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    If this is posted somewhere, I'm sorry! You can just point me to it then (:

    Anyway, I know if someone else is paying for the custy's dance, you need to check before doing more and more.
    However, when the customer is paying for his own dances, is it important to suggest/ask for another after every single song? When I do, I always get at the most three dances in a row before getting "I shouldn't spend more money." However, the few times I just go with it and check in every 4 or so songs, I end up making at least $100 of a guy, and he seems completely fine paying. I feel like checking in after every song breaks the fantasy, reminds him of his wallet, and leaves me making only $10-30.

    What do you girls suggest? Thanks!

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    It depends on the club and the customer.

    There are some clubs where security doesn't ever have your back or where you're on my own if the customer tries to rip you off. In those clubs, it's best to get some payment upfront and ensure the customer knows how much they're spending. I will also do this with drunk, foreign, or shady customers. I don't like working in clubs like this or dancing for customers like that since I also find that it limits their spending if they have to agree (and therefore think) about how much they're spending after each song.

    Upfront payment is also often a decent way of gauging how much money they have on them since you might get a peek at the contents of their wallet. If they pull out $20 and that's all they have, definitely check in. If they have a huge wad of cash, it's far less risky to let them stack dances since they actually have the money on hand to pay for them.

    At my current club, I don't get any payment upfront and generally let them rack up as many dances as they want. I know that security will help me out if they try anything, and in general the clientele there doesn't do that sort of thing. If I get an off feeling from someone (or they're drunk/foreign), I will check in after every song just so cover my ass. I'd rather lose out on a couple of dances than not get paid at all -- or deal with the hassle of getting security involved, which will inevitably waste a lot of my time.

    Sometimes I will check in every 5 songs, usually only with customers I've never interacted with before who seem like they might need it. It's hard to describe what about them makes me do it, but you will likely get very good at reading people the more you dance, and you'll get your own gut feelings that you'll want to follow.

    So, TLDR: Know your club and security (ie. if they will help you out) and there's nothing wrong with checking in with some customers and not others.

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    Everything that Shanna said is accurate (as usual!). In the future, you'll begin to develop a more concrete feeling for who needs to be asked and who doesn't. With me, some customers need to pay up front, some can be trusted to come to the ATM after discussing prices, and with the rest -- and these are the best ones -- money isn't even brought up until the very end, when they ask, "What do I owe you?" and are happy to pay whatever it is.

    It seems like your intuition is already on track. Just keep doing what you're doing. If you feel unsure, ask and be explicit.

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    Thank you so much, both of you! My intuition is definitely beginning to get better, and I know all but one of the bouncers would have my back if something were to happen, so I'll start flowing through dances as it feels right. Most of the clientele I'd do that with at my club are clearly trustworthy and happy to pay, but I'm beginning to get a feel for the ones I should ask per dance.
    Thanks again for the input and advice!

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    Also make sure you're asking for dances in a way that primes them to keep going. "You don't want me to stop now, do you?", "You're fun, let's keep going", or something along those lines, rather than "would you like another?" Never ask for dances in a way that they can say no.

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    ^Yes, always assume the sale if you're checking in! It also helps to be in an extra sexy position… say, kneeling with your face between his legs, or straddling him with your tits inches away from his face. Sometimes I'll use playful lines too, like 'good things come in pairs' for #2 (while playing with my boobs), 'let's go for the trifecta/hat trick' when starting #3, 'let's do lucky #7', etc.

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    IDK, sometimes it works so much better for me to not say anything and let them say when to stop cause like u said u always end up getting more out of them but it seems like some nights its great and others, I get guy after guy not wanting to pay and then the floor guys have to go after him and (at one club they got mad at me n told me they work hard to get their guys in there and they don't need me causing scenes). At the other club they don't complain but it causes doubt with the floor guys when it happens too much, even though I never ever lie about it, only once cause the guy was a dick n flipped out cause I wouldn't have sex w him for two dances did I lie about a man not paying, lbs. So, idk Ive started to ask at song two n then saying "ill let u tell me when" cause we always go over dance costing 30 per song first, so he can't complain at that.

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    its kind of like having them pay afterwards as opposed to paying before even once dance..i'm much more likely to get a tip if i wait til after but its a definite risk. you need to take it case by case, listen to your gut..sometimes i'll have them pay for the first dance upfront and take a gander at the money in their wallet so i know they have it

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    Luckily I have not had a customer try to not pay me yet (knock on wood) but I always check in after 3, with a simple "That was 3, do you want me to stop?" I phrase it like that because they're programmed to say "no". Then I go in increments of 3s. It seems to work; they stop me when they're running out of money and there's no dispute of me not telling them how many songs it had been.

    I wouldn't worry about breaking the fantasy as long as you use a cute line like shanna suggested, or if you're in a position that's making him drool and beg for you to keep going.
    "People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."

    "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

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    I ask after 1st and 2nd dance and sometimes 3rd and than I just tell them to tell me when to stop. I am really lucky because I know bouncers will back me up if a guy tries to avoid paying at the end or something so I dont have any problems with that

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    I always ask after the first dance and then tell them to let me know when to stop. If the guy wants to stop at 4 dances, I tell him I do 6 for $100 and I always get that $100. I also charge an extra $20 if they touch, so any money I lose with the 6 for 5 deal, I gain back by the end of the night. I have guys come back for my 6 for 5 deal pretty regularly, too.

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    Thanks so much, everyone! That was a huge help, and I've already been putting some of these techniques to use. Even in the dead of summer, I can see a difference in my earnings. Can't wait for fall because I know my hustle is only getting better thanks to all of you!

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    Do you have a VIP room? That's usually how I solve this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vackra View Post
    Do you have a VIP room? That's usually how I solve this.
    Agree here. Every club I've worked made sure the customer paid upfront for rooms or blocks of time; individual dances tho, 95% of the time I was on my own when it came to collecting payment.

    I would get the first dance upfront as a rule, as sm1 else suggested you can sm times get a peek at their funds at that time, then I would generally ask (& depending on my gut feelings, collect) abt every three songs. Tell them 'That's three/ tab's at $_____'

    I would rather risk a little future business by getting definite payment now, than risk a refusal of payment & the guy walks out happily after a bunch of free dances bc the club would rather kiss his ass than back me up.

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    The only time I can remember being screwed over using the "assume he'll pay" method was by a young, good-looking guy near the end of a shift. We had done ten dances, and he only had the money to pay for five. He said he was going to an ATM to get the rest of the money and never returned (of course). It seems like this demographic would be the most likely to screw you over financially - I'd be wary of young customers in general, unless they make it clear that money is no object (in which case you should upsell ASAP). Especially if you're working in a small club / dive where you don't have that intimidation factor to get someone to pay.

    It also ends up being your word against his for how many dances you've done - some guys will claim that you've scammed them (e.g. "we've only done three dances, not four!").

    I used to use this as an easy lead-in for upselling to VIP / CR. "Let's go play somewhere where we don't have to keep stopping..." The only downside to using this upsell method is that it makes regular dances seem lame by comparison; so if he doesn't want to upgrade to the CR, then he might stop getting regular dances after you go for the sale. If you give him a line and he doesn't bite or looks unsure, I'd add something like "or maybe we're comfortable staying here for now?" while nodding. You want to keep him in that zone where he isn't doing much logical thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    Agree here. Every club I've worked made sure the customer paid upfront for rooms or blocks of time; individual dances tho, 95% of the time I was on my own when it came to collecting payment.

    I would get the first dance upfront as a rule, as sm1 else suggested you can sm times get a peek at their funds at that time, then I would generally ask (& depending on my gut feelings, collect) abt every three songs. Tell them 'That's three/ tab's at $_____'

    I would rather risk a little future business by getting definite payment now, than risk a refusal of payment & the guy walks out happily after a bunch of free dances bc the club would rather kiss his ass than back me up.
    It's so weird to me that my experiences have been so vastly different. I've never stacked dances. I can't imagine just going straight into the next song. I feel like the customer would stop me? I don't know, I hate assuming so after every one, I ask. I try to end the dance sitting on them with my back turned, so I can lean back and look at them while I ask for a continuance. Though I would say 99% of my customers go one of two ways: One and done, or one then VIP.

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    We have a VIP and CR. The CR still runs dance-by-dance just at a higher cost than table dances and a little higher contact (actually, guys are forbidden to touch at all on the floor now because girls have been getting fined a mass amount for dirty table dancing). The VIP...I don't sell that. In my club, people generally only go in there expecting full service, and even if they don't, I really don't want to sit on those couches. It's actually a better deal for the dancer to do the CR, and most customers seem good with it because they think of price per dance rather than the total cost (which ends up higher than the VIP within 5 songs).

    What's been working out for me is doing one dance on the floor (it lets me glance at the wallet), and then upselling is easier, as you girls said. With that, I peak in their wallet, and I gauge how many dances I can stack, or I offer to let him know when every 3 songs pass or something like that. If he disagrees with the "block" dances, then he usually tells me how many he wants or if he wants to be told after each one. Haven't been ripped off yet.

    There was one guy that said I could take him anywhere in the club, and we wound up doing $500 of dances/talking plus a fat tip, and he didn't even blink an eye! He said price was no object when I started to go over it with him, and he actually paid in hundred dollar bills, haha. If the club wasn't closing, I think I could have gotten more from him guessing by his wallet, but maybe that was how he controlled spending. It was a wonderful experience, and I wish I had more customers like him where I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SexedUpCat2 View Post
    It was a wonderful experience, and I wish I had more customers like him where I am.
    I love customers like this, because then you can focus on actually entertaining them and ensuring they have a good time, rather than focusing on the sales aspect. I feel like this so rarely happens in clubs...which is sad! I wish customers were more upfront about what they're looking to spend after they find the woman they'd like to spend it on. Then you can focus your energy on figuring out how to give them the best experience for their money. It's hard to be fully present when you're constantly thinking of what your next sales line should be, or whether you should try to upsell now or after the next dance, or whether you've already wasted too much time doing regular dances, etc.

    This industry has become so focused on "yeah, but what do I get for $xxx?" that the customer never realizes how much better the experience would be if they were to pick out a professional entertainer, pay her whatever they're willing to pay, and let her do her job. It's just a different industry these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vackra View Post
    It's so weird to me that my experiences have been so vastly different. I've never stacked dances. I can't imagine just going straight into the next song. I feel like the customer would stop me? I don't know, I hate assuming so after every one, I ask. I try to end the dance sitting on them with my back turned, so I can lean back and look at them while I ask for a continuance. Though I would say 99% of my customers go one of two ways: One and done, or one then VIP.
    My mistake -- to clarify, I meant asking every song & then collecting abt every three. Nvr actually stacked, if by stacking you mean just one song after another after another w/o asking whether they want to continue? -- I always thought of 'stacking' as trying to collect every few songs or after a string of songs, rather than just dancing for several songs in a row then trying the 'OK hon that's X number of songs, you owe me $____!'

    But I have had guys say 'sure keep going' & then at the end of that magic third song, try (& sm times succeed) to balk at paying me. So after the one time I got ripped off after asking every song, getting an enthusiastic YES! & trying unsuccessfully to collect after five, I just allow much shorter intervals between payments.

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