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    It's an entirely different ballgame (no pun intended lol) from the dancers' suing the stripclubs. Those dancers made money from their labor, the cheerleaders did not.

    It's not a fucking 'hobby' lol. They are out there busting their asses, during the game and for months, years in some cases before.

    They are NOT interns, newbies who don't know how to dance or do all that dumb (but very difficult) shit they do to support the team, which requires immense skill and long practice sessions.

    Just because it's a chance to 'score' a rich husband looking for an eye candy wife/girlfriend, or maybe even a real job later, doesn't mean they deserve minimum fucking wage or less.


    It's quite simple, either you think a multi-billion dollar industry should shell out a few miserable dollars scraped from the bottom of their barrels when they are done counting their wealth, for women who work as hard as the athletes--because they are in fact athletes as well--or you think they should settle for the atavistic status quo and do it as it as has been done since when, 1960??

    Let them shut up, except when cheering, and be good docile little sex kitten recruits. Or else fuck em all. They asked for it, so they can just bend over & take it.



    Personally I never watch that crap, so it makes no difference to me whether they have cheerleaders or not. But I'd watch the fucking cheerleaders all day long before watching five minutes of those excruciatingly boring games.
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    Those dancers made money from their labor, the cheerleaders did not.
    This is technically true in terms of being paid by the Bills owners for time spent in practice and on the sidelines. It is not true regarding certain promotional events where they received payment from 3rd parties. However it is also technically true that many independent contractor dancers do not make money FROM THE CLUBOWNER, but similarly receive payment from 3rd parties. And in both cases, the argument could be made that it was the owner's 'brand' which attracted the paying 3rd parties. Obviously, the NY judge didn't buy into any of these 'owner' oriented viewpoints.


    Let them shut up, except when cheering, and be good docile little sex kitten recruits. Or else fuck em all. They asked for it, so they can just bend over & take it.
    Not wanting to agitate, but this is EXACTLY what happened with the Buffalo Jills after their 'employee' cheerleader court case was brought. Bills ownership dealt with the issues raised by abolishing the cheerleader squad. Thus the Bills may still be on the hook to pay 'back' minimum wage to former and current Jills cheerleaders. But the Bills will NOT be paying wages or benefit costs for future Jills ... From


    (snip)New York Supreme Court Judge Timothy Drury essentially told the team Tuesday. Drury said there was evidence to support the cheerleaders’ claim that they were, in fact, Bills employees, and only in the “nominal employment” of a pair of entertainment companies that run the squad.

    The Bills had argued that the team was only involved in its cheerleading squad to guarantee the integrity of the Bills brand. (For that matter, you could say the whole football team exists to maintain brand integrity.)

    Anyway, Drury said the Bills’ claim that they have nothing much to do with the cheerleaders was “premature,” noting that one of the cheerleaders, Jaclyn S., had provided an email from her supervisor telling her not just that the Bills own the Jills, but that “they are committed to helping us run an extremely viable business…they are being incredibly supportive and helpful … I will be working much more closely with the Bills.”

    Next stop: depositions.

    "Judge Drury's decision denied the Bills' scheme to insulate themselves from the illegal cheerleading operation," said the cheerleader’s attorney Marc Panepinto. "We will now have the opportunity to prove the unlawful wage practices by the Bills and their contractors.”

    After the cheerleaders filed their lawsuit, which is one of five similar cases in litigation around the country (including two against the Oakland Raiders), the Bills announced that they would suspend their cheerleading operation.(snip)


    I would also add that the legal ruling at the heart of this NY Supreme Court decision may also be applicable to NY strip club owners and NY exotic dancers as well.
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    DJ, I hear your points and I don't disagree about the skilled nature of what cheerleaders do. I also see the case for them deserving recompense. However, the reality is that the market pays for what it wants and cheerleading probably wouldn't draw much of a paying crowd if it was not associated with a sporting event. Right or wrong, there it is.

    But I doubt that paying cheerleaders minimum wage is the big issue here anyway, at least for team owners. If you paid a 30 girl squad $10 per hour for 40 hours over 22 weeks (which covers pre-season and regular season), you would come to a grand total of $264k. For round numbers, since minimum wage is a little lower in most places and the girls aren't likely working 40 hours, yet there will be unemployment insurance and SS matches, let's call the number $300k for the year. This is also consistent with what the Raiders recently settled for on a per year basis. This isn't much money for an NFL team compared to most of its other expenses and probably would be worth it for promotional purposes.

    The real problem lies in being compelled to treat cheerleaders as statutory employees. I can't even imagine how many ways that this would make teams vulnerable to liability lawsuits, but I'm sure that their lawyers can. For example, how do you stop cheerleaders from sleeping with players? How do you prevent players from soliciting cheerleaders who are not interested in them? How much liability insurance will you need to cover potential cheerleader injuries? How do you prevent rowdy fans, during a live game day. from making the stadium a "hostile work environment" with sexually based or other comments? You can nitpick any one of these I'm sure, but the list goes on. There are simply too many variables to control.

    Right or wrong has nothing to do with this. If supporting a cheerleading squad creates more litigation and other exposure than (1) can be controlled; or (2) what it is worth; then a team simply won't do it. Seven teams have already killed their cheerleader squads with barely a hiccup and the rest will likely follow suit if they are forced to make cheerleaders "employees." So which is better, getting a few girls a few bucks now, but killing the opportunity for countless others in the process, or continuing to provide the opportunity even if aspects of it are clearly unfair? Idk, but the girls currently cheerleading for 25 teams have cast their vote, as did the countless number that preceded them.

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    Perhaps it's not a perfect analogy, but one that is similar, is the situation with strip clubs. We go to see the dancers. That's why we go to the clubs. From my perspective, the DJ is not a requirement. A jukebox works just as well. Sometimes a DJ can add a bit of diversion, but just as often, they are just a distraction and some DJs seem to just like to hear themselves talk, and can become quite annoying. So, from my perspective, you could remove the DJs without detracting from the experience.

    Maybe they have value for the dancers, by "talking them up". I don't know, but if I were a dancer, I'd rather keep my tip, and do without a DJ.

    So while you might enjoy watching cheerleaders and paying $80 or more for a seat, I wouldn't.

    So to me it is similar. DJs, like cheerleaders, can provide brief entertainment, but are not part of the reason we go to the clubs (or watch games).

    Oh, and hating football is as un-American as hating motherhood or apple pie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I just find it interesting that these suits aren't filed by current cheerleaders. They are happy with the arrangement. They are filed by ex-cheerleaders who no longer meet the requirements.
    They don't sue because they sign waivers saying that while they're cheerleading they can't partake in legal action but once their contracts are over they're free to do so.

    They are not "trying to ruin it for everyone else" nor "trying to get money after they're past their prime".

    Also, cheerleaders are forbidden to interact with the football players unless told to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    You're so ignorant! They don't sue because they sign waivers saying that while they're cheerleading they can't partake in legal action but once their contracts are over they're free to do so.

    They are not "trying to ruin it for everyone else" nor "trying to get money after they're past their prime".

    Also, cheerleaders are forbidden to interact with the football players unless told to do so.
    Whatever their motives, and I disagree with you on that, the outcome if they win is that they will get back pay for minimum wage. The lawyers are the only ones who win. And if they do win the teams who lose will just drop the squads like the Bills did. So,whatever the intent, they will ruin it for the current cheerleaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Perhaps it's not a perfect analogy, but one that is similar, is the situation with strip clubs. We go to see the dancers. That's why we go to the clubs. From my perspective, the DJ is not a requirement. A jukebox works just as well. Sometimes a DJ can add a bit of diversion, but just as often, they are just a distraction and some DJs seem to just like to hear themselves talk, and can become quite annoying. So, from my perspective, you could remove the DJs without detracting from the experience.

    Maybe they have value for the dancers, by "talking them up". I don't know, but if I were a dancer, I'd rather keep my tip, and do without a DJ.

    So while you might enjoy watching cheerleaders and paying $80 or more for a seat, I wouldn't.

    So to me it is similar. DJs, like cheerleaders, can provide brief entertainment, but are not part of the reason we go to the clubs (or watch games).

    Oh, and hating football is as un-American as hating motherhood or apple pie!
    I've been to stripclubs with jukeboxes. Even took over in a greatly expanded, former jukebox club that then needed a DJ. They still need a guy to manage rotation and stage skips, etc., or chaos will reign and you will have n empty stage much of the time. Not to mention hearing the same cheezy slow whiny overplayed shit that certain dancers will play over and over again--all of them in that club. There's a lot ore to this discussion, but that would be threadjacking.

    I do hear you on the DJ not being any real draw for most guys.

    But I would never, ever pay 80$ to watch cheerleaders...



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    Also, cheerleaders are forbidden to interact with the football players unless told to do so.
    If you believe that, I have a bridge in China for sale real cheap he he...
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    http://www.streetdirectory.com/trave...nravelled.html


    http://www.lemondrop.com/2010/02/16/...s-the-pay-th/2


    I'm not even going to explain the two links provided on top. Everyone has the right to their own opinions, but nobody has the right to their own facts. I'll leave at that.





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    Thanks for the informative links. Helps to correct some of the more glaring misunderstandings about what the job entails.

    I don't doubt there are rules against fraternization, just as there are in so many stripclubs. But I bet those rules work about as well as they do in the stripclubs haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    http://www.streetdirectory.com/trave...nravelled.html


    http://www.lemondrop.com/2010/02/16/...s-the-pay-th/2


    I'm not even going to explain the two links provided on top. Everyone has the right to their own opinions, but nobody has the right to their own facts. I'll leave at that.
    The link just confirms my assertion that it is a hobby. Asked why she does it, she said:


    "I love interacting with the fans on game days -- New Orleans really does have the best fans. I love doing community work and being a role model, showing that we are intelligent women who have jobs and go to school. I enjoy dancing and performing, and especially this past season, where we sold out every game, 80,000 fans, and have really gotten our name out there. Now when our song comes on and we make our entrance, the crowd just goes crazy. It's an awesome adrenaline rush. It's so cool. I wish everyone could experience it just once. "

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    Cheerleaders should be "grateful" to cheer for the team? WHY?! Are the players gods? Do they piss liquid gold? Is cheerleading some kind of charity work to help people?! WHO are they helping? The egos of gold-pissing, "godlike" men who run around and throw a ball?!

    This is disgusting, and only further illustrates how sexism runs this society. The men get paid millions, but the women get paid pennies. WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE want to be a cheerleader for slave pay?! I guess the sweat drops flying onto the cheerleader's faces from the "gods" who run and throw balls, make up for the shit pay. Maybe they can collect the team's sweat in a jar, sell it on ebay, and actually make money for once.

    Holy fuck, I am livid. I need to calm down. After another thread about racism/camming and now this thread, I think I'm about to explode...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    Cheerleaders should be "grateful" to cheer for the team? WHY?! Are the players gods? Do they piss liquid gold? Is cheerleading some kind of charity work to help people?! WHO are they helping? The egos of gold-pissing, "godlike" men who run around and throw a ball?!

    This is disgusting, and only further illustrates how sexism runs this society. The men get paid millions, but the women get paid pennies. WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE want to be a cheerleader for slave pay?! I guess the sweat drops flying onto the cheerleader's faces from the "gods" who run and throw balls, make up for the shit pay. Maybe they can collect the team's sweat in a jar, sell it on ebay, and actually make money for once.

    Holy fuck, I am livid. I need to calm down. After another thread about racism/camming and now this thread, I think I'm about to explode...
    Why are you livid? She says she has a job, this is just something she does for fun.The cheerleader seems happy,thrilled, ecstatic about cheering. She thinks of it as a great opportunity. She explains why she does it--read the quote.

    By the way, The charity work is not the actual cheerleading, but public appearances to benefit charities.

    Why are you so angry? How do you manage to make a living dancing, when you have such hatred toward men? Everything in life is not about money. She enjoys cheerleading. She loves the adrenaline rush from performing before a crowd.

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    ^^Where do you get the assumption that I hate men? I don't hate men. I simply pointed out that the male football players get paid more than the female cheerleaders. This is an illustration of how sexism is rooted into this society. Just because I can recognize sexism, doesn't mean I hate men.

    Also, regardless of the fact that she "enjoys" cheerleading, she should be getting paid a decent wage. Are you saying that if a musician enjoys playing live music, he/she shouldn't get paid for it? I also get the feeling that these cheerleaders are brainwashed to feel this way. They have been "programmed" to not mind getting so fucked over. Otherwise, they would walk out on the job. I certainly wouldn't stick around for $17/day. I would rather flip burgers for $7.25/hr., then at least I would make more in 3 hours than cheerleaders make in an entire day.

    But hey, if they truly don't mind getting viewed as a sex object and working their asses off for only $17/day or whatever slave pay, then to each her own. I feel sorry for them though. And it enrages me how fucked up and greedy the NFL is. I will not support the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    The link just confirms my assertion that it is a hobby. Asked why she does it, she said:

    "I love interacting with the fans on game days -- New Orleans really does have the best fans. I love doing community work and being a role model, showing that we are intelligent women who have jobs and go to school. I enjoy dancing and performing, and especially this past season, where we sold out every game, 80,000 fans, and have really gotten our name out there. Now when our song comes on and we make our entrance, the crowd just goes crazy. It's an awesome adrenaline rush. It's so cool. I wish everyone could experience it just once. "
    I wouldn't read too much into an interview soundbite. This doesn't really reinforce your case, but rather just makes it look like you are pushing and trying too hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Why are you livid? She says she has a job, this is just something she does for fun.The cheerleader seems happy,thrilled, ecstatic about cheering. She thinks of it as a great opportunity. She explains why she does it--read the quote.

    By the way, The charity work is not the actual cheerleading, but public appearances to benefit charities.

    Why are you so angry? How do you manage to make a living dancing, when you have such hatred toward men? Everything in life is not about money. She enjoys cheerleading. She loves the adrenaline rush from performing before a crowd.
    How you post around here is obviously up to you, but it does become superfluous and repetitive to continue to post the same responses to after-the-fact vents from dancers. And it does not mean that she "hates men" just because she feels that the women are being treated unfairly and doesn't buy into the hype around NFL players. C'mon now dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    ^^Where do you get the assumption that I hate men? I don't hate men. I simply pointed out that the male football players get paid more than the female cheerleaders. This is an illustration of how sexism is rooted into this society. Just because I can recognize sexism, doesn't mean I hate men.

    Also, regardless of the fact that she "enjoys" cheerleading, she should be getting paid a decent wage. Are you saying that if a musician enjoys playing live music, he/she shouldn't get paid for it? I also get the feeling that these cheerleaders are brainwashed to feel this way. They have been "programmed" to not mind getting so fucked over. Otherwise, they would walk out on the job. I certainly wouldn't stick around for $17/day. I would rather flip burgers for $7.25/hr., then at least I would make more in 3 hours than cheerleaders make in an entire day.

    But hey, if they truly don't mind getting viewed as a sex object and working their asses off for only $17/day or whatever slave pay, then to each her own. I feel sorry for them though. And it enrages me how fucked up and greedy the NFL is. I will not support the NFL.
    We live in a capitalistic society, which runs on supply and demand. Of course the players make a ton of money. It's because they they generate billions in revenue for the NFL. They are also a very scarce resource. Cheerleaders generate insignificant income for the NFL, and the available supply is nearly unlimited. Do you seriously question why football players earn more?

    This is not a job. Cheerleaders practice a couple nights a week, and perform on 8 Sundays For three hours. This is a hobby they do for fun. And frankly, I think a lot of them DO "do it" because they like being viewed as a sex object, and as a celebrity for a few hours on Sunday, before they return to their job on Monday. And all year long they can brag that they are an NFL cheerleader who is watched by millions on Sundays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    How you post around here is obviously up to you, but it does become superfluous and repetitive to continue to post the same responses to after-the-fact vents from dancers.
    One of my pet peeves is the plague of frivolous lawsuits we have. And the assertion that cheerleaders should be paid as players, etc. etc. just pushes my buttons too. So, please excuse me while I do a little venting of my own.

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    I was a cheerleader.... I fucked hated it, but I did it for years because all my friends did it. Put a bunch of 13-17 year old girls together in a stressful environment that focuses on how you look and you have a recipe for cattiness.

    But it was hard, honestly, harder than being a dancer. I remember we had 12 hours of practice a week, that was on top of spending every commercial on TV stretching, the hours of practicing everyday so you don't continually get bumped to the back. My friend was a song girl at university (we had cheerleaders and song girls, song girls actually danced and cheerleaders just swung their pompons around) and she practiced 15, 5 3hr practices. I don't know how much footballers practice, but football was a religion at my university and those guys got cut major slack-- from missing tons of classes, getting extensions on papers, extensions on exams, and who knows what else was going on under the surface. My friend never got any kind of extension or cut any slack.

    Unfortunately it's just the age old adage of "it's a woman's job to look pretty and she shouldn't be paid for it." Cheerleading has changed a lot over the years though, and there's definitely different kinds-- I did competitive cheerleading where we competed at meets against a bunch of other teams, so we had a set routine that included dance, stunts, and tumbling. I've seen cheerleaders perform with teams that were obviously putting in the same amount of effort/practice but I've also seen some really lazy cheerleaders who just smile and flip their hair... in that scenario I don't believe you should be pulling down 50k a year, though definitely more than they are being paid now.

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    Football sucks.

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    I am so bored with this bankrupt ideology of how oh, capitalism is fair, the market decides.

    bullshit.

    Capitalism is just a system of exchanging money, it has no morals. Morality is made by people making personal decisions to do the right thing.

    And guess what, a good chunk of the people make poor decisions, wrong decisions and evil decisions.

    And they do not suffer in the market for it. The market is not about morality , it is just about money


    There is a small group of billionaires treating a small part of their workforce very poorly. Used to be a man was proud to treat his employees well, well these are very poor examples of men, and yes, they are all men

    Just because the cheerleaders, or beer vendors, or toilet cleaners or the scoreboard guy or the window washer person does not bring people into the stadium is no reason for a billionaire to treat them as sub human.

    the fact that they happen to be female in a male dominated business is no surprise.


    It annoys the crap out of me how this right wing crap has permeated conversation and opinion as if it is fact

    Capitalism is not a god to be worshiped, it is fallible, capricious and left to its own devices downright evil on occasion.

    To argue otherwise is to have no historical perspective.

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    Well, said, O!^ I gotta say this thread's getting pretty heated & stressing me a bit. Which's why I keep bumpin' the 'Jack & Jill' thread.


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    I have mixed feelings on this. I was a cheerleader for 17 years. I cheered through college until I was 22.

    I'm really surprised no one on here has brought up the fact that these girls are NOT cheerleaders, they are dancers (with the exception of maybe 1-2 teams). But I won't get into semantics. I guess that just speaks to how little attention America actually pays to the cheerleaders, and kind of proves the NFL's point.
    Did you know that the teams that do have cheerleaders (not dancers) have male members? The Baltimore Ravens have male cheerleaders. The Green Bay Packers use college cheerleaders to perform at games. Some are also male.

    But anyway, I really don't see how different this is from college or high school sports (for the ladies anyway). We practiced every single day after school. Had weekend practices. Had 'two a days' before big competitions or events (practiced two hours after school, went home, came back and did a couple more hours later that night). We missed school, traveled with the team. Cheered for football, basketball, volleyball, pep rallys, competitions, community events. College is even more work. No one gets paid and you do it because you love it.

    I understand pro "cheerleading" is getting a lot of attention because the players in this situation are making money, and they aren't in the case of high school or college (at least not openly). and I'm sure they could go ahead and pay the girls more without breaking the bank. BUT... many of these girls are college or grad school girls who are still living at home or getting financial aid. Or they are married and have support from the husband. I'm not saying it's fair to someone who wants very badly to cheer for the NFL but they can't manage it financially due to dismal "pay", but cheerleading and sports never were fair in that way. As long as it's looked upon as an enjoyable hobby by most of the girls and the people who write the checks it's not going to change.

    I also do see the liability / legal aspect that was pointed out earlier. For example, this has long been an issue with high school and college cheerleading being considered a sport. If cheerleading was made a sport it would be subject to all kinds of regulations that the cheerleaders and coaches themselves don't want. Watering down the routines, not being allowed to perform certain stunts, etc. When I was cheering for a college team we were considered a "sport" at that school and I had to wake up at 4am if someone called me to come in for a random drug test, miss sleep, potentially screw up an exam I may have been planning to study for that morning... no thanks. I would have preferred keeping our "club" status or whatever it was considered before being a sport.

    ^^ I guess what I'm trying to say is that making them real employees who get paid decently may have unintended consequences. But regardless, I do believe that as long as there is sufficient supply of willing cheerleaders/dancers, coupled with indifference of the American public and inability to draw massive revenue on their own (it's been made pretty clear that people aren't paying hundreds of dollars for tickets to see the cheerleaders)... things will either stay the same or they will just 86 the cheer team.

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    My friend was a song girl at university (we had cheerleaders and song girls, song girls actually danced and cheerleaders just swung their pompons around) and she practiced 15, 5 3hr practices. I don't know how much footballers practice, but football was a religion at my university and those guys got cut major slack-- from missing tons of classes, getting extensions on papers, extensions on exams, and who knows what else was going on under the surface. My friend never got any kind of extension or cut any slack.
    Did you go to USC? Don't get me wrong, I completely respect the dance teams (I danced too and it was a lot of work), but cheerleaders don't just swing their pom poms. I don't know of any college cheer teams that don't stunt, tumble, jump, and dance as well. Many college cheer teams perform the same tumbling as level 8. 9. and 10 gymnasts. Unfortunately (in my opinion) they still have to perform cheers at games in between the stunting and tumbling. Cheers suck, lol
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    One of my pet peeves is the plague of frivolous lawsuits we have. And the assertion that cheerleaders should be paid as players, etc. etc. just pushes my buttons too. So, please excuse me while I do a little venting of my own.
    No one said they should make as much as players but not 17 a day! With your analogies on this I can only guess how you feel about ray rice and that other ass hole! I was appauled a few of my dancer friends are like " just because he made one mistake doesn't forgo everything he did for the Ravens. None of them are returning their Jerseys. I don't get the mind set of hardcore sports fans. if you all didn't make these teams billions it would be a different ballgame. what happened to playing for the love of the sport. Maybe the ball players should just play because, you know they love to.

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    No one said they should make as much as players but not 17 a day! With your analogies on this I can only guess how you feel about ray rice and that other ass hole! I was appauled a few of my dancer friends are like " just because he made one mistake doesn't forgo everything he did for the Ravens. None of them are returning their Jerseys. I don't get the mind set of hardcore sports fans. if you all didn't make these teams billions it would be a different ballgame. what happened to playing for the love of the sport. Maybe the ball players should just play because, you know they love to.
    What Ray Rice did was horrible and inexcusable. Before I saw the elevator video, I thought the his two game suspension was ridiculously small. After seeing the video, I don't think he should be allowed to play again.

    And Adrian Petersen "switching" his child for discipline, and leaving bloody wounds, should also be gone.

    Both should serve time for their acts.

    I love football dearly, but I don't condone this type of behavior in anyone!

    And, I would love to see football return to playing for the love of the game.

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