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    In Buffalo, Jills founder Gaulin thinks the squad should make do with nothing. “We always considered it a privilege to be on the field to cheer for our team,” she wrote recently in a message on the squad’s alumni association website disapproving of the current lawsuits. Hers is a typical response to complaints from low-level workers in glamour industries. It is not, however, a legal defense. “There is no exception in the minimum wage law for loving your job,” says Sean Cooney, a lawyer who represents the five Jills in their suit.
    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...inimum-wage#p1

    The NFL refuses to pay them and contracts demand THEY pay 70-90% of outside revenue streams. Man, they have it waaaay worse than we do!!
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    So if I'm reading this right 70-90% of money they make as cheerleaders goes back to the team? HELL NO. If the team can be paid then so should the cheerleaders. I've heard cheerleaders often have to pay more than they make for being a cheerleader. I know it's an honor to be a cheerleader but still not right.

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    I am baffled as to how this is legal

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    Over a decade ago a boyfriend of mine explained the secret life of NFL cheerleaders & I lost any respect for that system. (He worked at a sports memorabilia shop & met a bunch of cheerleaders.)

    Tragically in America women are encouraged to act powerless so for some beautiful sheltered women, being a pro cheerleader is a lateral move- from being a coddled pretty youth to a coddled pretty lady looking for a husband.

    This whole sad shebang makes me actually grateful for Hooters- at least there women can have a high daily potential income doing less, with the protections afforded by a standard job. Not perfect but better than paying out of pocket to be an ornamental female. (Source- I worked with a former Hooters waitress.)

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    This is also startling:
    The National Football League season begins on Thursday night with two teams playing on national television. It doesn’t really matter which teams (Green Bay Packers at Seattle Seahawks) or what channel (NBC). Tens of millions of people will be watching. The NFL is the most popular show on TV and arguably the last totem of American mass culture. Last fall, 34 of the 35 most-watched programs on TV were NFL games. That doesn’t include Super Bowl XLVIII, which set a U.S. viewership record of 111.5 million.

    So the NFL is about as public, in one sense, as any business can get. But it’s also run as a very private business.

    While the league office is run as a not-for-profit “trade association promoting [the] interests of its 32 member clubs,” all but one of those clubs are privately held, for-profit companies that reveal next to nothing about their finances. (The lone exception, the publicly held, nonprofit Green Bay Packers, releases an annual report to its 364,122 shareholders.) But the league office is also obliged, to its dismay, to release a 990 tax form each year that lists its revenue, costs, and the pay of its top executives.
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    Yeah have you watched any of the Dallas cheerleaders documentarys? They make like 17 dollars a day. Freaken joke when some players make 15 mill. I had a gf who cheered for the Bucs. It's extremely hard to even make the team. Complete joke. Why I hate most sports..

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    Speaking of the Dallas Cowboys, I didn't see the docs but did read a book about three sisters (I think it was three sisters, it was long ago)who were all Cowboy Cheerleaders and how abused they were, including telling one who was very thin she needed to lose 10 pounds.

    Honestly this is partly why I switched from cheer leading in high school to other sports. It was all about the prestige but cheerleaders didn't win letters or were treated as athletes though it was athletic.

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    my sister tried to do just high school cheerleading and said it was the most rigorous training she'd ever been through..these ladies ARE athletes too and deserve to be paid for it! the male footballs players are millionaires, so i hardly think its fair for these girls to get 17 bucks a day. oh and i had an exbf named sean cooney that's wild...

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    It really is athletic but because it is considered an honor (translation: cheerleaders are considered pretty and desirable)it doesn't get respect. Some of the crap I saw on the squad (like replacing a skilled cheerleader because she put on weight)really made me sick. That attitude continues into college and the NFL teams, only by now the players are paid and make a lot while the cheerleaders are treated as pretty things without brains.

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    ^^^ it actually boils down to three points ...

    - the NFL clubs own their 'brands'. It is that 'brand' which the cheerleaders are cashing in on. Thus the heavy percentage 'kickback' to the NFL clubs is, in essence, a 'royalty' payment. At one point many years back, a group of competing girls attempted to market themselves independently via adopting the name 'Dallas Cowgirls' and adopting ersatz 'Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader' costumes. The courts quickly put them out of business on the basis of copyright / trademark infringement.

    - the 'supply' of would-be NFL cheerleader applicants exceeds the actual number of 'slots' available by a HUGE margin. This is the case because the media exposure and close-up contact opportunities which NFL cheerleaders receive as a 'perk' of their jobs is worth major money in terms of future career boost potential. The 'supply' of talented star athletes is far more limited. Admittedly, linemen etc. are far more plentiful ... and get paid far less as a result !!!

    - It's extremely difficult for an NFL club to replace a star athlete because that athlete's contribution is 'unique'. The club can bring in another guy with the same height, weight, but the 'results' produced for the NFL club are likely to be vastly different. But as long as they 'fit the uniform' and are able to perform some basic moves, cheerleaders are interchangeable with no effect on the 'results' produced for the club. Indeed, there are hundreds of girls who didn't pass the cheerleader auditions ready and willing to replace any NFL cheerleader ( they already learned a lot of the 'routines' during their unsuccessful auditions ). In that sense, NFL cheerleaders and dancers have a lot in common.

    I would add that NFL cheerleaders bringing 'employee' / minimum wage lawsuits has the potential to vastly decrease their future overall incomes ... because if they are found to be 'employees' it will be the NFL clubs who will collect 100% of cheerleader event performance fees and in turn continues to pay the cheerleaders minimum wage for the hours they spent performing !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    “We always considered it a privilege to be on the field to cheer for our team,”

    The NFL refuses to pay them and contracts demand THEY pay 70-90% of outside revenue streams.
    This has always infuriated me. Yet another way they expect the entire world to fall all over themselves worshipping these assholes because they can toss a ball around. Those women are every bit as talented as the 'heroes' they spend endless hours fawning over. But the jocks get paid millions, and the women get jackshit.

    Personally, the minute I hear the godawful irritating sound of televised football, I am outta there, whether it be a bar, party, friend's house, whatever.

    Now if they actually showed the cheerleaders instead (for more than the split second the do sometimes on television), it might be a different story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ Snips

    - the 'supply' of would-be NFL cheerleader applicants exceeds the actual number of 'slots' available by a HUGE margin.
    BINGO! SW posters can rant about the unfairness of the conditions cited in the article until the cows come home. As long as this "supply/demand model" continues, there will be little, if any improvement for the cheerleaders. I recall many years ago thumbing through a "Playboy" pictorial of NFL Cheerleaders. Some teams fired them for appearing in pictorial. It would be interesting to see how many cheerleaders were strippers at one time, or subsequently moved on to stripping. I recall reading where one prominent porn actress/centerfold was a former NFL cheerleader. Which makes cheerleading more a perceived stepping stone vs a viable semi-career position.
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    Hmmmm....My mother used to date a NFL football player in the 1970s. She told me that back in 1976... NFL cheerleaders made 50 dollars a week and were verbally abused about their weight. I guess times have not changed that much for them.

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    I posted an article like this on my facebook not long ago. I almost became an NFL cheerleader, that is until I found out the team I would be cheering for only paid $11k/year. My friend who decided to go with it ended up quitting mid season because she couldn't support herself and that was not without consequences. Her name is mud! It's not a part time job or even a full time job, it's an over time job. You have to show up for practices, show up for team shoots, show up to promotional activities and are basically the teams property. There is absolutely no time for a second job.

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    But what is also surprising.....is that everyone of them signed up and tried out to be a cheerleader knowing that they werent getting paid.

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    Of course they did. No one is denying the fact that being a cheerleader is a great steppingstone to other work that actually pays for talent and performance.

    What we are objecting to is the fact that the NFL, which is making billions of dollars off the games--and all the hoopla and commercial bullshit in which the cheerleaders play an integral role--seems to feel it perfectly appropriate to pay them what amounts to a gross insult, for all their intensive labor.

    It's the equivalent of tossing nickels and dimes at strippers onstage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    It's the equivalent of tossing nickels and dimes at strippers onstage.
    Sounds like you've never met a gleaming gold Sacagawea face-to-face.

    Yeaowch!

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    But seriously... REAL TALK:

    This is just another situation where the established culture basically expects women to be "grateful" for any pittance and tenuous association with a brand name/entity.

    Heck! Ladies are disposable. And there are dozens more banging down that door to take every chick's spot.

    So the big-wigs do whatever they want because, at the end of the day, they can.... and will... get away with it. Gals don't rock the boat because rocking the boat is akin to walking the plank.

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    Institutionalized disrespect is awful. I wish these ladies luck. I applaud their courage. I hope some strong pro-bono lawyers get on this case and take it all the way.
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    Of course they did. No one is denying the fact that being a cheerleader is a great steppingstone to other work that actually pays for talent and performance.

    What we are objecting to is the fact that the NFL, which is making billions of dollars off the games--and all the hoopla and commercial bullshit in which the cheerleaders play an integral role--seems to feel it perfectly appropriate to pay them what amounts to a gross insult, for all their intensive labor.

    It's the equivalent of tossing nickels and dimes at strippers onstage.
    Forgive me if I don't jump on this NFL bandwagon, but hundreds of major corporations, institutions, etc. make extensive use of 'internships' ... for which the interns are often paid nothing whatsoever !!! In the final analysis, the reasons so many people apply for such positions is exactly the same - it provides 'visibility' that can potentially open doors for highly lucrative / prestigious future opportunities.

    However, in terms of 'stripper' analogy, the only scenario that comes close in my mind is akin to Anna Nicole Smith ... who parlayed the comparative 'nickels and dimes' being earned as an exotic dancer into potential multi-millions via her marriage to strip club customer Howard Marshall. Unfortunately, she got 'screwed' out of the $473 million dollars the court originally awarded as her inheritance ... primarily by the US Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post

    Institutionalized disrespect is awful. I wish these ladies luck. I applaud their courage. I hope some strong pro-bono lawyers get on this case and take it all the way.

    YES
    There are millions of men clamoring for the NFL players spots yet it's not used as some disingenuous argument for paying them a pittance. The NFL has no shame. This is sexist exploitation. If there were demonstrations at every stadium every week before the games it might embarrass these money hungry turds into bargaining in good faith with their union.
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    I have long known that the cheerleaders were getting the shaft, but not as bad as this.

    There is no excuse for wealthy corporations treating people this way.

    As far as sexist, while I cannot defend the NFL they were also pretty awful to the refs, leading to the fiasco last year. So they are just general jerks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post

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    There are millions of men clamoring for the NFL players spots >>>Snip>>
    Really ??? Assuming that by "millions", you mean 2 million plus, that would make over 62500 tryout hopefuls in each of the 32 NFL team training camps. Shoot, I don't think there are even 60,000 college football players. At that maybe half are starters or "draft eligible." While I don't doubt there are millions of men who would "like" to be a NFL football player, only a fraction of that number have the credentials to be taken seriously by a NFL team front office.

    Although the tryout:selected ratio may be identical for the players, and cheerleaders, the number crunching exercises end there. Although they play a part in the overall scheme of things, they are not absolutely essential to an NFL team. A cheerleading squad could have 1 or 2 absentees with very few people noticing the difference. But have a football team put 10 players on field instead of 11- millions of viewers would know. Also, cheerleaders are pretty much a homogenized product across the board. Lose one cheerleader to injury, another one could fill the void without much difference. Losing a key player can often make a big difference between a winning and a losing season.

    I'm not saying that low NFL cheerleader pay is "right" or "OK." I looked over 2 posts, one citing a 1976 pay of $50/week, another citing a (presumably) recent pay of $11K/yr. That translates into a 2014 increase of 1.8% over 1976 levels, adjusted for inflation. NFL revenue increase since 1976 adjusted for inflation far exceeds the measly 1.8% figure. One could rightly say that NFL cheerleaders deserve a fair share of that increase. A common ad in those inflight magazines comes to mind: "You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate for." Given the realities of the business coupled with the supply/demand curve, a cheerleaders union faces a steep uphill battle.
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    There are millions of men clamoring for the NFL players spots yet it's not used as some disingenuous argument for paying them a pittance.
    This, exactly. "A lot of people want to do it" is not an excuse for paying jack shit to employees who work so many hours a week they aren't able to get a second job to support themselves. Like you said, "a lot of people" want to be professional football players, but no one says they should be paid virtually nothing and just "be grateful" that they made the team. Obviously, cheerleaders are not "as important" to the team and shouldn't be paid the millions that the athletes are, but that's still no excuse for demanding so much out of employees without fair compensation.

    Even if you can make the argument that the cheerleaders could disappear and not a damn thing would change in the football game, the reality of the matter is if you're going to create the job, have the job exist, demand so much out of the people you hire to do the job - then, you need to keep up your end up the bargain in regards to paying them like all other people doing a job.

    And choosing to do it is still not a reason for not being able to complain about it or to dismiss their legitimate complaints. People choose to be teachers knowing how abysmal the pay is, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about it. People choose to be strippers knowing that they'll deal with sexual harassment at work, but that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to get mad when someone crosses the line and actually does it. Choosing to do something, even with all the information, because it offers some benefit, doesn't mean that you "aren't allowed" to complain about the other absolute bullshit that you're subjected to and try to change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    Really ??? Assuming that by "millions", you mean 2 million plus, that would make over 62500 tryout hopefuls in each of the 32 NFL team training camps. Shoot, I don't think there are even 60,000 college football players. At that maybe half are starters or "draft eligible." While I don't doubt there are millions of men who would "like" to be a NFL football player, only a fraction of that number have the credentials to be taken seriously by a NFL team front office.

    Although the tryout:selected ratio may be identical for the players, and cheerleaders, the number crunching exercises end there. Although they play a part in the overall scheme of things, they are not absolutely essential to an NFL team. A cheerleading squad could have 1 or 2 absentees with very few people noticing the difference. But have a football team put 10 players on field instead of 11- millions of viewers would know. Also, cheerleaders are pretty much a homogenized product across the board. Lose one cheerleader to injury, another one could fill the void without much difference. Losing a key player can often make a big difference between a winning and a losing season.

    I'm not saying that low NFL cheerleader pay is "right" or "OK." I looked over 2 posts, one citing a 1976 pay of $50/week, another citing a (presumably) recent pay of $11K/yr. That translates into a 2014 increase of 1.8% over 1976 levels, adjusted for inflation. NFL revenue increase since 1976 adjusted for inflation far exceeds the measly 1.8% figure. One could rightly say that NFL cheerleaders deserve a fair share of that increase. A common ad in those inflight magazines comes to mind: "You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate for." Given the realities of the business coupled with the supply/demand curve, a cheerleaders union faces a steep uphill battle.
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    ^^^^ I don't think he is trying to be obtuse, at least not in the final part of his post. He makes a point that, like it or not, is pretty solid. I see it being similar to the problems that strippers face trying to resist bullshit fines & otherwise push for improvements in the clubs: we, the strippers & cheerleaders who want to see better pay arrangements, better safety measures, etc can & will be easily replaced by new girls who won't 'cause trouble' bc they are too stupid or just too apathetic to see they are being exploited.

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    we, the strippers & cheerleaders who want to see better pay arrangements, better safety measures, etc can & will be easily replaced by new girls who won't 'cause trouble' bc they are too stupid or just too apathetic to see they are being exploited.
    Agreed ... but only a part of the issue in question. Unlike 'strippers', performing as an NFL cheerleader provides lots of 'perks' which can potentially translate into major earnings opportunities in the future. How many 'strippers' get free air time on nationwide TV ? How many 'strippers' get to meet multimillionaire 'skybox' fans / rich friends of team owners and players, celebrities etc. on a weekly basis ?

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