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    Quick question for all of you that do Skype shows and cam independently...

    How do you go about verifying someone is of legal age prior to doing a Skype session with them? I could see a situation where this could be problematic since there is probably underage teenagers wanting to set up sessions and you would need to ensure that anyone you do a session with is of legal age.

    Also, what is the best payment methods that you have found...What has worked well for you.

    The same questions would apply to selling custom videos, etc.

    I'm looking to start doing Skype shows but I want to ensure that everything is on the up and up and is legal.

    Hope to hear from some of you.

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    the only way to protect yourself is to process payments via credit card. that's the best way to protect yourself from cb's as well (guys no matter their age using a stolen card or their wife/gf's card)

    there are quite a few options for accepting payments, the highest payout percentage sites are:

    1) my site livecammodelshows (see signature) at 80-85%
    2) paymyshow at 80%
    3) camgirlservices at 78%

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    Question Best method for going completely indie?

    I don't like paying a percentage to a 3rd party for just providing the payment method. I know how to generate traffic, but I don't know how to get the money to me.
    Google Wallet won't allow it. PayPal won't allow it. I'm in the United States, so I can't use Payoneer without great risks.
    Paxum seems interesting. Does anyone use it?
    Green Dot and MoneyPak seem far too inconvenient.
    I have shit credit, so I don't know about using CapitalOne360 until I get a big deposit for it.
    Any advice?

    I know that if I invest in a domain and hosting, I can pay for an e-Commerce thing to use for just checking out sessions, but that's $$$. Not a lot of cash, but cash.

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    I don't have an answer on the payment question, sorry. I'm pretty happy with 75%/80% from CamModelDirectory but I have a question for you. Do you have advice for generating traffic?
    Quote Originally Posted by funismymiddlename View Post
    a good hustle and raised prices make anything possible.

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    I have the same ?s as you guys, sorry couldn't contribute!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTabu View Post
    I don't like paying a percentage to a 3rd party for just providing the payment method. I know how to generate traffic, but I don't know how to get the money to me.
    Google Wallet won't allow it. PayPal won't allow it. I'm in the United States, so I can't use Payoneer without great risks.
    Paxum seems interesting. Does anyone use it?
    Green Dot and MoneyPak seem far too inconvenient.
    I have shit credit, so I don't know about using CapitalOne360 until I get a big deposit for it.
    Any advice?

    I know that if I invest in a domain and hosting, I can pay for an e-Commerce thing to use for just checking out sessions, but that's $$$. Not a lot of cash, but cash.
    Of course you don't want to pay. No one likes to. And yet everyone does, because it's a necessary part of doing business. If there was a perfect, risk-free, fee-free way to get paid why would anyone not be using it?

    The only 100% free way to transfer money, anywhere, is to physically hand cash to another person. All the other ways cost money in some way--even the ways that seem free (e.g. bank transfers) actually cost money but you don't see the costs because they're hidden in or covered by other things (your bank fees, the difference between the interest the bank earns off of your money vs the minuscule amount they give you, etc.) When you get paid at a vanilla job part of the company's profits (which could otherwise go to you) are going toward the person who does payroll. If you want to be protected from grave financial risk, if you want other people to do the work of setting up money transfers, coding the webpage that your customer will go to, developing the infrastructure involved in card processing, whatever the hell else they do, I don't even know since I don't have to know and that is fantastic... you have to share the wealth a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpink View Post
    I don't have an answer on the payment question, sorry. I'm pretty happy with 75%/80% from CamModelDirectory but I have a question for you. Do you have advice for generating traffic?
    It's really all about networking. For me, Tumblr is the best place to get my name around. I submit to blogs and get a lot of traffic to my Tumblr. I redirect that traffic to camming sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    Of course you don't want to pay. No one likes to. And yet everyone does, because it's a necessary part of doing business. If there was a perfect, risk-free, fee-free way to get paid why would anyone not be using it?

    The only 100% free way to transfer money, anywhere, is to physically hand cash to another person. All the other ways cost money in some way--even the ways that seem free (e.g. bank transfers) actually cost money but you don't see the costs because they're hidden in or covered by other things (your bank fees, the difference between the interest the bank earns off of your money vs the minuscule amount they give you, etc.) When you get paid at a vanilla job part of the company's profits (which could otherwise go to you) are going toward the person who does payroll. If you want to be protected from grave financial risk, if you want other people to do the work of setting up money transfers, coding the webpage that your customer will go to, developing the infrastructure involved in card processing, whatever the hell else they do, I don't even know since I don't have to know and that is fantastic... you have to share the wealth a bit.

    I wasn't really asking for a free way. I was mostly asking for a payment solution that takes a smaller fee without me having to answer to somebody such as the alternatives I mentioned. I should have clarified and been specific, but my point was that I don't feel like sending a fan sign and doing a skype interview or being prolific on a cam site that takes the bulk of my income. I'd rather find an alternative. I'm probably just going to do the ecommerce thing or find a loophole in PayPal or Google Wallet
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    People have already pointed out very legit payment processors. I use LCMS and CMD.

    No adult worker should use Paypal for adult transactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTabu View Post
    I don't like paying a percentage to a 3rd party for just providing the payment method.
    You can sign up for a credit card processor like CCBill that allows adult transactions. Adult transactions are considered high risk so Visa and Mastercard charge for that, you have to pay $500 upfront for both, so that is $1,000 before you can even take Visa or MC payments which I'm sure a good 80% of customers use one or the other. They also both charge a $500 annual fee. If you have the startup costs already for accepting Visa and MC then you should sign up and you won't have to worry about paying a 3rd party just for using their payment processor, but I know a big percentage of camirls don't have the funds on hand for that or have enough traffic from their personal website to make it worth it, so a lot of us sign up for somewhere like Loveshooks website or CamModelDirectory where they direct traffic for us and let us use their payment processor and we only have to give them 15-25% of our earnings.
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    At the end of the day you will likely make way more money if you are on indy sites like livecammodelshows or camgirlservices, even with the small percentage they take. The traffic you get is way worth it.

    There are not any loopholes in Paypal or Google Wallet to find! Paypal especially is bad news with freezing linked bank accounts (both yours and your customers), fining $500 for adult activity and permanently closing your account, keeping your $ and blocking you from ever signing up again. You may get away with it a couple times but there are so many of us here who had to learn the hard way.

    Even if you do get a legit adult processor you'll have a tough time getting enough shows to make it worth it without the traffic networking that indy sites provide.


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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    At the end of the day you will likely make way more money if you are on indy sites like livecammodelshows or camgirlservices, even with the small percentage they take. The traffic you get is way worth it.

    There are not any loopholes in Paypal or Google Wallet to find! Paypal especially is bad news with freezing linked bank accounts (both yours and your customers), fining $500 for adult activity and permanently closing your account, keeping your $ and blocking you from ever signing up again. You may get away with it a couple times but there are so many of us here who had to learn the hard way.

    Even if you do get a legit adult processor you'll have a tough time getting enough shows to make it worth it without the traffic networking that indy sites provide.
    And if people realized all the cool things you can't buy online after you are permanently banned... So many websites only take paypal. I wish someone had told me before my account was frozen for 6 months and I was permanently banned. -_-

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    I do shows on Skype via indy sites and they handle the payments for us. You can also go with processors like CCBill, Verotel, Zombaio, etc


    Quote Originally Posted by CheyenneLeigh View Post
    Quick question for all of you that do Skype shows and cam independently...

    How do you go about verifying someone is of legal age prior to doing a Skype session with them? I could see a situation where this could be problematic since there is probably underage teenagers wanting to set up sessions and you would need to ensure that anyone you do a session with is of legal age.

    Also, what is the best payment methods that you have found...What has worked well for you.

    The same questions would apply to selling custom videos, etc.

    I'm looking to start doing Skype shows but I want to ensure that everything is on the up and up and is legal.

    Hope to hear from some of you.

    Cheyenne

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    You're always going to be paying money to a third party, they don't process for free. Paxum is good but they do charge a fee for their services. CCBill, Zomabio and processors like them charge fees but they are worth it in my opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by MsTabu View Post
    I don't like paying a percentage to a 3rd party for just providing the payment method. I know how to generate traffic, but I don't know how to get the money to me.
    Google Wallet won't allow it. PayPal won't allow it. I'm in the United States, so I can't use Payoneer without great risks.
    Paxum seems interesting. Does anyone use it?
    Green Dot and MoneyPak seem far too inconvenient.
    I have shit credit, so I don't know about using CapitalOne360 until I get a big deposit for it.
    Any advice?

    I know that if I invest in a domain and hosting, I can pay for an e-Commerce thing to use for just checking out sessions, but that's $$$. Not a lot of cash, but cash.

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    Ladies, ladies! Relax! I appreciate the extra concern and thank you all for the warnings lol.
    I make enough traffic on my own. I was going to use CamModelDirectory, but I was asked to provide and do more than I felt like doing in order to have my account with them up and running.
    I'm going to just buy a domain with hosting and use it along with some sort of e-Commerce solution. That way, I can just embed my Tumblr to a subdomain so that my site is all in one. Maybe even embed Twitter into a subdomain for complete brand recognition and continuity! Haha
    That's only about $7 a month, plus around $12 a year to keep the site name.
    Much more feasible for my greedy ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You're always going to be paying money to a third party, they don't process for free. Paxum is good but they do charge a fee for their services. CCBill, Zomabio and processors like them charge fees but they are worth it in my opinion.
    If you are going to go completely indy, then site up your own website and payment processor.

    I cam on some Indy sites and the traffic that provide me is well worth the 25% of my earnings that I give them.

    I don't see any benefit of going completely independent. Unless you are wanting anonymity. But I actually find that you get that more with an indy site like CMD. There is more of a paper trail when you have your own site and payment processor. Also, please don't be an asshole and sign up for the indy sites and then accept amazon or paypal as a payment. You are stealing from the site. I just don't get why girls do this. Yes the extra 25% would be nice, but I adjust my prices to make up for that and the indy site provided me with the customer. It's only fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smaddy
    Also, please don't be an asshole and sign up for the indy sites and then accept amazon or paypal as a payment. You are stealing from the site. I just don't get why girls do this. Yes the extra 25% would be nice, but I adjust my prices to make up for that and the indy site provided me with the customer. It's only fair.
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    How do paypal find out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beauvoir View Post
    How do paypal find out?
    Customers submit chargebacks. I figured out a workaround, but I don't want to further put myself in the bad graces of everyone here. Haha

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    To anyone else who sees this and is curious as to how you can have your own site to go completely indy, please message me. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want to lose 15% to upwards of 70% (This is the type of percentage I was referring to btw. Not something like "2.5% + $1.50" types of payments to a 3rd party) for the sake of traffic and a payment solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space_cowgirl View Post
    People have already pointed out very legit payment processors. I use LCMS and CMD.

    No adult worker should use Paypal for adult transactions.
    This. People have been very helpful in this thread by suggesting options that are better and safer than PayPal. For the longest time, we've been trying to warn fellow models on here about PayPal, but some of them are so determined to use it despite our warnings. So I guess this is one of those "Live and learn" things where they're gonna have to learn the hard way...when they get themselves banned from PayPal (major bummer if you're an eBay shopper), and/or their PayPal money is taken away + they're fined, and/or their customers start calling them by their real names ("Oh, so your name is Brielle, huh?").
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    This. People have been very helpful in this thread by suggesting options that are better and safer than PayPal. For the longest time, we've been trying to warn fellow models on here about PayPal, but some of them are so determined to use it despite our warnings. So I guess this is one of those "Live and learn" things where they're gonna have to learn the hard way...when they get themselves banned from PayPal (major bummer if you're an eBay shopper), and/or their PayPal money is taken away + they're fined, and/or their customers start calling them by their real names ("Oh, so your name is Brielle, huh?").
    You guy's help was noted. I stated what I plan on doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTabu View Post
    I figured out a workaround, but I don't want to further put myself in the bad graces of everyone here. Haha
    We're not trying to give you a hard time. Just trying to look out for you so that you get the money you deserve, and not get fucked over. That's all. Wishing you all the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    We're not trying to give you a hard time. Just trying to look out for you so that you get the money you deserve, and not get fucked over. That's all. Wishing you all the best.
    Oh no offense taken, girl. I know you guys wouldn't be critical without it just being out of love and advice. I appreciate it.
    My workaround, by the way, is what I said I was going to do. Using an e-Commerce solution to process payment and withdrawing it to PayPal. So that PayPal isn't the payment processor. It's just the medium for transferring funds from the site directly to a bank account or PayPal card.

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    I agree 100 percent. I don't know what anyone thinks they should use a service and not pay. I have no issue with paying processing fees. I use CMD and girlsprivatecam and I am happy with 75 to 80 percent. I was explaining to the OP all processing companies charge a fee because they are doing work. I would NEVER use PP for anything adult, they do not play when it comes to adult work at all. It's a matter of respect.


    Quote Originally Posted by smaddy View Post
    If you are going to go completely indy, then site up your own website and payment processor.

    I cam on some Indy sites and the traffic that provide me is well worth the 25% of my earnings that I give them.

    I don't see any benefit of going completely independent. Unless you are wanting anonymity. But I actually find that you get that more with an indy site like CMD. There is more of a paper trail when you have your own site and payment processor. Also, please don't be an asshole and sign up for the indy sites and then accept amazon or paypal as a payment. You are stealing from the site. I just don't get why girls do this. Yes the extra 25% would be nice, but I adjust my prices to make up for that and the indy site provided me with the customer. It's only fair.

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