily basis. Do people's brains not work majority of the time? Can they not see things for how they really are? Do they enjoy being lied to? I can applaud Belle for her hustle though. Taking advantage of majority of the population, which just so happens to be dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyButter View Post
    Completely beside the point, but what?
    I'm aware that I'm not up to par with your level of preeminence, but now I'm terribly confused since a quick google search suggests that the standard rate is what's made before the agency takes it's cut.. Even the article you posted seems to allude to the idea that agency fees are deducted from the going rate of between 800-1500 per scene...and now that I've reread the article I realize I originally under- quoted the agency fees, which can average anywhere between 10 to 20 percent-yikes!

    Aside from that, I don't know. I understand what you guys are saying--I just still feel bad for her(a decision which apparently lumps me into the gullible, brainless masses category--but hey, I'm ok with that). I mean...for example, the whole issue with her attending Duke in the first place? Didn't we recently have a thread here on SW where it was determined that an education from an ivy league/prestigious school not only looks better, but almost guarantees higher pay in some degrees? So how can we shame her when we already know exactly why she went to Duke? I understand this is only her undergraduate degree, but in the grand scheme of things if she wants to appear solid on paper--especially since she is doing porn-- doesn't her education in it's entirety matter?
    I don't think it makes you stupid Butter, I mean you have a right to feel however-- I guess I just don't understand your reasoning. It's been proven that she can afford private school, so what exactly is there to feel bad about?

    Yes, it is important to go to a private school if you want to go into certain careers, but you have to accept it as it is! And there are PLENTY of great public schools, UCLA is in the top 25 schools of the country! I have a friend who's probably spent like... $400,000 on tuition now for undergrad plus law school. She went to a private school for both. But I have NEVER heard her complain, ever, because she just accepts that it's what she had to pay to get under the radar of the major entertainment law firms she wants to work for when she graduates. She works hard and she's smart as fuck and will probably end up retiring before she's 40. I have another friend who's probably spent the same and isn't even done yet, he wants to go into surgery. Same thing. I don't know what she's studying, I feel like I've read she's studying law and women's studies, but if it's the latter there was really no reason at all for her to go to such an expensive school, and if it's the former well she'll make it back if she works hard (though I don't know how well being a former porn star is going to go over with her clients).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    TThe general public is just fucking dumb. Seriously. I am appalled at how dumb the average person is on a daily basis. Do people's brains not work majority of the time? Can they not see things for how they really are? Do they enjoy being lied to? I can applaud Belle for her hustle though. Taking advantage of majority of the population, which just so happens to be dumb.
    Couldn't agree more. I meet so many stupid people and all I can think is how they can survive being so stupid.

    Audrey, that is part of it too. I wanted to be in broadcasting so I decided to attend one of the schools known for broadcasting. I could have gone to a no name school but went to the more expensive private art college with the well known broadcasting departments. At this school the teachers actually work in the field and many grads get jobs. However, the downside is most grads don't (nature of broadcasting)and so they carry huge debts for the name school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyButter View Post
    Completely beside the point, but what?
    I'm aware that I'm not up to par with your level of preeminence, but now I'm terribly confused since a quick google search suggests that the standard rate is what's made before the agency takes it's cut.. Even the article you posted seems to allude to the idea that agency fees are deducted from the going rate of between 800-1500 per scene...and now that I've reread the article I realize I originally under- quoted the agency fees, which can average anywhere between 10 to 20 percent-yikes!

    Aside from that, I don't know. I understand what you guys are saying--I just still feel bad for her(a decision which apparently lumps me into the gullible, brainless masses category--but hey, I'm ok with that). I mean...for example, the whole issue with her attending Duke in the first place? Didn't we recently have a thread here on SW where it was determined that an education from an ivy league/prestigious school not only looks better, but almost guarantees higher pay in some degrees? So how can we shame her when we already know exactly why she went to Duke? I understand this is only her undergraduate degree, but in the grand scheme of things if she wants to appear solid on paper--especially since she is doing porn-- doesn't her education in it's entirety matter?
    Agencies take 10% usually, sometimes 15%. Only 2 of the licensed and bonded ones in LA where I live take 15%. I'm not sure who takes more than that, as I haven't heard of that. Maybe escort agencies of course, which two of the talent agencies are kind of cobranded with but don't want to admit.

    The reason why her undergrad school doesn't matter is that: a.) she already chose her major which is women's studies (as liberal arts as it gets) so I don't think she chose Duke on purpose to be super impressive, and b.) she said she already plans to attend law school to be a lawyer (and she decided this long before she entered undergrad) meaning she will have to attend law school after this. So it would somewhat matter where she goes to law school and not so much undergrad. Especially with a womens studies major TBH, its not like she is studying criminal forensics or something.

    Her school is also located on the other side of the US than where her job is. A plane ticket is probably $800, which she will need to purchase each and every time she shoots in LA. That isn't exactly smart. I have no idea how she is commuting right now TBH. Like, did she just drop out and not tell anyone? How is she shooting in LA if her school is on the east coast? If she wanted to go to a "good school" near her job, she could have opted for USC (which has similar prestige and similar costs minus the airfare) or UCLA (public and cheaper!) or something. Or Stanford, which is an ivy, or something even though that's 8 hours away in Northern California.

    I don't think you are stupid btw. I wasn't talking about people commenting on SW, I was talking about the stupid comments I've read on her interviews/articles and in real life. The ones going: "you know what, GOOD FOR HER!!! a porn star with a PLAN! wow, porn really can be used for good things like education! hopefully more girls take this route." When duuuuuh, every pornstar has attended school or ends up getting a side job... they just don't talk about it. So embarrassing. Yeah she can obviously pay for school.

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    She has started feature dancing. http://vimeo.com/89528896

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    I'm surprised that more girls aren't doing this for school aid; I know a bunch are doing dancing, private partying, etc. But this is a LOT more public.

    That being said, yeah, I'd do her in a flash, except for her 'exposure.' But I do like a bit more tit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I'm surprised that more girls aren't doing this for school aid; I know a bunch are doing dancing, private partying, etc. But this is a LOT more public.
    Well honestly, most pornstars are in school or are building side businesses. What surprised me a lot is that many of the ones in school don't even tweet about it (scared of stalkers? wanting to seem like a dumb slut to sell? idk?). That really surprised me.

    If they aren't doing either of those, then I guarantee you they are an escort making bank because the like 5 agencies that pornstar-escorts use have huge black books of spendy clientele from London bankers to Dubai oil money heirs to LA celebrities will to spend. So they don't even have to put ads up. Good $$$ and the cost-benefit factor of not being in school or building a different business is worth it IMO.


    But girls rushing into porn to pay for school or their career? Oh they will be flooding in now. "Hey I never thought of that! Having sex is socially acceptable now, so I will just be a pornstar and pay for my schooling like Belle! Good idea!" I think Sasha Grey kind of started this trend. She did a bunch of interviews about how she loved sex, and then a bunch of girls who also loved sex rushed into porn. That combined with the recession, as well as societal acceptance has created this flooded porn market where girls are now extremely lucky to get 1 year of full time work. And now with Belle doing this weird media attention thing, a bunch of girls are now going to flood porn and do the same thing.

    There's also girls like Jessie Andrews who did porn to create a brand to sell jewelry and now DJ. You need a name brand to do things in entertainment. More girls will follow in both their footsteps asap TBH. There is no way Jessie Andrews would have the career she does have (DJ) if she didn't do porn.

    But the thing is, soon enough, porn will pay SO LOW that there will almost be no profit at all. Like Spiegler said, it was hard not to make (as a female) 100k/year as a pornstar 10 years ago. Now, you are extremely lucky to barely clear that for ONE year, let alone multiple years. Not only that, but model-quality women who never would have even considered even getting topless 10 years ago, are now doing full on b/g porn. Things are really changing. I'm scared to see what it will be like in 5 years.

    In 5 years from now, I predict one of the two things happening (or both):
    a.) most "pornstars" who want to shoot won't get call backs to even shoot a scene because companies can afford to be extremely selective due to the flood,
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    b.) most pornstars will be lucky to make $500 per b/g scene or will do TFP essentially, but the pornstar won't care how much she makes because she is using her porn platform to elevate media exposure for other things (aka the Jessie Andrews route). If you think about it, porn is basically the only sector of media right now that is still capable of being tapped by the average girl. Getting major media exposure in any form is A LOT harder than it looks in the age of social media where amateur media has flooded the internet.

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    In 5 years from now, I predict one of the two things happening (or both):
    a.) most "pornstars" who want to shoot won't get call backs to even shoot a scene because companies can afford to be extremely selective due to the flood,
    and/or
    b.) most pornstars will be lucky to make $500 per b/g scene or will do TFP essentially, but the pornstar won't care how much she makes because she is using her porn platform to elevate media exposure for other things (aka the Jessie Andrews route). If you think about it, porn is basically the only sector of media right now that is still capable of being tapped by the average girl. Getting major media exposure in any form is A LOT harder than it looks in the age of social media where amateur media has flooded the internet.
    Actually, I'll buy into a hybrid variant of your plan A & B. ...

    - like the girl at the heart of this thread, future porn girls will use XXX video performances and mainstream media publicity to build a 'brand' ... with little or no consideration regarding the actual monetary earnings potential those XXX video performances themselves will provide.

    - with a 'brand' established, future porn girls will then direct their efforts toward where the 'real' money is ... escorting. Increasingly, this will take place in conjunction with club 'feature' bookings, which provide a basic platform to travel from city to city while being able to legally 'write off' travel and accommodation expenses. In reality, the club 'feature' bookings are secondary to 'private session' sales to 'fans' between feature shows.

    - with a 'brand' established, future porn girls will also increasingly direct their efforts toward paid webcam customers ... both as a cash producing 'filler', but also as a means to attract additional 'private session' customers.


    porn is basically the only sector of media right now that is still capable of being tapped by the average girl.
    As alluded to above, with the available 'talent' increasing relative to video producer demand being stagnant or declining, and with true HD starting to show every facial wrinkle and ass pimple, porn producers will indeed become more selective. This will make it virtually impossible in future years for girls who don't have 'model' chromosomes to enter mainstream porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Actually, I'll buy into a hybrid variant of your plan A & B. ...

    - like the girl at the heart of this thread, future porn girls will use XXX video performances and mainstream media publicity to build a 'brand' ... with little or no consideration regarding the actual monetary earnings potential those XXX video performances themselves will provide.

    - with a 'brand' established, future porn girls will then direct their efforts toward where the 'real' money is ... escorting. Increasingly, this will take place in conjunction with club 'feature' bookings, which provide a basic platform to travel from city to city while being able to legally 'write off' travel and accommodation expenses. In reality, the club 'feature' bookings are secondary to 'private session' sales to 'fans' between feature shows.

    - with a 'brand' established, future porn girls will also increasingly direct their efforts toward paid webcam customers ... both as a cash producing 'filler', but also as a means to attract additional 'private session' customers.




    As alluded to above, with the available 'talent' increasing relative to video producer demand being stagnant or declining, and with true HD starting to show every facial wrinkle and ass pimple, porn producers will indeed become more selective. This will make it virtually impossible in future years for girls who don't have 'model' chromosomes to enter mainstream porn.
    I'm pretty sure all of that is already happening though right now.

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    ^^^ arguably, some portion of the porn star 'features' have already headed in this direction. The difference for the future will be that it will become economically 'impossible' for a porn star to survive without cashing in on the income potential available from escorting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ arguably, some portion of the porn star 'features' have already headed in this direction. The difference for the future will be that it will become economically 'impossible' for a porn star to survive without cashing in on the income potential available from escorting.
    Curiously, I was reading not long ago an article in Salon in which that was being brought up -- that unlike what was the deal, say, 15 years ago, it is more frequent now to find commercial porn performers/adult mag models doing outright escorting as a matter of course. Oh, perhaps not the current top Vivid contract girl or the reigning Playmate of the Year, but girls in those leagues. And yes they brought up that a majority of porn performers can not really bank by shoots alone, anymore.

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    Doing my 'exit' interview as my loan payments begin now, what a lovely message to receive on the first page!

    *****, your estimated student loan balance is: $34,948
    You must repay the full amount of your federal student loans, even if you:

    Don't complete your program of study.
    Can't find employment after graduation.
    Aren't satisfied with or didn't receive the education or other services that you paid for with your federal student loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheo_D View Post
    Curiously, I was reading not long ago an article in Salon in which that was being brought up -- that unlike what was the deal, say, 15 years ago, it is more frequent now to find commercial porn performers/adult mag models doing outright escorting as a matter of course. Oh, perhaps not the current top Vivid contract girl or the reigning Playmate of the Year, but girls in those leagues. And yes they brought up that a majority of porn performers can not really bank by shoots alone, anymore.
    Yes, PMOY and contract stars escort all the time. Most of them do. They are just called "UTR girls" (under the radar girls), so there is absolutely nothing listed about them escorting. The girls who run the pornstar-escort agencies will text or email their blackbook clients that the girl is in town. They get serious business that way, and the client feels ~*special*~ because he is getting someone ~*UTR*~.

    As far as Playboy goes, I honestly think more Playboy girls escort than actual pornstars, and its always been that way. Playboy girls are always 100% UTR though, because Playboy seriously frowns on escorting and that would completely tarnish their career. Playboy pays really poorly. My friend who was a cybergirl told me they only paid her $300 for a major shoot/spread, and they wanted to get her to do a hosting/voiceover job for free.

    IMO, around 5-10% of pornstars escorted in the late 90s (perhaps more if they were UTR) since it wasn't socially acceptable then. Then in 2010 it was like 40%-50%... Now in 2014 I'd estimate it being 65-75%. This info isn't really hard to figure out if you just look at roster on the pornstar-escort websites, and also review boards for the UTR girls (but those threads are typically removed when some asshole posts or hints at girls).

    Also, there was a previous madam (who was busted) that said she could get almost any Playboy Playmate to escort for the right price. It was like 10k+/hour though, which makes sense. And that was like 5 years ago. Her name was Michelle Braun, and I believe she may have a book out as well.

    Porn performers don't bank with shoots even now. Maybe for one year. But they charge $1k-$2.3k per hour (through an agency, so the agency takes a big cut but still!) for escorting, and that makes up for it. Only like 1% of pornstars succeed with feature dancing to make a living. And oddly enough, I've only seen like 5% succeed with camming- they tend to give up or something. I don't blame them for that, since camming can be hard work and very exhausting. But a lot really do stick with escorting, even right now. Like I said, I'd estimate 65%-75% of pornstars escort now. I've been following the rosters of those sites for years, and also listening closely to what industry folk & other porn girls say when they don't think anyone is listening.

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    I'm not so sure I believe most Playmates escort. Certainly many do but many others go onto to have legit acting careers. Of course the question would be did they escort to get that career? Without saying names I once worked for a lingerie club that previously a PMOY worked at as well. This PMOY is one of the better well known ones. Anyway, I had been talking to someone and he told me said PMOY in fact do extras or escorting. Did she or was he lying? only they know.

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    There are legit actresses who escort. Women who definitely don't need the money that you would never imagine would do such a thing. Many of them still do because the money in it is astounding. It's all very hush, hush but it happens. Way more often than people think.

    I only know the very tip of that iceberg but what I saw stunned me. Introduction services, with big names. It's not even slightly difficult for me to believe that Playmates escort when I know plenty of successful actresses do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I'm not so sure I believe most Playmates escort. Certainly many do but many others go onto to have legit acting careers. Of course the question would be did they escort to get that career? Without saying names I once worked for a lingerie club that previously a PMOY worked at as well. This PMOY is one of the better well known ones. Anyway, I had been talking to someone and he told me said PMOY in fact do extras or escorting. Did she or was he lying? only they know.
    Well the madam for the escort agency with the largest Playboy roster, Michelle Braun, says otherwise lol. It would be extremely hard for a Playmate to have an acting career since most have very large implants. Even Michelle said they escort, and often end up marrying one of their clients (pro athletes, bankers, wealthy men in general, etc).


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    There are legit actresses who escort. Women who definitely don't need the money that you would never imagine would do such a thing. Many of them still do because the money in it is astounding. It's all very hush, hush but it happens. Way more often than people think.

    I only know the very tip of that iceberg but what I saw stunned me. Introduction services, with big names. It's not even slightly difficult for me to believe that Playmates escort when I know plenty of successful actresses do.
    Bingo! Yes, all levels of actresses escort. Yep. The more well-known she is, the higher she charges. Its profitable for anyone at any level, because the pay would rival their real world pay.

    Not only that, they escort to network. You can land a $$$ husband pretty easily, and can network with men who do the hiring in all sorts of sectors in entertainment. This could land you jobs, houses, basically unlimited plastic surgery (happened to someone I know who escorts), or even a husband. IMO, it would be foolish not to do something like that. The networking aspect might be really hard for people who have never lived in LA, to understand. But it definitely happens.

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    I guess I don't understand why a "name" actress/model would escort because it seems like it would be too dangerous in terms of being found out. I have heard lots of b actresses do but why would an A list actress risk her million dollar career to escort? I have heard stories of now A list actresses who did escort before becoming famous but afterwards just seems too much like a gamble. I don't understand escorting to find a husband either because it would seem to me that would bring up so many other issues, unless we are talking trophy wife situations.

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    Well, one reason to escort would be to make a huge amount of money for a cause you believe deeply in by doing something as simple as having sex with a clean, respectful, often attractive person. As far as being found out, it's not really an issue. How often have you heard of that happening? Never? That's right, never. So it's not much of a risk at that level.

    You might not do it but plenty of people would, especially if the person is someone they would enjoy having sex with for free.

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    I guess I don't understand why a "name" actress/model would escort because it seems like it would be too dangerous in terms of being found out. I have heard lots of b actresses do but why would an A list actress risk her million dollar career to escort? I have heard stories of now A list actresses who did escort before becoming famous but afterwards just seems too much like a gamble. I don't understand escorting to find a husband either because it would seem to me that would bring up so many other issues, unless we are talking trophy wife situations.
    They aren't at any risk. You're only at risk if you're putting up ads and seeing clients whom you know nothing about. Pornstars and actresses never ever do that. They work through elite mostly UTR agencies. The pornstar ones have websites, but a few even make you log in to see their roster (especially the UTR girls) with a huge deposit upfront just to be able to do that. Actress escort agencies don't even have websites or any paper trail at all. Hollywood escort agencies for the elite go completely off blackbooks and word of mouth. The actresses likely don't stop escorting, they just get more and more under the radar.

    Sex is the backbone of Hollywood anyway, and no one cares. In LA, people are even very open-minded if you do porn because there are so many pornstars here that it doesn't faze anyone. Its something you really can't understand unless you've lived here. Evvvvvvveryone on the west side is a gold digger or has a sugar daddy, I swear. So no one cares about escorting TBH. How LA is portrayed on TV and how it is IRL are two completely different things. Everyone IRL knows that everything in entertainment is a facade, a business, and playing off controversy in order to make more money... its not reality.

    Men don't care if you've been an escort before. Maybe insecure or power-hungry ones do, but that's not the type of man you would want to be involved with. They have no reason to care about your past. Who you previously had sex with before you met them is none of their business. That is such an irrelevant thing. So if you meet a well off man, why can't you leave your escort life behind and live off his money? Happens all the time.

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    I don't know, I just think it's strange that someone with a name would risk it. I suppose if they know they won't get caught, but I would be so terrified of being arrested if I had a name.

    Then again I know several people who work in Hollywood (no one famous, just people who work in the industry)and I hear a lot of stories of how many celebrity marriages are open (or in some cases are for publicity).

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