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    My mac is FULL to the brim, literally won't even open anything as it keeps saying scratch disk hard drive full grr. I've got a 10gb external drive to put a few things on right now but it's got me thinking about long term storage. I really have no idea what to look for or what I need so can anyone advise? I've only got 10 x 10 min clips on my mac and that was enough to fill it I have really bad upload doped so ideally something that doesn't need constant uploading/ downloading back and forth?
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    I'd recommend something like this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822178435

    It's USB 3.0, so it's both Mac and PC compatible, it's portable, and at 2TB of space, it would hold a ridiculous amount of clips. To give you a rough idea, if you're encoding your clips in average-quality 720p, it would hold about 250 hours worth. Seagate is known for the quality and reliability of their hard drives, so as long as you don't drop it on a tile floor, it should last for a VERY long time, and at $100, it's quite a good deal. I have plenty of storage space on my PC, but I have one of these drives myself that I use for backup, and it works flawlessly.

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    I use a Seagate for my windows 7 laptop. Must stop the dashboard from running at start up though, I thought my cam was faulty when it began freezing during filming but it was the desktop doing something by itself, so glad I figured out the connection! It doesn't replace previous downloads when you back-up afresh. I record using logitech software then add to windows movie maker to edit, the logitech files are huge so once backed-up I just deleted all the logitech files and that created a lot more space without having to delete my edited movies or pics. I don't use the cloud storage option.
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    Yeah one thing that would help is deleting all the raw footage. i only need the first edited version of my clips and everything else before that can go. it's all over the place at the moment though so looking like a HUGE task. Argh.

    Tiffany do you really think 2tb would be enough? My movies are coming out around 900mb each for approx 10 mins in HD. I still need to find a way to make them smaller, which i know would also help with storage issues. But my c4s guys seem to like the best quality so I'm reluctant to scrimp on it.
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    I would go for 4TB, I set windows movie maker to make HD720 (1280x720), for WMV 10 mins that's around 380MB, MP4 HD720 is around 250MB. I record in full HD so those files are really big.
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    Damn, that is a really high bitrate. Basically, unless you have a really pro-grade camera that records in higher than 1080p quality, that level of bitrate is likely excessive. I'll do the math real quick:

    (GB = Gigabytes, MB = Megabytes, KB = Kilobytes, mb = megabits, kb = kilobits)
    900MB * 1024 = 921,600KB. 921,600 / 10 / 60 = 1,536KB per second. 1,536 * 8 = 12,288kb per second, or (12,288/1,024) 12mbps.

    If your video resolution is 1080p, which is 1920x1080 (I'll assume it is for this example), you would likely be able to reduce your bitrate down to about 5mbps (5,120kbps, or about 42% of what it is now), with few people able to notice the difference in quality. By all means test it, because it is quite dependent on how "complex" your videos are (how many different colors, how much motion there is, etc. etc.), but I'm guessing 5mbps would be perfectly fine.

    Now on to storage options. Here is another good drive with 4TB of storage capacity: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822178354

    Idk how many clips you would want to store, but let's run the math on exactly what would fit on this 4TB HD, with both 12mbps and 5mbps quality. A 4TB drive should have about 3,725GB of usable space after overhead. Let's say we'll make sure to reserve 15% for free space, to not overcrowd the drive, so to speak. 3,725 * .85 = ~3,166GB for clips.

    I'll first run the math continuing to use the same quality as you do now:
    3,166GB * 1,024 = 3,241,984MB

    12mbps / 8 = 1.5MBps (1.5 Megabytes per second)
    3,241,984MB / 1.5 = ~2,161,322 seconds / 60 = ~36,022 minutes / 60 = ~600 hours of clips.

    Now I'll run the math again, lowering the quality to 5mbps:

    5mbps / 8 = 0.625MBps for video (0.625 Megabytes per second)

    3,241,984MB/0.625 = ~5,187,174 seconds / 60 = ~86,453 minutes / 60 = 1,440 hours of clips. I'm guessing that should last you a while . If you manage to fill that drive up, then it's time to start talking about a higher-end RAID array, but with that many clips made, you should have plenty of money to afford a VERY high-end one by then, and a 4k resolution camera too

    PS: I'm quite sleep-deprived at the moment, so by all means, double-check my math, but I'm pretty sure it's spot on.

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    I have a canon camcorder which actually seems to make smaller files (around 500mb) but my mac air and iphone make HUGE files! I have an intro and credits as well. Thank you so much for the help ladies, I'm going to purchase a 4tb drive tomorrow and work on reducing the bitrate x
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