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    Hey there!

    So I'm a dancer in Chicago. I've worked at two clubs so far. I just recently started at this new club, which offers full contact in VIP.

    It's a topless only club that doesn't serve alcohol but is BYOB. Upon hiring, I was told that in VIP it's at our discretion how much we let a customer touch but that they are technically allowed (as long as it's not between the legs and panties stay on), however I've noticed it's usually hard to sell the VIP rooms unless you offer them some kind of touching.

    Whenever I've had a VIP I've said "yeah you can touch me a little" flirtatiously when they ask. But this has turned into full on GROPING which makes me a little uncomfortable and I have had to move guys hands away to keep them at my comfort level.

    Anyway, before I get any further, I wanted to check if this is technically legal in my area. I've done research on prostitution laws in Chicago and if this is considered prostitution, ect, and I have not had much luck at all. I just want to stay on the right side of the law.

    Although I've been careful about letting guys not touch me too long and stopping them if they make me feel uncomfortable, it does make me nervous that everything is done on camera, ect. And wanted to be sure that this couldn't be used against me if it turns out this IS against the law.

    Anyone have any information about touching rules in Chicago? Much appreciated Thank you!

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    First of all, club rules usually don't correlate with the law. Managers will tell you it's okay to to certain things that could actually get you a ticket, if club politics go the wrong way and they're raided. A lot of clubs get raided very rarely due to payoffs, but you should research whether your club is good on that account.

    Beyond that, it's up to you whether you'll take the risk to "compete" within this club. Another thing to consider is whether other dancers go above and beyond what you're comfortable doing in this club. During a raid, you'll be a lower priority if this is the case. But is it worth it?

    Sorry I don't have more specific rules for Chicago clubs. It may help you to contact a lawyer if you'd rather not let the clubs lawyer/your "transgressions" vs the more hard core extras girls protect you alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaRenee View Post
    Hey there!

    So I'm a dancer in Chicago. I've worked at two clubs so far. I just recently started at this new club, which offers full contact in VIP.

    It's a topless only club that doesn't serve alcohol but is BYOB. Upon hiring, I was told that in VIP it's at our discretion how much we let a customer touch but that they are technically allowed (as long as it's not between the legs and panties stay on), however I've noticed it's usually hard to sell the VIP rooms unless you offer them some kind of touching.

    Whenever I've had a VIP I've said "yeah you can touch me a little" flirtatiously when they ask. But this has turned into full on GROPING which makes me a little uncomfortable and I have had to move guys hands away to keep them at my comfort level.

    Anyway, before I get any further, I wanted to check if this is technically legal in my area. I've done research on prostitution laws in Chicago and if this is considered prostitution, ect, and I have not had much luck at all. I just want to stay on the right side of the law.

    Although I've been careful about letting guys not touch me too long and stopping them if they make me feel uncomfortable, it does make me nervous that everything is done on camera, ect. And wanted to be sure that this couldn't be used against me if it turns out this IS against the law.

    Anyone have any information about touching rules in Chicago? Much appreciated Thank you!
    Go to vip. It is not legal in the city. vip has had had issues when daily was in office. It's air dsnces,

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    Oops Daley.

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    I'm also in a "full contact" club in the Chicago suburbs. My manager told me that they can touch boobs, but no pussy-which I would never allow anyway. I never use touching as a selling point though. Usually if customers start asking about "what they can do" they're going to be a really grabby pain in the ass (that never tips!) So if they keep pressing that issue, I just move on to a better customer. My highest paying customers are almost, always the best behaved and the least grabby. As far as touching goes, I 'allow' boob touching on a case by case basis, but I never verbalize consent or encourage it. I (hope) that would guard me against any possible prostitution accusations since I never actually GIVE permission. I could just as easily turn it around on them as a sexual assault charge. If they make me uncomfortable I move their hands away, or they get to stare at my back for the rest of the dance. I won't give multiple dances to gropey/rough custies or go to VIP with them. Maybe I lose out on a few bucks, but it's not worth the headache to me. Anyway, I don't know what the actual laws are, but I've had customers grabbing my boobs and putting hands where they shouldn't be even when I worked in a 0 contact bikini club and never got written up for it. They touched ME not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele11 View Post
    Go to vip. It is not legal in the city. vip has had had issues when daily was in office. It's air dsnces,
    Thanks! I was thinking about trying there, but I'm a tattooed girl. I dunno if that would be an issue.

    I really like my club right now, it's just that I don't want to get in any trouble if what goes on in VIP is technically illegal.

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    This may be a bit of a gamble, I will say upfront I have had mixed results w/ it: if there are police who come into your club, whether vice or just in a more protective capacity, would you try asking them where you can find accurate info abt the laws there? Explain that you are a new dancer, or new to the area, & have looked online but had trouble finding anything concrete, & emphasise that you want to stay on the right side of the law.

    Like I said, I have had mixed results doing this. In Daytona, for example, cops didn't care to help me out bc the clubs were paying them off, & even that didn't guarantee they wouldn't get raided. I was also told that bc of this, a genuine complaint of sexual assault by a customer would likely go nowhere, since the clubs were so dirty there would be almost no getting past the assumption that I'd been doing smtg illegal anyway & either deserved it or was just plain full of shit. At my home club in DC however, there was an officer whose beat included the club & he would pop in at least once or twice a wk for a bit, depending on how busy he was, to keep an eye on things & just generally act as a deterrent of customer mayhem. I made friends w/ him & I think he is one of the cops who is genuinely good. I asked him where to find current info on laws, since I was new in the area, & he said 'Sure, go to XYZ in 1st District' on whatever street it was.

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    My manager told me that they can touch boobs
    I'm no attorney, but by the 'letter of the law' a customer paying a dancer, followed by that customer touching that dancer's boobs, usually constitutes a technical violation of state prostitution / lewd conduct law ... because the law in most states doesn't differentiate between breasts and vaginas in regard to areas of 'sexual contact'.

    As others have already posted, in lots of strip clubs today, club 'rules' do not equal '100% legal'. Clubowners don't worry about this too much since A. they usually contribute to 'police widow's and orphans funds' in exchange for the police directing their attentions elsewhere, and B. if and when the club is actually busted, it will be the dancers and not the clubowner who will be charged !!!

    Thus dancers in such clubs face a 'calculated risk'. If they choose to stay 100% within the law, odds are that they won't earn s#!t ... but they might still face the risk of a ( bogus ) bust if the cops simply sweep up all dancers working during a particular shift. If they choose to abide by club 'rules', odds are that they might still face the risk of a ( legitimate ) bust, but will be able to pocket decent earnings until that happens. If they choose to offer 'extras' beyond what the club 'rules' allow, they might face the same risk of a ( legitimate ) bust, but will be able to pocket MAJOR earnings until that happens.

    And, ironically, thanks to their much higher earnings, busted 'extras' girls are more able to afford several thousand dollars in legal fees for a 'real' attorney of their own ... which greatly increases the probability that charges will be dropped or that they will be found innocent on appeal. In contrast, '100% legal' dancers, and dancers who follow the club rules, are likely to be faced with the choice of accepting a plea bargain deal ( no jail time ) in exchange for a de-facto 'guilty' plea to a prostitution / lewd conduct charge arranged 'for free' by a public defender or the club's attorney, or 'taking their chances' with a jury made up of jealous housewives, bible thumping retirees, gov't employees etc. and having to spend some days as 'a guest of the county' if they are found guilty.

    Now for the 'good news' regarding the state of Illinois in particular. I tracked down the state prostitution laws at . In point of fact, Illinois does limit the 'sexual contact' necessary for a prostitution charge to 'penetration', which is rare among state prostitution laws.
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    Thanks Melonie! Helpful as always. Penetration should be the limit of defining "prostitution" in *every* state imo. I can't believe it isn't.

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    ^^^ well, at the other extreme, in some states the following scenario fulfills the technical requirements for a prostitution charge ...

    - two dancers on stage at the same time
    - customers tipping at the rail
    - one dancer touches the other dancer's breast

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    I danced in three different clubs in the Chicago area, and 2/3 were EXTREMELY high contact (The other offered "air dances". lame.) It was my first experience as a dancer, so I just accepted it. My very first one in particular I was groped all night for $10 a song. Working in that club made me realize something important: I could do the job, but I valued myself way more than $10 a song, especially for the amount of crap I was dealing with.

    It was so refreshing when I traveled to Wisconsin and the customers sat politely with their hands at their sides for double the price! What a difference!
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