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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    One of my pet peeves is the frivolous law suits that plague America today. Getting burned by MCDonald's coffee and suing for millions of dollars. Guess what, coffee is supposed to be hot.
    I'm sorry, I know this isn't directly relevant to this thread, but it really irks me when people reference the McDonald's coffee case as the epitome of "frivolous lawsuits."

    http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-ab...d-for-millions

    Nobody ever bothers to actually research the facts of that case. They just go with the media-projected jokes of "Oh, what a dumbass, coffee is obviously hot." Really? Hot enough to cause third degree burns? Is that really fucking necessary? Is that a joke? Is that what you want to put in your mouth or really have anywhere near you? She didn't even get as much money as people think, and most of it probably went to medical bills, and the story got dramatically twisted to make her look like an idiot.

    I think most "frivolous lawsuits" are not as frivolous as actually projected in the media. If they were, they'd end up on Judge Judy (or whoever is doing that sort of thing nowadays), not in a real courtroom. That's what the media does. That's what the opposition to the lawsuits wants to happen - for it to turn into a joke, a soundbite, nothing to be taken seriously with serious points.
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    Is 88 hours a year a job or a hobby? Is there more value to the cheerleaders to get the exposure and future career benefits from the prestige of being an NFL cheerleader as a cheerleader, or to risk all that for the chance to be paid minimum wage for 88 hours per year? Especially given that the NFL seems inclined to just cancel the squads rather than deal with this.
    I think most "frivolous lawsuits" are not as frivolous as actually projected in the media. If they were, they'd end up on Judge Judy (or whoever is doing that sort of thing nowadays), not in a real courtroom. That's what the media does. That's what the opposition to the lawsuits wants to happen - for it to turn into a joke, a soundbite, nothing to be taken seriously with serious points.
    I spoke with a business owner acquaintance who is more familiar than he ever wanted to be regarding potential 'employee' lawsuits. Where NFL cheerleaders are concerned, he points out the following possibilities ...

    - 'Bellagio / Disney Word' precedent regarding personal / physical appearance. This could lead to lawsuits by future cheerleaders who are 'dropped' from the squad, or not picked up again the following season ... and could also require NFL clubs to retain particular cheerleaders whose physical appearance has 'declined' to give those particular girls an opportunity to reverse the 'decline'.

    - Age Discrimination. This could lead to lawsuits by 'older' cheerleaders who are not picked up again the following season, despite their 100% ability to perform. There is also a potential for future lawsuits to be brought by girls who tried out for NFL cheerleader squads but who were not 'hired'.

    - Sexual Harrassment / Hostile Work Place. This amounts to a Pandora's Box full of future lawsuit possibilities.

    My acquaintance also mentioned that, since media exposure is a central reason for girls to seek work as NFL cheerleaders, the media exposure resulting from future lawsuits is likely to provide a strong motivation for such lawsuits to be brought.

    However, my acquaintance agrees that the 'handwriting is on the wall' regarding probable NFL club reactions to such 'employee' status lawsuits ... they will probably follow the precedent set by the Buffalo Bills and simply abolish the cheerleading squads, because 'employee' status would create more potential 'problems', and more potential bad publicity, than the cheerleading squads are 'worth' to the clubowners.
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    What is this shit I am now reading about the NFL being a Non-Profit organization??

    "The National Football League is the world’s most popular and wealthiest sports league. It earns more than $9 billion in annual revenue. But did you know that the NFL is considered a tax-exempt nonprofit under U.S. law? NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell makes over $44 million a year, which means that the leader of this “nonprofit” makes millions more than the CEOs of for-profit companies like Coca-Cola and Walmart."


    Regardless of the tax status, the NFL indisputably brings in billions of dollars a year. But won't even pay minimum wage to its dancers--even if it's only 88 hours a year--it'll disband the cheerleading squads instead.


    This screams 'CHEAP MOTHERFUCKERS' to me. This dipshit Goodell making 44 million a year and refusing to shell out a few hundred for the female athletes promoting the sport?


    They are in effect throwing quarters at their own strippers, and telling them they ought to be grateful for it. Actually they are throwing wooden nickels, when it comes down to it.


    The fact that we have people here in a stripper forum posting that cheerleaders don't even deserve minimum wage makes me want to vomit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post
    I'm sorry, I know this isn't directly relevant to this thread, but it really irks me when people reference the McDonald's coffee case as the epitome of "frivolous lawsuits."

    No need to apologize, not when we have people claiming that the multi-millionaires & billionaires running the NFL are being 'extorted' and 'stolen' from.

    Clearly this woman was only trying to 'extort' money from McDonalds when she rejected their initial offer of EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS in compensation for THESE BURNS:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I spoke with a business owner acquaintance who is more familiar than he ever wanted to be regarding potential 'employee' lawsuits. Where NFL cheerleaders are concerned, he points out the following possibilities ...

    - 'Bellagio / Disney Word' precedent regarding personal / physical appearance. This could lead to lawsuits by future cheerleaders who are 'dropped' from the squad, or not picked up again the following season ... and could also require NFL clubs to retain particular cheerleaders whose physical appearance has 'declined' to give those particular girls an opportunity to reverse the 'decline'.

    - Age Discrimination. This could lead to lawsuits by 'older' cheerleaders who are not picked up again the following season, despite their 100% ability to perform. There is also a potential for future lawsuits to be brought by girls who tried out for NFL cheerleader squads but who were not 'hired'.

    - Sexual Harrassment / Hostile Work Place. This amounts to a Pandora's Box full of future lawsuit possibilities.

    My acquaintance also mentioned that, since media exposure is a central reason for girls to seek work as NFL cheerleaders, the media exposure resulting from future lawsuits is likely to provide a strong motivation for such lawsuits to be brought.

    However, my acquaintance agrees that the 'handwriting is on the wall' regarding probable NFL club reactions to such 'employee' status lawsuits ... they will probably follow the precedent set by the Buffalo Bills and simply abolish the cheerleading squads, because 'employee' status would create more potential 'problems', and more potential bad publicity, than the cheerleading squads are 'worth' to the clubowners.
    The purpose of having laws to protect employees is to prevent extreme forms of exploitation. Given the popularity of the cheerleaders, especially in warmer markets that Buffalo (pretty much anywhere), I would be shocked if most teams did away with their squads. This is the second major reason guys watch football. And certainly, the teams can afford to pay the cheerleaders. The same horrible consequences were predicted when football players exercised their right as employees to join a union. Obviously, teams did not go out of business, but the employees (the players) started to make a lot more money.
    Anyone who works for a living should not resent efforts by any workers to get paid for their work. (Ok, especially someone who does such similar work and who runs into people every day who do not understand why the performer expects or even wants to be paid).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMike1952 View Post
    Anyone who works for a living should not resent efforts by any workers to get paid for their work. (Ok, especially someone who does such similar work and who runs into people every day who do not understand why the performer expects or even wants to be paid).
    EXACTLY.

    This thread is rapidly becoming a fucking joke. 'Better not actually PAY HIGHLY TALENTED WOMEN for their efforts! Not even minimum fucking wage...which they clearly do NOT deserve...It could lead to all kinds of nasty lawsuits!!'

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    ^^^ again, I don't think that anyone is actually saying that NFL cheerleaders shouldn't pursue 'employee' lawsuits, or don't deserve to earn more money. What IS being said is that, much like similar 'employee' lawsuits brought by strippers, the end result could very well do more harm than good in 'real world' terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I don't think that anyone is actually saying that NFL cheerleaders shouldn't pursue 'employee' lawsuits, or don't deserve to earn more money.
    That is exactly and precisely what is being said, right here in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    What IS being said is that, much like similar 'employee' lawsuits brought by strippers, the end result could very well do more harm than good in 'real world' terms.
    There is an enormous difference between the lawsuits. Those dancers had the opportunity to make all kinds of money. NFL cheerleaders are being told they aren't even worth minimum wage, when they are as highly skilled as those bozos out on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I hadn't planned to post any further in this thread, but if folks are gonna continue to direct comments at me, let me just respond with a couple comments.

    Audrey, I don't dispute that the cheerleading you are referring to requires great skill, great commitment and a huge amount of practice. I have seen cheerleader competitions on ESPN, and they are amazing to watch. It certainly is as difficult as any other sport. I am not disputing that. However, cheerleading in the NFL is nothing like it, at least at the games I've been to or seen on TV. Essentially, in the NFL, they stand on the sidelines and shake pom poms. They do a little more than that, but not much. They do none of the physical routines that you are describing.

    Perhaps extortion is too strongly charged word to use, but my point is, that from a legal perspective, they are not employees, they are volunteers. They are trying to use the legal system to change that to be treated as an employee. One of my pet peeves is the frivolous law suits that plague America today. Getting burned by MCDonald's coffee and suing for millions of dollars. Guess what, coffee is supposed to be hot.

    Right or wrong, the NFL doesn't consider it a job worth paying for. If you don't want to cheerlead for them as a volunteer, move on. They are not obligated to create a new job/position called cheerleader. In fact, there are many women who would kill for the chance to be a volunteer cheerleader. They turn away thousands every year.

    If the legal system decides that this is, in fact a job, and not a volunteer position, then the NFL would have to either pay minimum wage, or cancel the cheerleading squads. Most likely, if the NFL is forced to treat cheerleading as a job, they will just cancel the squads.

    Consider, that even if the NFL kept the cheerleaders and paid minimum wage, that would still amount to a very part time job, certainly not enough to live on. They practice twice a week for 4 hours, and they perform at 8 home games per year. So this job would be for 11 hours per week for eight weeks. That's about 88 hours per year of paid time (plus any special appearances). A regular job is 1,680 hours per year.

    Is 88 hours a year a job or a hobby? Is there more value to the cheerleaders to get the exposure and future career benefits from the prestige of being an NFL cheerleader as a cheerleader, or to risk all that for the chance to be paid minimum wage for 88 hours per year? Especially given that the NFL seems inclined to just cancel the squads rather than deal with this.
    You do know that many of these women work more than just the games? They are expected to do public appearances, etc and apparently they have to give most of that money to the team. That isn't fair. Let me guess, you're one of those...who sits and watches football but have never participated in sports. I know a lot like that who don't realize the cheerleaders do in fact work hard. They should be paid, especially since there are standards they have to keep up (makeup, hair etc).

    Let's also not forget the NFL is one of the most misogynist organizations ever. Look at how they have handled recent issues. It's known that many football players are scum. Not all, many are decent people (my dad worked for a company partly owned by a football legend who was a genuine good guy and well loved by everyone) but not too many. It starts early on. To give an example when I was in high school the star of the team beat up his cheerleader girlfriend in the hallway and no one did anything. Why? because football players get away with too much. Other football players got passed in classes because they were players.
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    DJ, you keep running the minimum wage argument up the flag pole like it is the real issue here. It isn't. Employee status does a hell of a lot more than require paying minimum wage. It affords a variety of federal and state mandated workplace protections that don't exist for volunteers and/or contractors and failure to provide these protections opens you up to lawsuits.

    Melonie laid it out very well in post 102 and she was not exaggerating in the slightest. If cheerleaders became statutory employees, then the next NFL lawsuit we will be reading about will be 13 bitter ex-cheerleaders claiming that fans verbally harrassed them, or they felt pressured to sleep with players, or...you name it. It will be a matter of when, not if, and the number will likely be a lot higher than $1.25 million. Seriously, how in the world can you possibly control all of those variables in highly charged atmospheres with screaming fans, scantily clad cheerleaders and idolized NFL players? Also, what is the sense of keeping a cheerleading squad when you cannot cull them out as they get old, fat or both?

    So yes, the owners will likely shut the squads down if they must treat cheerleaders as employees. There is no way that they are going to leave themselves open to those types of lawsuits, which are not only possible but very likely, nor would they want to leave themselvess open to all of the bad PR associated with those suits. It just ain't gonna' happen.
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    It is unlikely that refusing them employee status has any logical basis other than this is how we do it, and it is also unlikely to save them from any lawsuits about anything, as once you are a defacto employee, the lack of paying you is irrelevant. You work under team direction, in team facilities, according to rules promulgated by the team, you are an employee. IF a CEO sexually harasses a wall street intern, she sues same as an employee. Insulating the team from lawsuits is no excuse for allowing them to be treated poorly,and reflects the same if they are or are not employees. It is the teams fault, it is their responsibility to know how everyone in their facility is being paid/treated and act accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    DJ, you keep running the minimum wage argument up the flag pole like it is the real issue here. It isn't.
    The hell it isn't. It's been posted repeatedly and emphatically that these highly talented women should not even expect minimum wage. THAT is what is being run up the fucking flagpole. I am amazed that anyone would even dream of posting that kind of thing in a forum devoted to women entertaining men by dancing for them.

    Furthermore, the very idea that they should be treated...GASP!...as employees is being touted as opening the floodgates of hell, communism, and god knows what other nightmarish possibilities.

    Once again, it's quite simple. Either you believe these women who are busting their asses for all the men out there--players and fans and OWNERS alike--deserve to be paid for their effort, or you don't.

    Repeatedly raising the objection that this will lead to waves of unwarranted lawsuits is paranoid IMO. I don't see a bunch of grannies working at Hooters (though truthfully I haven't been to one in many, many years), or the various spinoff restaurant chains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    You do know that many of these women work more than just the games? They are expected to do public appearances, etc and apparently they have to give most of that money to the team. That isn't fair. Let me guess, you're one of those...who sits and watches football but have never participated in sports. I know a lot like that who don't realize the cheerleaders do in fact work hard. They should be paid, especially since there are standards they have to keep up (makeup, hair etc).

    Let's also not forget the NFL is one of the most misogynist organizations ever. Look at how they have handled recent issues. It's known that many football players are scum. Not all, many are decent people (my dad worked for a company partly owned by a football legend who was a genuine good guy and well loved by everyone) but not too many. It starts early on. To give an example when I was in high school the star of the team beat up his cheerleader girlfriend in the hallway and no one did anything. Why? because football players get away with too much. Other football players got passed in classes because they were players.
    Kelly, I did mention special appearances. I believe those are done for charity, not for profit.

    I was on the cross country track team in high school. I was far too skinny to play football. Maybe I chose track, because it helped me evade football players.

    I agree that many football players get preferential treatment in school, and certainly some do qualify as scum. The NFL has looked the other way, or perhaps even covered up misconduct by their players. That is totally wrong, and it looks like recent events with Ray Rice and Adrian Petersen may finally force them to address this.

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    DJ, Hooters has been sued multiple times already. Google it. They were even sued by a group of guys who felt discriminated against, which led to a multi-million dollar settlement and the chain agreeing to reserve 3 male slots in each outlet. Hooters will likely be sued again in the future. They are willing to deal with it because they must if they wish to operate using their current sales gimmick - it is a cost of doing business.

    I sincerely doubt that an NFL team is going to open itself up to the same litigation exposure, including legal costs, settlement awards and just general headaches, over non-essential cheerleading squads. It ain't gonna' happen. So if these 13 ex-cheerleaders get their few bucks then you might be cheering, but most current and future NFL cheerleaders won't be.

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    It is unlikely that refusing them employee status has any logical basis other than this is how we do it, and it is also unlikely to save them from any lawsuits about anything, as once you are a defacto employee, the lack of paying you is irrelevant
    ummm ... not really !!! see

    (snip)"Lihuan Wang took an unpaid broadcasting internship at Phoenix Satellite Television’s New York office in late 2009. She expected to amass some work experience and maybe a few references. Instead, her supervisor invited her to lunch and to his hotel room, where, she alleged in a court case, he threw his arms around her, forcibly kissed her and squeezed her buttocks.

    Then a Syracuse University student, Wang says she resisted his advances—and did so again later when he invited her to Atlantic City, N.J.—and as a result, she wasn’t able to get a job at Phoenix.

    Realizing she wasn’t the only employee to experience such abuse, she filed a suit against the company in 2013. The claim was tossed—but not because she wasn’t subject to a hostile work environment. Judge Kevin Castel found that Wang was not actually an employee and, as such, wasn’t protected by the New York City Human Rights Law."(snip)


    DJ, Hooters has been sued multiple times already. Google it. They were even sued by a group of guys who felt discriminated against, which led to a multi-million dollar settlement and the chain agreeing to reserve 3 male slots in each outlet. Hooters will likely be sued again in the future. They are willing to deal with it because they must if they wish to operate using their current sales gimmick - it is a cost of doing business.
    Indeed, one of the most recent Hooters lawsuits is directly relevant to this thread topic !!! From

    (snip)In the case of the (not-so) hefty Hooters girl, it's unlikely that any landmark weight discrimination judgments will be made. It just so happens that Michigan is the only state in the U.S. with a specific weight discrimination law. San Francisco, Santa Cruz and the District of Columbia also have weight discrimination laws where overweight and obese people know for certain that they are playing on a level employment field.

    More than likely Hooters will settle the lose-it-or-leave-it case rather than take it to trial. After that Undercover Boss "reindeer game" incident, Hooters doesn't really need to give Americans another highly publicized reason to be hated.(snip)

    Thus The Wolverines, 49ers and Redskins all directly face potential 'weight discrimination' based lawsuits if their cheerleaders are deemed to be 'statutory employees' ... on top of the other potential 'employee rights and protections' related lawsuits mentioned previously.

    As was pointed out in the news blurb, Hooters doesn't really have any realistic option besides settling their 'weight discrimination' lawsuit ... because the Hooters business model is 100% dependent on its 'hot', scantily clad, waitstaff employees. In contrast the NFL's business model is 99% dependent on its football players, and 1% on its cheerleading squads ( not counting the 7 NFL teams that don't maintain cheerleader squads ). However, both Hooters management and NFL management do share one common trait ... neither wants more highly publicized reasons to be hated !!!
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    >>>But at least one legal expert argues that those rights should be recognized under the current law. Craig Gurian, the principal author of New York City’s 2005 Local Civil Rights Restoration Act, said that law was designed to prohibit narrow decisions like the one in Wang’s case. Gurian serves as executive director of the Anti-Discrimination Center but attended the hearing on behalf of Fair Play Legislation, a legislative advocacy group.<<<

    from the linked article. It is on its face laughable that they would not be covered, and it is no doubt a mis application of law, or a lawsuit under the wrong statute, there is no protection against assault because one is unpaid. Furthermore if civil remedies are unavailable, it makes criminal liability a risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Kelly, I did mention special appearances. I believe those are done for charity, not for profit.

    I was on the cross country track team in high school. I was far too skinny to play football. Maybe I chose track, because it helped me evade football players.

    I agree that many football players get preferential treatment in school, and certainly some do qualify as scum. The NFL has looked the other way, or perhaps even covered up misconduct by their players. That is totally wrong, and it looks like recent events with Ray Rice and Adrian Petersen may finally force them to address this.
    No, some they get paid for and apparently have to give most of the money to the owners. That's wrong because the teams are making money off these cheerleaders. I support doing something for charity and many football players have done those as well. In fact our NFL made a hit record where most of the proceeds went to charity. If someone is doing something for charity is one thing, but taking money and giving it to the NFL is another. I always see public appearances around here of football players since training camp is about 20 minutes away from me.

    Incidentally I was also a cross country runner. I joined that after cheerleading because I realized being a cheerleader was that I did athletics (the squad was very athletic)without the varsity letter. My school was big enough to have cheerleaders and a pompon squad (tried out, was accepted but went for cross country instead for the same reason).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    No, some they get paid for and apparently have to give most of the money to the owners. That's wrong because the teams are making money off these cheerleaders. I support doing something for charity and many football players have done those as well. In fact our NFL made a hit record where most of the proceeds went to charity. If someone is doing something for charity is one thing, but taking money and giving it to the NFL is another. I always see public appearances around here of football players since training camp is about 20 minutes away from me.

    Incidentally I was also a cross country runner. I joined that after cheerleading because I realized being a cheerleader was that I did athletics (the squad was very athletic)without the varsity letter. My school was big enough to have cheerleaders and a pompon squad (tried out, was accepted but went for cross country instead for the same reason).
    I had only heard of charity appearances. If they are doing for-profit events, I agree the cheerleaders should be given more money for those.

    A fellow cross country runner? I knew I liked you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I had only heard of charity appearances. If they are doing for-profit events, I agree the cheerleaders should be given more money for those.
    Why is it charity if the boss tells you he wants you to donate your time and effort to something he believes in. Charity is when I choose to spend time at the soup kitchen. When my boss tells me to spend my efforts on something he believes in, so that he can look good, I am doing work for him.

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    That has happened to me. My boss decided to volunteer me to translate for something going on at headquarters. Keep in mind I wouldn't get paid but it would help the company. I told them no pay no working more hours. I donate time and money to charities I support (animals, kids, military, diseases like cancer etc)not to things I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    It reminds me of a culture I studied in anthropology class in college. If any member of the village had too much success on their farm, they believed it was due to the farmer working in league with evil spirits, so they would trash the successful person's farm. As a result this village never rose above the poverty level, because anyone showing prosperity was brought down to the level of the laziest, least successful person in the village. More and more, I think this is what America has become.
    This is also called the "Crab In The Bucket" syndrome.......happens a lot in impoverished communities. It means- you can always be sure a bucket of crabs will stay contained b/c once a crab gets high enough to crawl out, the others pull it back in. The tragic thing about many humans is- they dislike the success of others because that success makes them reflect on their own failures. Not everyone is like this but enough are....It's sad.

    Back to cheerleaders- IMO the kinds of women who would actually stick themselves in the hole financially to be a cheerleader....probably have a lot more issues that would keep them unsuccessful anyways. A smart cute girl can go work at Hooters and come out ahead. If someone is just obsessed with the kind of opportunities being an NFL cheerleader affords...let them do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post

    It reminds me of a culture I studied in anthropology class in college. If any member of the village had too much success on their farm, they believed it was due to the farmer working in league with evil spirits, so they would trash the successful person's farm. As a result this village never rose above the poverty level, because anyone showing prosperity was brought down to the level of the laziest, least successful person in the village. More and more, I think this is what America has become.
    sorry sounds like something Rush made up with no idea what subsistence farming is. I call BS on that one.

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    ^^^ the first time I remember hearing a reference to 'crab mentality' was from actor Terrence Howard ...

    "“We have a crab mentality where we still pull each other down because of choices that we make.”"


    Back to cheerleaders- IMO the kinds of women who would actually stick themselves in the hole financially to be a cheerleader....probably have a lot more issues that would keep them unsuccessful anyways. A smart cute girl can go work at Hooters and come out ahead. If someone is just obsessed with the kind of opportunities being an NFL cheerleader affords...let them do it.
    ultimately, that's what this discussion is actually about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldster View Post
    sorry sounds like something Rush made up with no idea what subsistence farming is. I call BS on that one.
    I'm not clever enough to make up something that weird. It stuck in my mind all these years because it was so strange. Choose to believe it or not. Many people choose to disbelieve truths they don't like, so you are in good company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I'm not clever enough to make up something that weird. It stuck in my mind all these years because it was so strange. Choose to believe it or not. Many people choose to disbelieve truths they don't like, so you are in good company.
    Don't you want to actually do the work of citing your old textbook and the section it was in? Otherwise your post comes off as an opinion being faked as fact.
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