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    What is it with these new people signing up here and being complete dicks to everyone? Is it all the same person? ....sheeeiiiiiit.
    I'm secretly starting to think the dudes found us and decided to try to troll us into being 'nicer' to them by giving freebies and never banning or talking back. But that's just my conspiracy theory...



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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    Amusing. I can tell by this post that you haven't read a lot of sales books.
    I wrote the book and got you to buy it, what does that say about my sales skills? LOL, it's a joke.

    My point is that easy sales are just that, easy. Anyone can do that. It's the difficult sales that make difference. Especially for a cam model who, let's face it, after the newness wears off and the years take their toll, the easy sales are harder to come by.

    I can sell sand to an Arab and snow to an Eskimo. That's the attitude that leads to success. Banning is just a way of giving up and never learning the skills it takes to make a tough sale.

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    I ban all the time and get off on doing it.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyJackBitch View Post

    I can sell sand to an Arab and snow to an Eskimo. .

    If they're buying sand and snow clearly your not selling something intangible...and as cam models we are. We sell fantasies. If your making your own for free when you just sit there in free chat for months on end without spending a dime( and we signal you out plenty so there's none of that try to convert BS) or you "just want to to get to know the real us", then you are not a potential customer; you are a nuisance at best and a harasser at worst. I don't need either.

    My attention is reserved for those who earn it.

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    lol at "as the years take their toll". for most chicas earning rise as they get older, rather than decline. another thing that occurs as chicas gain experience is that they learn to discern the 'difficult sales' from the total losers, and most busy chicas are too occupied with their great clients to bother with the difficult ones. There are only so many hours in the day, I'd rather spend 'em earning off clients I actually enjoy.

    @BillyJack, while I agree with some of what you write your delivery is insulting, and I'll eat my dildo if you're actually a cam chica rather than a cam room troll or affiliate. still, as I have no proof I'm not going to ban you-yet. As I conveyed to privately in your infraction earlier today, if you post one more insulting comment you will be removed from the site, that sort of behavior isn't appreciated here, or tolerated.


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    I'll eat my dildo if you're actually a cam chica rather than a cam room troll or affiliate.
    lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyJackBitch View Post
    I wrote the book and got you to buy it, what does that say about my sales skills? LOL, it's a joke.

    My point is that easy sales are just that, easy. Anyone can do that. It's the difficult sales that make difference. Especially for a cam model who, let's face it, after the newness wears off and the years take their toll, the easy sales are harder to come by.

    I can sell sand to an Arab and snow to an Eskimo. That's the attitude that leads to success. Banning is just a way of giving up and never learning the skills it takes to make a tough sale.
    If you were familiar with being successful in sales then you'd know that there as been much written on the fact that some customers just aren't worth wasting your time on.

    Here is an example of just one of those articles:
    http://www.salestrainingplus.com/sal...h-time-wasters

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    I work on a token site, so it's a bit different. I normally keep people around who aren't needy, begging, or annoying. I've converted quite a few grays into paying customers over time. CB has a feature where you can make certain people "moderators" in your chat. If someone tips 2000tk within a 2 show period of time (and they're behaving in the chat room), I give them a moderator spot because it makes them feel special and that way I can see them anytime they come in my room. The moderator feature also has a time limit, so after 3 months they are unmodded from my chat. I reinstate their position if they tip well throughout their modhood, otherwise I wait until they toss in another 2000tk. If they haven't tipped in a few months and don't contribute positively to the chat, I ban them the second I'm annoyed with seeing their name lol.
    I will say I do make exceptions to this occasionally. If you're annoying as fuck but every time you're in my room you tip me $200+ profit, I'll probably put up with your shit attitude and not ban you. I have a reg like this who I think is absolutely vile and annoying AF, but I know every time he comes in, I have a guaranteed 6000tk from him in an hourish. I also have a mod who probably tips me 300tk a month max but is on every time I'm on cam, never asks for anything, and is very good at being a moderator/monitoring the chat, which to me is very valuable. Having a mod who puts up your twitter regularly, blocks trolls, keeps the convo going, makes gifs, encourages tippers, and makes sure everything is running smoothly is extremely valuable in a high traffic cam room. Is he my best tipper? not by a long shot. Does he go above and beyond without asking for anything? yup! So the pros outweigh the cons for him.

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    yes often times if you don't go ahead and ban them and then they go to pvt they end up leaving you a 1 star rating.. IN fact some guy who I had did a show with a week ago.. and he tipped me tons of money.. the next time he comes back to pvt .. I am feeling beat down.. after my son yells at me... etc etc.. and then he acts like a complete douche.. rates me 1 star and a review labeling me BORING.. I don't trust these men at all.>.. I do not know why i even said anything to him.. I keep trying to find the HUMAN in them and it's nearly impossible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mare View Post
    If it wasn't for them being able to come back and scum us over I would just kick. So instead I ban. Kicking would totally teach them what's acceptable and what's not. Except then they come back and take you pvt or excl and we all know what happens next 9 times out of 10. You get douched.

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    Yea the way I look at it is.. they are constantly taking time away from other guys you could be saying HI to or interacting with.. NOt to mention the Energy Level of your body.. constantly exerting energy on guys who never become your customer.

    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    If you were familiar with being successful in sales then you'd know that there as been much written on the fact that some customers just aren't worth wasting your time on.

    Here is an example of just one of those articles:
    http://www.salestrainingplus.com/sal...h-time-wasters

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    Right?? My only thrills is tips, privates.. MOSTLY BIG TIPS and banning assholes.. all that masturbation and sex stuff is for the fucking birds.. lol

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    I ban all the time and get off on doing it.

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    Clearly you have never sat in front of the CAM as a camgirl.. it is very fast paced and if you are split camming on other cam sites.. Ain't nobody got time for that! timewasters.. uggh.. I think you forgot about the thrill guys get out of wasting OUR time.. it's a fucking game to them, man.. .. are you fucking kidding me???.. When I first started camming I NEVER kicked or banned anyone.. I was just to nice.. I had a ROOM full of free chatters.. most of them would sit there for 8 hours a day.. guess how much money they gave me huh?? $5 bucks a month each.. yes you heard that correctly.. a whole 5 bucks per month for having to chat to them for HOURS 5 to 7 days per week.. You are NOT a camgirl.. To bad you have NO clue about the way men waste a woman's life away .. hmm why is that?? CUZ YOU ARE A MAN! I speak for myself and not these other girls but the bitchier and meaner I get and the more I threaten them the more money I receive.. NO fucking clue.. this is a different kind of sales game.. these guys are not right in the head...LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyJackBitch View Post
    I wrote the book and got you to buy it, what does that say about my sales skills? LOL, it's a joke.

    My point is that easy sales are just that, easy. Anyone can do that. It's the difficult sales that make difference. Especially for a cam model who, let's face it, after the newness wears off and the years take their toll, the easy sales are harder to come by.

    I can sell sand to an Arab and snow to an Eskimo. That's the attitude that leads to success. Banning is just a way of giving up and never learning the skills it takes to make a tough sale.

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    If a guy continues to lurk in my room for over three days, (sitting in free chat for a large duration of time without saying anything, not tipping, and not making an effort to get a private,) I assume that they have no intention of giving me money. I also assume that they are getting off for free by just looking at me...banned.

    If a guy tips 1 or 2 gold and demands the world, I'll kindly explain that those actions will require more gold. If they're persisting that they're "broke," and "can't afford me," banned.

    If a guy has requests that gross me out OR break the rules, (scat, urination, bestiality, age play of infants, etc.) Banned.

    If a guy can't speak English properly and it is hard for me to understand what they're saying, banned.

    If a guy is rude and trying to get a rise out of me in free chat for his personal pleasure, banned.


    I have no shame or problem with banning people. Even if they are "potential customers," I would much rather have a client base in which I enjoy pleasing then catering to people that annoy me. It makes this job much more bearable in my opinion, and the guys that I do enjoy entertaining usually get a kick out of my "spunk."
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    This is a tricky one. Sometimes the guys who've spent money on you just want to pop in and say hello or see if your prices have changed, see what you're wearing, etc. Chances are, if they've spent money on you before; they will again. I think if you mention "Hey sweetie, it's been a while since we've last had some fun, did you want a show today?" to make it known that you are there to play and not just "chat". It's possible that you might be hurting your own earnings by logging in every single day. I understand that the money is there when you want it but I believe in leaving the guys guessing sometimes too. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. If you don't log in all the time they start to miss you and when you do finally log in and they get your notification you'll get their money. This works for me.

    I have been seeing a lot of my regulars from other sites come on sm as well and my prices are higher there. They either buy a show, or ask if I don't mind logging in my other site to play. Either way, I'm getting their money. Sometimes you have to ban when necessary and sometimes you need to remind the guys what they are there for. I definitely think you should take a few hours off or log in at different times so you seem less available. If they know you're going to be there every single time they're on they're most likely going to want to shoot the shit with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kortneykay View Post
    This is a tricky one. Sometimes the guys who've spent money on you just want to pop in and say hello or see if your prices have changed, see what you're wearing, etc. Chances are, if they've spent money on you before; they will again. I think if you mention "Hey sweetie, it's been a while since we've last had some fun, did you want a show today?" to make it known that you are there to play and not just "chat". It's possible that you might be hurting your own earnings by logging in every single day. I understand that the money is there when you want it but I believe in leaving the guys guessing sometimes too. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. If you don't log in all the time they start to miss you and when you do finally log in and they get your notification you'll get their money. This works for me.

    I have been seeing a lot of my regulars from other sites come on sm as well and my prices are higher there. They either buy a show, or ask if I don't mind logging in my other site to play. Either way, I'm getting their money. Sometimes you have to ban when necessary and sometimes you need to remind the guys what they are there for. I definitely think you should take a few hours off or log in at different times so you seem less available. If they know you're going to be there every single time they're on they're most likely going to want to shoot the shit with you.

    I agree with all of this so hard!

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    yea, overtime you do learn who to ban and not to ban...theres this one guy...hes so weird...its like one day hes a sweetheart and the next day its the devil LOL! its like...hmmm did you take your prozac today? fuckin nut case LOL! but hes been around for awhile now...I blocked him a couple months ago but then I missed his money lol so I unblocked him and thought to myself...maybe that will teach him...like a spank for being bad...he saw me again after the unblock and I told him what I thought of him and how he needs to treat me better...he apologized and he treated me well for about 2 months then the devil came out again...just rude ass under my skin comments...blocked him again...go with your gut cause its always right and don't ever second guess yourself...cause more than likey...once an ass...always an ass LOL

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    ^^ I couldn't have said it any better myself!
    Also, I decided to ban the guys who haven't bought a show since 2011-2012.. Why? Because when I ask them politely if they would like a show, and tell them how long its been since we played. ,,, They leave my room without any explanation. Too late, because I had my finger on the 'ban' button.
    They will never change.. EVER!

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    Hrrrrm, reading this makes me think I need to grow some thicker skin!

    I'm never fast enough to catch peepers anyway, and I will usually ban if someone keeps making requests in free without tipping, but I'm really not good at kicking/banning people just spending too much time lingering silently or chatting too much without tipping in free... I don't have many people in my room at a time, so don't want to risk kicking someone who actually is going to pay up EVENTUALLY, and I also don't want to just seem rude- completely silly, I know...

    Also, I find that unless you have a domme/princess/bitch persona it's really difficult to be firm enough. I give off a sweet and innocent but naughty vibe, and worry too much about putting custies off. Think next time I'm online I'll have to be a lot more ruthless.
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    ^^ I know EXACTLY where You are coming from, which is why I started this thread in the first place.
    I come across as innocent looking, and am very sweet, and good natured. But, on cam, unless I get firm, I will always be behind in getting my financial needs met.
    I can't tell You how many times I've talked myself out of getting a prvt./exclusive/ tipped, because I am too nice.
    I only used to domme, but found I was missing a lot of the 'vanilla' custies. Besides, on a big box cam site most guys don't really know the meaning of domme, anyway, and don't even know what they want.(unless its on kinklive, etc).
    You can silently ban, without the room knowing about it. You will never los Your cool that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaFaye View Post
    Hrrrrm, reading this makes me think I need to grow some thicker skin!

    I'm never fast enough to catch peepers anyway, and I will usually ban if someone keeps making requests in free without tipping, but I'm really not good at kicking/banning people just spending too much time lingering silently or chatting too much without tipping in free... I don't have many people in my room at a time, so don't want to risk kicking someone who actually is going to pay up EVENTUALLY, and I also don't want to just seem rude- completely silly, I know...

    Also, I find that unless you have a domme/princess/bitch persona it's really difficult to be firm enough. I give off a sweet and innocent but naughty vibe, and worry too much about putting custies off. Think next time I'm online I'll have to be a lot more ruthless.
    Nothing wrong with your persona. I've found that using canned messages sent privately on SM helps. Instead of saying out loud 'hey asshole, no parking!' I'll click on his name and send the canned message. No response in 30 seconds? Silent kick. Repeat offender? Ban. This is, of course, just my solution and you're not under ANY pressure to do what I or any other girl does since--duh--your room.

    As for not feeling firm enough, I have that same sort of cute but sultry/naughty vibe going on and still don't take shit. I tread carefully enough between sweet heart and bitch that I've managed to attract customers who want both types of girls. SPH/sissy/humiliation guys? They love that I ignore them. Vanilla/girl-next-door guys? They love my looks and 'camgirl' soft, sexy voice. It's a middle ground thing and super girl dependent. I've just found that this works best for me.


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    im sorry i really didnt read the thread...like at all lol...but i just wanna say i used to never ban in hopes "one day they will spend" now i ban if anyone slightly annoys me or i notice their name a lot and that they havent spent. keeps me happy and able to work longer for the spenders. some days i ban only 3-4 sometimes i ban over 50, i still stay plenty busy.

    annnnd plus i think if more girls tolerate less bs we wont have to deal with it as much.
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    the thing is.. he is just a rude asshole and probably forgot that he was supposed to be nice to you because he is on his asshole rampage to everyone else...LOL.. this is why I am not a believer of second chances on camsites. They always act out again.. ALWAYS

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    yea, overtime you do learn who to ban and not to ban...theres this one guy...hes so weird...its like one day hes a sweetheart and the next day its the devil LOL! its like...hmmm did you take your prozac today? fuckin nut case LOL! but hes been around for awhile now...I blocked him a couple months ago but then I missed his money lol so I unblocked him and thought to myself...maybe that will teach him...like a spank for being bad...he saw me again after the unblock and I told him what I thought of him and how he needs to treat me better...he apologized and he treated me well for about 2 months then the devil came out again...just rude ass under my skin comments...blocked him again...go with your gut cause its always right and don't ever second guess yourself...cause more than likey...once an ass...always an ass LOL

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    Amusing. I can tell by this post that you haven't read a lot of sales books.
    LOL, I'm probably going to get hammered for this, but I agree with some of what BillyJackBitch says, but agree that he's probably a guy because he doesn't have a clue what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse... and he obviously doesn't realize that he's "talking" to a lot of successful models here.

    I certainly don't agree that fervent banning is the reason why many girls are finding it tough right now.

    The reason I know this is because I never ban anyone and I'm still doing it tough... and I'm as "nice" as you can get.

    I've been working on SM since February and have zero members on my ban list. One member is on "messages blocked".

    Why don't I ban? A few reasons actually. One reason is that I work on 4 or 5 sites simultaneously so I'm looking at a lot of chat windows at the same time. Each site has different ways to kick and ban members. One Asian site I work on requires a written note explaining why I'm banning someone... and that site has more assholes than all the others combined... and to make matters worse, they force me to entertain guests (with no account) and I can't turn it off. Why do I still work this site?.. some of you may ask. Well, it's an extra $50 to $100 a shift. No other reason. I switched it off for many months, but turned it on again lately after other sites were going really slow.

    I now realize that SM bans are fairly solid, but on other sites I work on it's easy for someone to sign up again under a different name and continue the abuse... and they always come back more nasty and more determined after I've kicked them. This lead to me having to learn to ignore assholes instead of kicking/banning them and ignoring worked out as a better solution on these particular sites.

    Having done this for many years, I have become quite adept at handling abuse by ignoring it and don't normally get too upset over it...

    Now that I work many sites I simply hide the offending site window behind another site if it gets annoying... or hide it behind the Verysoft splitcam viewing window, which can be set to stay on top... and then focus on my other 4 sites.

    Another way to limit its effect is to make the chat font huge (helps reading too), so only a few lines can be seen in the chat window at once. If there is a trouble maker in the room, there's a good chance I've missed his trouble. I don't have the time or concentration to be able to focus on names and customers in my room to see how long they're stayed etc. I really don't care how long they stay, tipping, privates or not. Apart from my cam site windows, I also spend quite a lot of time in YM (trying to drum up regulars), so I'm really too busy to notice most of the time.

    I must say that SM is the tamest site I have ever worked on. I seldom have any problems there.

    Anyway, that's how I do it.

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    LOL, I'm probably going to get hammered for this, but I agree with some of what BillyJackBitch says, but agree that he's probably a guy because he doesn't have a clue what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse... and he obviously doesn't realize that he's "talking" to a lot of successful models here.

    I certainly don't agree that fervent banning is the reason why many girls are finding it tough right now.

    The reason I know this is because I never ban anyone and I'm still doing it tough... and I'm as "nice" as you can get.

    I've been working on SM since February and have zero members on my ban list. One member is on "messages blocked".

    Why don't I ban? A few reasons actually. One reason is that I work on 4 or 5 sites simultaneously so I'm looking at a lot of chat windows at the same time. Each site has different ways to kick and ban members. One Asian site I work on requires a written note explaining why I'm banning someone... and that site has more assholes than all the others combined... and to make matters worse, they force me to entertain guests (with no account) and I can't turn it off. Why do I still work this site?.. some of you may ask. Well, it's an extra $50 to $100 a shift. No other reason. I switched it off for many months, but turned it on again lately after other sites were going really slow.

    I now realize that SM bans are fairly solid, but on other sites I work on it's easy for someone to sign up again under a different name and continue the abuse... and they always come back more nasty and more determined after I've kicked them. This lead to me having to learn to ignore assholes instead of kicking/banning them and ignoring worked out as a better solution on these particular sites.

    Having done this for many years, I have become quite adept at handling abuse by ignoring it and don't normally get too upset over it...

    Now that I work many sites I simply hide the offending site window behind another site if it gets annoying... or hide it behind the Verysoft splitcam viewing window, which can be set to stay on top... and then focus on my other 4 sites.

    Another way to limit its effect is to make the chat font huge (helps reading too), so only a few lines can be seen in the chat window at once. If there is a trouble maker in the room, there's a good chance I've missed his trouble. I don't have the time or concentration to be able to focus on names and customers in my room to see how long they're stayed etc. I really don't care how long they stay, tipping, privates or not. Apart from my cam site windows, I also spend quite a lot of time in YM (trying to drum up regulars), so I'm really too busy to notice most of the time.

    I must say that SM is the tamest site I have ever worked on. I seldom have any problems there.

    Anyway, that's how I do it.
    Nah, you aren't going to get hammered. Whatever way you want to run your camming business will always be the right way for you -- it is your business after all. Who is going to know your own money better than you?

    We just get cranky when people like BillyJackBitch try to tell us how to run our business....since who is going to know our money better then us.

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