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    Default Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    Hey girls,

    I don't want this to become an inflamatory topic as I know there are a looot of US girls on the site, but I've just had a lot of bad experiences lately and I want to check and see if it's just me? Or maybe part of a larger trend starting to develop...in which case would be very unfortunate for the many US girls on the site I suppose.

    When I started dancing I did not notice this problem, but in the last year and a half, literally every travelling American that I dance for (I work in various cities in Ontario) behaves like a COMPLETE piece of shit. Now, one of the reasons I wanted to post about this observation is because I know from being on the board for a while that our contact levels in this country are a fucking bargain for them along with our dance prices (full nude, full contact, everything goes except the kitty, moderate-liberal grinding depending on the city, $20 a song everywhere), so it confuses me greatly as to why they are SO CHEAP and also so rude with their excessive grabbing and trying to put their tongues everywhere they don't belong. I always think they will spend a lot of money on dances and be good customers because compared to our clubs the ones in the states are sooooo shitty and overpriced. But the last three americans I danced for: one refused to pay me and complained to the manager when I wouldn't make out with him in VIP, another kept trying to grab my pussy repeatedly after I told him that wasn't allowed, so many times I had to actually stop dancing for him and get a bouncer, and the last one BIT MY TIT. So hard it left a bruise. And stuck his tongue in my ear, and got only one song and didn't even tip. I thought tipping was like the norm in the US? The US girls are always talking about getting tipped and tipping people, we don't really do that up here, but wtf gives? Is this how american customers behave in their own country? Or are they going nuts because they have been told for so long that they just can't handle pussy and booze under one roof and they just finally believe it for real and behave like such complete asshats that such silly laws become understandable? Or do they just think because us canadian girls are "foreigners" they can treat us like shit? Seriously though, the next one that tries this kind of shit is going to get a dose of Canadian "politeness" 7" up his ass. /rant

    But seriously, what are your experiences with travelling americans like? I'm starting to want to avoid them, and if other girls have experienced similar, I'd love to know because personally I think it might be the start of a new trend that's a symptom of the shitty shitty economy down there (not that it's not bad here, but from what I hear, US is worse). Alternatively I'd love to hear if girls have ever had really nice experiences with the same type of customer. Please prove my hunch wrong as they are our neighbours and in our Canadian clubs frequently!
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    Default Re: Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    Not me, but a friend of mine down in PR. Despite that PR belongs to the USA, the same apply down there.


    Many Americans from the mainland who go to strip clubs in PR seem to be clueless that PR is not that different from the mainland USA, so they think they're going to get a bargain for their buck (which is funny 'cause PR uses American dollars). My friend used to tell me that the "gringos" (Anglo-Saxon Americans) would pretend to speak broken Spanish to get away with shit...forgetting that the English most dancers down there speak is better than the Spanish they (the Anglos) speak. Some clubs down there have extras, others no so it's kind of a hit or miss from a customer point of view.

    She'd tell me how she had to tell customers: "hey, you can speak English to me, I understand; remember, we use American money". I imagine those guys feeling very stupid for doing/saying shit like the stuff I mentioned above.





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    Default Re: Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    I work in the UK and I have worked in the US and I am an American.

    The situation is slightly different in the UK because even though the prices are usually cheaper, the level of contact, in London anyway, is extremely low compared to almost anywhere else in the world, let alone the US. I have danced outside of London in clubs where the contact is higher, in some places about the same as it would be in the US, but I have honestly never run across an American there.

    I've had very mixed experiences with American customers here, most of the UK girls I work with won't touch them because they don't want to deal with them moaning and whining about the level of contact. But, being an American they tend to like me because we can commiserate on the things we dislike about the Brits and how much we miss home, and I've had some spend quite a bit of money. It's pretty damn rare for them not to buy ANYTHING from anyone, but I definitely don't count on them buying a room for hours or anything, though it does happen occasionally. They tend to just buy a bunch of dances from different girls and sit around and drink.

    And no, they are shitty tippers-- to me anyway, perhaps some British ladies will come on here and argue with me, but they don't tip anywhere near the amount they do in the US. I don't know if it's because they're just pissed they didn't get the contact they were expecting or if they can tell that it isn't the norm to tip here, but I don't get it, because I tip the same way I would tip in America because I'm fucking American and it's ingrained in me. I honestly would feel horrible if I didn't-- and when I've asked customers/clients who work in the service industry if Americans tip them, they say 99% of the time they can count on a tip, so it seems to be a strip club phenomena.

    I'm an American and I can say that I am ashamed of the way we act as tourists/vacationers. Whenever I see a group of American tourists I wish I could pull of a better fake British accent because we have this attitude that we're better than everyone else, everyone better get out of our fucking way, we're loud and obnoxious, and everything is better in America and X sucks. Also, if you're getting young guys who are on bachelors parties (have been in the UK too long I actually wrong 'stag' and had to go back and change it!) then they're probably on a budget, and even if they're not, they have an attitude of wanting to get the most bang for their buck. I honestly hated dealing with bachelor parties in the US, and I imagine they're even worse when they're on a bachelor party vacation.

    As a Canadian you'll probably appreciate this, but people ask me if I'm Canadian all the time and when I say no I'm American they say "but you're so polite to be an American." That's not to say that Americans are impolite, we just have a tendency to be horribly behaved when we're on vacation. I think if you were to dance in America you would have a much better opinion of American SC customers.

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    Default Re: Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    I have never danced in Canada, but in UK (and other parts of Europe) and Asia and I can say that I have never ever had a negative experience with US customers. They have always been lovely and spent money + tipped. I prefer them to any other nationality.

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    They're terrible abroad, especially in groups, in my experience.

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    Default Re: Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    Were these experiences at our club or on your trip? I think city plays a huge factor in it, along with how often the customer comes to Canada and the clubs.

    I think certain larger cities get a lot more businessmen coming in regularly since it's such a large business hub for our country, and if they come often, they likely go to the clubs often and therefore get used to what's normally offered in that city. Why should they tip or keep their hands/mouths to themselves when they know that 99% of the dancers don't expect that?

    Many of these traveling businessmen also don't even visit clubs at home, only going as a "treat" when they're traveling, so they don't even know how different it is. If they start getting dances in a dirty city, well, it's inevitable that it's what they come to expect all the time.

    Personally, I've only had positive experiences with Americans at our club and in the UK. I actually have the worst time with customers from the bigger city, who come in expecting the same standard of service as they're used to back home!

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    Default Re: Non-US Dancers: When Americans Visit Your Club

    ^did you have a good experience with them in London or Edinburgh?

    I'm very curious to see how they would react in a UK city where there was some contact.

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    ^Edinburgh. They happily paid my overcharging prices, tipped on top, and kept their hands to themselves. Granted, I didn't dance for many Americans so my sample size there was pretty small. I particularly remember a group of guys from Boston who were great though.

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    ^That makes more sense. I didn't have any Americans in Edinburgh the weekend I danced. imagine in London it's too much of a culture shock or them when they're told I can't even put my foot on their chair!

    I never had a problem getting dances from them in London-- I would just say "aren't you homesick? how about I give you a taste from home and get naked for you?" and they would always bite, I just had very few who were willing to buy rooms for long periods of times and they never wanted to tip the way they did in the US and there was a lot of "but back at home girls do X" whining going on.

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    I'm sooooo sorry that crap happened to you. I hate to say that I have seen unbelievable levels of predatory behavior. My club went from guys asking to touch and respecting a "no" to having to fight and call a bouncer multiple times a night. I've seen them have to drag guys out, seen guys bite girls, heard of full on sexual assaults. My theory is that it's a combination of things, the customers literally changing as in a whole new unsavory crop of dudes and management changing from an old guard who viewed us as performers to a new guard that views us as subhuman animals to be set out for use however the customer sees fit.
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    I always do well with American customers here, we will talk a lot about my American strip club and travel experiences, Its very obvious to anyone who talks to me I love all things American so I think they like that.
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    I've noticed that traveling American men have this attitude even in America! I've only danced in the US, but it seems like whenever a bachelor party where most of the guests are from out of state, or guys who came out here for a fishing trip/vacation or whatever -- they frequently have this "Woooooo!!!" mentality and they act like wild children. They can be the worst! It's like how people go all crazy in Vegas and New Orleans.

    I think it's less of an American thing and more of a vacation "letting loose" thing plus some culture shock. For example, 99% of customers I meet who are visiting from Texas or the southwest will bitch and sob because dances here are twice the price or whatever.

    Also, unfortunately plenty of local guys on an average evening will act like you described, too. So it's not even just traveling, lol. You may have just been unlucky and gotten a string of jerks!

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    My theory is that it's a combination of things, the customers literally changing as in a whole new unsavory crop of dudes and management changing from an old guard who viewed us as performers to a new guard that views us as subhuman animals to be set out for use however the customer sees fit.
    ^^^ all too true, unfortunately.


    I think city plays a huge factor in it, along with how often the customer comes to Canada and the clubs.

    I think certain larger cities get a lot more businessmen coming in regularly since it's such a large business hub for our country, and if they come often, they likely go to the clubs often and therefore get used to what's normally offered in that city. Why should they tip or keep their hands/mouths to themselves when they know that 99% of the dancers don't expect that?

    Many of these traveling businessmen also don't even visit clubs at home, only going as a "treat" when they're traveling, so they don't even know how different it is. If they start getting dances in a dirty city, well, it's inevitable that it's what they come to expect all the time
    ^^^ also true for the most part !

    I would also add that US tourists and/or business guys showing up in Canadian 'border' city clubs represents a whole different financial dynamic than US tourists and/or business guys showing up at clubs in major European cities. Put simply, it doesn't cost very much to drive to a Canadian 'border' city club. This skews the financial composition of US customers towards 'middle class' guys who tend to expect greater 'bang for their buck'. And the well known existence of more than a few Canadian 'border' city clubs that offer notoriously high 'bang for the buck' doesn't help with expectation levels. Obviously, some number of US customers who chose to cross the border to check out Canadian 'border' city clubs are doing so with the express purpose of seeking out much higher contact levels ... if they weren't, they could have saved 2 hours and a lot of border hassles by hitting clubs in Buffalo, Detroit, Seattle etc.
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    Thanks for all the input! Shanna, yes this has been at our club, another reason it's been quite shocking, I think I told you about the boob biter. It was that dead tuesday that ended up being super shitty. Probably because that asshole put me in a reeeaaaallly bad mood right at the beginning of my shift

    I actually have never worked in any "border city" clubs...so good lordy lord I don't want to know what it's like there. I've heard plenty a horror story about niagra falls (border town). I've heard all the girls are at least pretty wild if not downright extras chicks, and pimping is a problem there as a result. I worked in Toronto clubs and observed a similar kind of environment, Toronto is more of a touristy city for Americans than Ottawa, which Americans visit mostly for business I think. I started having my first rude American travelling customers in Toronto about a year ago shortly before I stopped working in that city, the trend just continued for the most part in my new location. I danced for the first time since I wrote this post yesterday (was away for a week) and no rude customers yet! Hopefully this string of rude ones was a fluke!
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    Optimist's post in particular is spot-on, I think, esp re: the why. Altho I am not American-born I grew up in the US & when travelling in Europe I often felt ashamed to be lumped in w/ American travellers bc their attitudes toward their host country are often just plain shit.

    Idk if other foreign-born girls have experienced this, regardless of how long they have lived in the US, but I have had more than one American refuse to tip, or try to short me, or otherwise behave very aggressively on the grounds of 'Isn't that how they do it where you're from?!'

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