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    Default Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    Hi ladies!

    Well, as I plan to start my adult entertainment business and everything, (selling videos, escorting, charging for Skype), the value of the USD is falling due to the Fed's machinations, and Iran has recently decided not to accept the USD for oil, which will devalue the USD even more, would it make sense to sell my products and services for gold or silver? Like ask my customers to purchase a gold or silver bars or coins to turn over to me in exchange for whatever they're buying from me? This would also be better for customer privacy, as s/he wouldn't have anything on their credit or debit card indicating they bought AE stuff.

    I could just direct them to this site: http://www.apmex.com/

    It would be easy for me to exchange the gold and silver for currency when I need to pay my bills, as I can sell the gold and silver back to APMEX.

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    Wouldn't it be easier to just accept cash and buy gold or silver with your earnings?

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    At first I could do that, and accumulate a few ozs of gold and silver. Then I could start listing my prices in gold and silver, and offer to lease them the gold and silver needed to pay my fee for 0.25% per month. Like if they buy a service that costs 1 oz of gold (like a weekend or something), I could lease them the gold needed to pay me, and they pay me the 3.342% of the daily spot rate of gold in USD every day until the end of the 30 days.

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    I don't know, to me it sounds like you are over complicating things.

    Volatility in metals prices means that you will always have to adjust your rates. Since gold and silver prices are traded around the clock from Sunday afternoon through Friday afternoon, do you price your services based on the start time, end time, or some sort of blended rate? What about situations like last Thursday when flight 17 was shot down over the Ukraine and gold prices spiked instantly?

    Also, most Americans are innumerate, so figuring out your prices in fractional ounces of gold or multiple ounces of silver are bound to scare a lot of people off. Or you might run into people like me who have no problem parting with fiat currencies, but who like hanging on to real money (i.e. the stuff that Janet Yellen can't print)

    Of course if you want to do things online, your only choices are things that convert to fiat currencies ( credit cards, Paypal, .... whatever ) or bitcoin.

    Also the idea of turning everything into gold, then reselling gold to pay day-to-day expenses needs more thought as well. If gold happens to be soaring, you may be able to offset the spread between bod and ask prices, but right now that appears to be a good way to get eaten alive by transaction costs. ( looking at APMEX right now, they will buy a 1 ounce bar of gold from you for $1308 and sell the same bar for $1340 check/wire or $1370 by credit card. And that's before you add in shipping charges both ways. On a related side note, shipping charges plus paper trails are the reason I no longer buy from APMEX )

    In my opinion buying gold and silver is a good idea, but pricing your services in gold and silver is a bad idea.

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    There's also this site I could use to buy and sell gold and silver: https://www.bullionvault.com/

    Maybe I should just charge in a foreign currency, like AUD or CHF.

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    There's also this site I could use to buy and sell gold and silver: https://www.bullionvault.com/

    Maybe I should just charge in a foreign currency, like AUD or CHF.

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    Why wouldn't you consider Bitcoin? It has a huge value compared to cash, and has risen steadily if you look at it on a yearly basis. It's currently worth (at the time of posting) $589.03 per bitcoin. Just last year it started out at $13 per bitcoin...that growth rate is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDuckworth View Post
    Why wouldn't you consider Bitcoin? It has a huge value compared to cash, and has risen steadily if you look at it on a yearly basis. It's currently worth (at the time of posting) $589.03 per bitcoin. Just last year it started out at $13 per bitcoin...that growth rate is insane.
    Dont do that!!!! since we might be on a period of economic crysis, prices of bicoint might go down fast. stay calm and avoid bit coint a bit since there is crysis in UKRAine and countries made some disagreements with russia that will slow down economy bigger number of people will want take their bitcoint and it will make price even smaller. thats riskfull ...

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    and actually from 2013 november to know it changed by 1000 units from 2500 to 1500. thats a lot! lucky those who bough it in 2011 or earlier. now its not that valuable

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    money have only a value we give to them( in this case- economy). and gold will be always valuable in any case! we can make more money, but we cant make more gold. so yur idea is good! ) good luck

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    Sorry starcraft, but nobody knows what the price of bitcoin will do.

    The price spike and drop was from around $500 to $1000 USD due to an exchange known as Mt. Gox doing some shady business practices. They were the leader in BTC exchanges and they ended up stealing a bunch of BTC and running - they artificially placed the price up to $1k which caused the other exchanges to follow suit to make sure they were at the right exchange price. Once it turned out to be fraud the price crashed down to about $380, which has now steadily grown back up to $600.

    As long as you ignore the daily price and crashes, you'll see that your money will have steadily grown each year by a substantial amount. There have been plenty of other low buy - high sale investment oppurtunities, and they will continue. The price hasn't fluctuated over $200 in months and months. It's been very steady, and conflicts have very little to do with the price of BTC on a yearly basis, which is the only basis one should ever look at when making long term investments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDuckworth View Post
    Sorry starcraft, but nobody knows what the price of bitcoin will do.

    The price spike and drop was from around $500 to $1000 USD due to an exchange known as Mt. Gox doing some shady business practices. They were the leader in BTC exchanges and they ended up stealing a bunch of BTC and running - they artificially placed the price up to $1k which caused the other exchanges to follow suit to make sure they were at the right exchange price. Once it turned out to be fraud the price crashed down to about $380, which has now steadily grown back up to $600.

    As long as you ignore the daily price and crashes, you'll see that your money will have steadily grown each year by a substantial amount. There have been plenty of other low buy - high sale investment oppurtunities, and they will continue. The price hasn't fluctuated over $200 in months and months. It's been very steady, and conflicts have very little to do with the price of BTC on a yearly basis, which is the only basis one should ever look at when making long term investments.
    we sure dont know, but we all can be sure that gold will be valuable forever. as well as diamonds or oil. as i got the girl want have something valuable. USD didnt change its rate much for one year as well. but it can always change. By looking at long perspctives and main economy state atm all currencies will go down( bitcoints as well, in addition i bough some deuchcoints). But gold will deff get more and more expenssive. well, as soon as you can have that much gold somewhere. in addition, mostly rich people have part of their money in gold. i was adored in idea of bitcoint, but in her case gold is better

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    We can't be sure gold will be valuable forever, gold only has value for as long as it has use. Golds value was dropping until it turned out we needed it for electronics, as gold is one of the best conductors we have today. We may even find a better conductor, such as carbon nanotubes.

    Diamonds are not inherently valuable... in actuality they are valueless. Diamonds are all stockpiled in warehouses by a company known as DaBeers, which holds all of the diamonds in the world. Their value is known to be worthless, but commercials and marketing have been extremely successful in convincing people that diamonds are rare - even though they are nowhere close to rare.

    Oil is only valuable for as long as petrol based vehicles and machinery are in use. We are no doubt on the edge of a huge breakthrough in vehicle technology thanks to people like Elon Musk starting the Tesla motor company, and even sharing the technology with other auto manufacturers such as BMW to help us lose our dependance on oil.

    In her case, the best option for any portfolio - is to diversify. To diversify is to lessen your risk in any one currency. Therefore she should buy some gold, and some bitcoin, as well as litecoin and other commodities such as stocks and trades. Nobody should invest their entire holdings into a single type of currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDuckworth View Post
    Why wouldn't you consider Bitcoin? It has a huge value compared to cash, and has risen steadily if you look at it on a yearly basis. It's currently worth (at the time of posting) $589.03 per bitcoin. Just last year it started out at $13 per bitcoin...that growth rate is insane.
    If you look at the price of bitcoin on a yearly basis, it's going to have to go up by 67% just to be flat for 2014. While anything is possible, and while it is a fools game to predict day-to-day fluctuations of bitcoin, gold, corn, any given stock ...., I feel relatively confident that I know what the value of Bitcoin will be 100 years from now.

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    As a person who loves to buy stuff, if a retailer asked me to use an alternate currency, I wouldn't be able to say "next" fast enough. It sounds like an annoying hassle, and the sex industry is all about convenience and a "gimme now" attitude. What's your target customer base? Are you only going to be catering to international banking tycoons and Saudi sheiks?

    You could always try it and see if you can make it work, though.

    I wonder where Melonie is right now.

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    It isn't just the sex industry - any retail operation wants to eliminate friction in transactions. And if you have to educate customers on what crypto-currencies are, explain how to find, use and properly secure wallets, set up accounts to turn $ into Bitcoin, then you have lost them.

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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    if a retailer asked me to use an alternate currency, I wouldn't be able to say "next" fast enough. It sounds like an annoying hassle, and the sex industry is all about convenience and a "gimme now" attitude. What's your target customer base? Are you only going to be catering to international banking tycoons and Saudi sheiks?

    You could always try it and see if you can make it work, though.

    I wonder where Melonie is right now.
    It's actually worse than an 'alternate currency' scenario. Gold is a ( taxable ) commodity. Thus if a US customer 'purchased' a one ounce gold bar for price X ( from somewhere ), and then 'sold' it to you for price Y a day / week / year later as payment for services rendered, the transaction would have to be reported to the IRS by that customer - with the capital gain or loss ( from the price fluctuation ) accounted for versus other capital gains and losses ( with potential additional taxes due if Y was greater than X ).

    A virtually identical situation is also technically true for payments via BitCoin, which is considered to be a ( taxable ) equity i.e. shares of stock. And if the price you 'paid' to the customer for the gold bar / bitcoin stock 'shares was zero dollars, the customer would have even bigger tax reporting problems because this could constitute a 'barter' transaction with a whole 'nuther set of IRS reporting requirements for that transaction ... see . Thus transacting in precious metals or crypto-currencies is highly likely to launch both the customer and your 'business' to the top of the IRS audit priority list.

    Besides the customer's 'end', if you received a one ounce gold bar as payment, and later 'sold' it to APMEX or whoever, you would ( eventually ) have to make a similar transaction report on your tax return because APMEX is required to report the sale to the IRS ( via an annual broker's statement with 1099's for each transaction ). On your own business tax return, you would have to account for the gold price on the day you actually received the gold from the customer, the amount of money you actually paid for the gold bar ( i.e. zero ), the gold price on the day that APMEX 'bought' the gold bar from you, and the amount of money you actually received for the gold bar. You would then have to count the difference in price as a taxable short term capital gain or loss, while counting the price on the day you received the gold from the customer as ordinary or 'barter' income.

    Also, I'm not sure how that capital gain would 'interact' with your web income because, unless you are incorporated, the capital gain could be considered to be 'personal' income. Accounting wise, this could create a situation where your web 'business' continually operates at a huge loss ( all dollar denominated expenses but no offsetting dollar denominated business income ). If nothing else, this is guaranteed to get you audited at some point ... in addition to creating huge business accounting / tax filing nightmares.

    Also, did I mention that the IRS filing requirements for such transactions also require that the 'business' operator must obtain the real name, real address, and real SS# of every customer who pays via 'barter' or precious metal / equity 'sale', and that, as a side effect, every customer must be provided with the unincorporated camgirl's real name, real address, and real SS# which are listed on the 1099-B which the unincorporated camgirl must fill out and issue to the customer and the IRS for every separate non-cash based customer transaction ? This could be avoided if the business is incorporated under it's own name and own EIN ... but of course that involves additional money and additional 'paperwork'. And doing so then raises the question as to whether that business must jump through the regulatory 'hoops' to become a licensed and certified 'commodities broker' to trade in gold and silver, or a licensed and certified 'stock broker' to trade in BitCoin.

    In case this isn't already totally obvious, the US gov't has set things up such that attempts to use gold and silver as de-facto currencies are a practical impossibility under existing laws and IRS regulations. And recent rulings now place BitCoin in the same situation. Indeed, businesses which began transacting in BitCoin before the US court rulings declaring it to be 'stock shares' rather than a 'currency' may face huge after-the-fact 1099 compliance requirements.
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    Default Re: Interesting question: Could I charge my prices in gold?

    You could charge in gold payments. No ones stopping you. Problem is, the percentage of the population that owns physical gold is very very very small. Most people wouldn't even know how, and from whom to buy it. You'll also have to factor in premiums that are often paid to brokers for so many grams or ounces of gold. Speaking as a gold bullion investor myself, typically the premium on top of spot for a 1 oz gold American Eagle will cost you an additional $50. When it comes to purchasing less than a full ounce of gold, the premiums charged actually increases. I wouldn't worry about the reporting and tax implications on gold. The whole issue the government has with gold transactions is that the government can't follow the paper trail because there is no paper trail with gold.

    Just some extra advice, if you really want to do this, start familiarizing yourself with gold bullion so that you can tell what is real and what is fake.

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    ^^^ obviously, actually attempting to conduct transactions using physical shipment of precious metals would open up an even bigger Pandora's Box of problems. Does the girl agree to work 'on credit' before she actually receives delivery of the physical gold, and take the risk that the customer hasn't actually shipped anything ? Does the girl require customers to deliver physical gold to her before providing the product / service, thus driving away any customers expecting 'instant' gratification ? How does the girl handle customer claims that shipments have been 'lost' etc. ? How does the girl handle situations where she has actually been shipped gold plated tungsten ( which weighs virtually the same as pure gold ) that is only discovered weeks or months later when she attempts to 'resell' ?

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    Accept as many options for payment in whatever currency you can manage, and figure the fractional gains and losses associated with each transaction are what they are - because you came out ahead regardless, having exchanged only your time and labor for the transaction. Beyond that, don't overthink it.

    Once the Dollars, Euros, Pesos, Gold, Silver, BitCoins, chickens, or spaghetti noodles are in your possession, you can worry about how to best maximize their value for you in the currency of your choice.

    *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Accept as many options for payment in whatever currency you can manage, and figure the fractional gains and losses associated with each transaction are what they are - because you came out ahead regardless, having exchanged only your time and labor for the transaction. Beyond that, don't overthink it.

    Once the Dollars, Euros, Pesos, Gold, Silver, BitCoins, chickens, or spaghetti noodles are in your possession, you can worry about how to best maximize their value for you in the currency of your choice.

    *shrug*
    I look forward to the day I can pay a performer in spaghetti noodles!

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    Hi Melonie, while you are correct that selling goods or services for gold is taxable based on the price of gold at the time that the transaction takes place, you might want to look a bit closer into the 1099 reporting requirements on gold and silver sales.

    Part of the original Obamacare legislation required precious metals and coin dealers to 1099 any customers for customer sales of $600 or more, but that portion of the law was repealed. Which means that at present time, a lot of gold and silver sales do not require 1099's to be filed.

    The rules essentially state that if the gold you are selling is in the form of American Eagles, American Buffalos or Austrian Philharmonics, there are no 1099 reporting requirements for dealers.

    If the gold is in the form of bars, any combination of bars sold that total less than 1kg do not require a 1099 to be filed.

    If the gold is in the form of any coin other than Eagles, Buffalos, or Philharmonics, sales of less than 25 ounces do not require a 1099 to be filed.

    For silver the following sales do NOT trigger 1099 reporting requirements:

    Sale any quantity of American Eagles, Silver Philharmonics, or Canadian Maples (odd that gold Maples have a 25 ounce limit, but silver does not have a limit. But then again, we are talking law, not logic)

    Sale of any quantity of silver bars or bullion coins totaling 1,000 ounces or more.

    Sale of junk silver amounting to $1,000 face value or more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    It's actually worse than an 'alternate currency' scenario. Gold is a ( taxable ) commodity. Thus if a US customer 'purchased' a one ounce gold bar for price X ( from somewhere ), and then 'sold' it to you for price Y a day / week / year later as payment for services rendered, the transaction would have to be reported to the IRS by that customer - with the capital gain or loss ( from the price fluctuation ) accounted for versus other capital gains and losses ( with potential additional taxes due if Y was greater than X ).

    A virtually identical situation is also technically true for payments via BitCoin, which is considered to be a ( taxable ) equity i.e. shares of stock. And if the price you 'paid' to the customer for the gold bar / bitcoin stock 'shares was zero dollars, the customer would have even bigger tax reporting problems because this could constitute a 'barter' transaction with a whole 'nuther set of IRS reporting requirements for that transaction ... see . Thus transacting in precious metals or crypto-currencies is highly likely to launch both the customer and your 'business' to the top of the IRS audit priority list.

    Besides the customer's 'end', if you received a one ounce gold bar as payment, and later 'sold' it to APMEX or whoever, you would ( eventually ) have to make a similar transaction report on your tax return because APMEX is required to report the sale to the IRS ( via an annual broker's statement with 1099's for each transaction ). On your own business tax return, you would have to account for the gold price on the day you actually received the gold from the customer, the amount of money you actually paid for the gold bar ( i.e. zero ), the gold price on the day that APMEX 'bought' the gold bar from you, and the amount of money you actually received for the gold bar. You would then have to count the difference in price as a taxable short term capital gain or loss, while counting the price on the day you received the gold from the customer as ordinary or 'barter' income.

    Also, I'm not sure how that capital gain would 'interact' with your web income because, unless you are incorporated, the capital gain could be considered to be 'personal' income. Accounting wise, this could create a situation where your web 'business' continually operates at a huge loss ( all dollar denominated expenses but no offsetting dollar denominated business income ). If nothing else, this is guaranteed to get you audited at some point ... in addition to creating huge business accounting / tax filing nightmares.

    Also, did I mention that the IRS filing requirements for such transactions also require that the 'business' operator must obtain the real name, real address, and real SS# of every customer who pays via 'barter' or precious metal / equity 'sale', and that, as a side effect, every customer must be provided with the unincorporated camgirl's real name, real address, and real SS# which are listed on the 1099-B which the unincorporated camgirl must fill out and issue to the customer and the IRS for every separate non-cash based customer transaction ? This could be avoided if the business is incorporated under it's own name and own EIN ... but of course that involves additional money and additional 'paperwork'. And doing so then raises the question as to whether that business must jump through the regulatory 'hoops' to become a licensed and certified 'commodities broker' to trade in gold and silver, or a licensed and certified 'stock broker' to trade in BitCoin.

    In case this isn't already totally obvious, the US gov't has set things up such that attempts to use gold and silver as de-facto currencies are a practical impossibility under existing laws and IRS regulations. And recent rulings now place BitCoin in the same situation. Indeed, businesses which began transacting in BitCoin before the US court rulings declaring it to be 'stock shares' rather than a 'currency' may face huge after-the-fact 1099 compliance requirements.

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