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    Question Racialized Experiences and General Race Discussion

    Due to a lot of interesting side topics and whispering about how "off topic" some conversations were, I decided to go ahead and make this a general racialized microaggression and discussion thread.
    This is a safe space to vent about racialized experiences, a place to seek clarity/understanding/healthy discussion about race related topics, or to freely and openly share information about race related things.
    If you can't handle the conversation, don't engage in talking about it. It saves us all the headache of feeling like what's being said doesn't matter.
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    I don't want to spark any arguments, offend anybody, or hurt any feelings, but I do want to host this discussion here. I have seen several ladies here speak with conviction and passion about things and I want to see what opinions can be had about this. I'm not saying, I'm just paraphrasing and copy-pasting.
    I was talking with a friend of mine about this who's a stripper and cam girl and she had these points to make:
    White women are the highest valued sex worker. Thereafter are Asian women, Latina women, any Brown woman of color (Arab, Punjabi, Indigenous, Multiracial, light to medium brown-toned visual minorities). Then the bottom tier is Black women.
    Black women are ranked in value by complexion with lighter skintones ranking highest and darker, deeper skin tones ranking at the bottom.
    The more indistinguishable and racially ambiguous a girl is, the higher she's valued for being exotic.
    The more White passing you are, the higher you are ranked in value.
    Black women with natural hair, especially in tighter and more coiled textures, are low ranking.

    She attributed all this to the fact that this is a business that banks on fetish and Black women are one of the lesser desired fetishes.

    However, I disagree to an extent. I think a huge part of this business is what you put into it. If you have a good personality, give a great show, and work for your money, you'll make that. But contrary to that, I do think that Black women as a whole and in general are one of the least romantically and sexually desired racial groups, especially in America, just based on stereotypes and the tradition of our natural attributes being regarded as unattractive. I've seen some women sit on Chaturbate and make $200 in a night by just staring at the camera and maybe popping out their boobs for the highest tipper. They all just so happened to be White or Latina women, but that could very well be a coincidence.

    What do you think? Do you think there's a trend for some women to make more money than others because of their race?

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    Yes and no. I believe there are customers that like certain races, but in the end it comes down to personality and how good your cam shows.

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    Yes and no. As a black woman I feel that I do well in this industry. I always put effort in the way I look on cam and I always put on a quality show. There are TONS of men that LOVE black women and love to spend their money to have a show with us. But I do understand what you mean about the ladies that stare and do nothing and get tipped 100's for basically nothing lol. It's kinda frustrating but I just push on and make my money.

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    Race factors into everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    Race factors into everything.
    You're right about that.

    I wonder if women of color make less than white women though. On average and as a whole.


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    To an extent. There are plenty of racist jerks who have zero power in their lives and try to regain that power as a customer of sex workers. Personally, I find that very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPetiteVierge View Post
    You're right about that.

    I wonder if women of color make less than white women though. On average and as a whole.
    I would love to know too.

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    I'm not sure if it was in a post I once read on here or elsewhere, but I remember hearing about a Black cam girl who told some guy how much she charges, and his response was something along the lines of "That much? But you're Black!" SMH. Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    I'm not sure if it was in a post I once read on here or elsewhere, but I remember hearing about a Black cam girl who told some guy how much she charges, and his response was something along the lines of "That much? But you're Black!" SMH. Disgusting.
    I would have blocked his ass with the quickness. But I do wish more would charge what they are worth and not settle for less...

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    I think in the sex industry there is money to be made everywhere but. as a whole white woman are always on top... its easier for them to do less work and get costumers no matter what part of the sex industry your in.Like for instance there are plenty of white woman on top pages but maybe a select few woman of color on the top page.

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    Not only the race matters in camming but nationality too, it's crazy how these people choose to value models of different races, from different locations or different nationalities. I feel this on cam everyday, i am white but i have my issues as a non-westerner.
    Yes, i believe white girls have more chances in camming industry but this depends a lot where they come from, asian, black girls, whatever race, depending where they come from also, there is a wide selection of girls on cam sites but there is racism also & will always be unfortunately.
    Fox, i agree with what u said & it baffles me all the time, they do the same with girls of other nationalities than 'westerners'. Just an example, its very random: "but you are russian" translates to 'u russian, u not worth the same money, there in ur country these money means a lot so u can do with a lot less, u dont deserve more'. There is a 'top girl' on a site that has in her room topic 'xyz country code means in fact xyz, not 'i am russian in fact and speak no damn english'. She is 'colored' & i am sure at least once in her life she faced racism but she downgrade russian girls now? Come on people, really?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    I'm not sure if it was in a post I once read on here or elsewhere, but I remember hearing about a Black cam girl who told some guy how much she charges, and his response was something along the lines of "That much? But you're Black!" SMH. Disgusting.
    You know, someone from Tumblr told me to set my rate at $1.99 simply because I was both black and new and couldn't make a profit.
    She also later suggested that I should be very open to the idea of raceplay *gag*!
    Every piece of advice she tried to give me screamed "GIRL, BYE".


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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    Not only the race matters in camming but nationality too, it's crazy how these people choose to value models of different races, from different locations or different nationalities. I feel this on cam everyday, i am white but i have my issues as a non-westerner.
    Yes, i believe white girls have more chances in camming industry but this depends a lot where they come from, asian, black girls, whatever race, depending where they come from also, there is a wide selection of girls on cam sites but there is racism also & will always be unfortunately.
    Fox, i agree with what u said & it baffles me all the time, they do the same with girls of other nationalities than 'westerners'. Just an example, its very random: "but you are russian" translates to 'u russian, u not worth the same money, there in ur country these money means a lot so u can do with a lot less, u dont deserve more'. There is a 'top girl' on a site that has in her room topic 'xyz country code means in fact xyz, not 'i am russian in fact and speak no damn english'. She is 'colored' & i am sure at least once in her life she faced racism but she downgrade russian girls now? Come on people, really?!
    I noticed that too. I noticed that women from most countries generally have lower rates (mostly because their cost of living is lower and/or they're working for a studio who gives them a fixed rate) and are treated poorer than women in countries like Canada, the United States, the UK, or even Australia. I've seen women get really quick to defend how they're basically not the "trash" of their countries. I've even seen one person here refer to women who I could only presume are the Latina women from Colombia and the Asian women from places such as the Philippines, Thailand, etc as "third world" cammers. It's disappointing to see the trend of bias based on silly things like that amongst ADULTS, you know?


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    ^^^ or the 'marginal cam girl' term i read in here some time ago, it sounds soo 'off' whatever it refers to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPetiteVierge View Post
    You're right about that.

    I wonder if women of color make less than white women though. On average and as a whole.
    In camming, or in general? I'd be curious to find out if there was a discrepancy in general.

    (although I will say, I hate the term "women of color"-- why not just say 'black' and 'hispanic'? White people don't lack color. I think that saying such things only feed the racists to believe that reverse racism is actually a prevalent thing. That is an entirely different issue though...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    In camming, or in general? I'd be curious to find out if there was a discrepancy in general.

    (although I will say, I hate the term "women of color"-- why not just say 'black' and 'hispanic'? White people don't lack color. I think that saying such things only feed the racists to believe that reverse racism is actually a prevalent thing. That is an entirely different issue though...)
    In camming.
    White people are simply not people of color. Black people, specifically, have historically been called "colored". People of color is a term used to describe all non-white people. Not just Black people and *Latinos (Hispanic can be considered very derogatory for some people. Because not all Latinos are Hispanic as in Spanish-speaking.). It isn't mean to make racists feel anything nor white people to feel anything. It's meant to give identity to people who aren't white and have generally been stripped of that. People (not saying you specifically) like to think that people who aren't making terms, spaces, and "things" for themselves is prejudicial, but it's more to have something for ourselves than "leaving white people out".


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPetiteVierge View Post
    In camming.
    White people are simply not people of color. Black people, specifically, have historically been called "colored". People of color is a term used to describe all non-white people. Not just Black people and *Latinos (Hispanic can be considered very derogatory for some people. Because not all Latinos are Hispanic as in Spanish-speaking.). It isn't mean to make racists feel anything nor white people to feel anything. It's meant to give identity to people who aren't white and have generally been stripped of that. People (not saying you specifically) like to think that people who aren't making terms, spaces, and "things" for themselves is prejudicial, but it's more to have something for ourselves than "leaving white people out".
    While this really has nothing to do with the OP's post, and I really don't know if this is the proper place to spark a debate on the issue, I'm still gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this. I feel that when you hear terms like "people of color" on Faux News or the like, such terms often come along with claims that white people are becoming victims of reverse racism in the "changing face of America," yada yada yada. Sure, it's a nice thing to have a way of saying someone is not white, because being "not white" is a significantly different experience than being "white" in America, no matter what kind of "not white" you are. I just think that it's not the *best* term to use in terms of progression into a less racist society, because it reinforces the idea of calling black people (and additionally, others) "colored," which is racist when coming from a white person.

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    Um that is is just not true. Being on the top of a cam site is about hard ass work, not race. You get the placement you earn and it's not handed to you based on your race.


    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaLovely View Post
    I think in the sex industry there is money to be made everywhere but. as a whole white woman are always on top... its easier for them to do less work and get costumers no matter what part of the sex industry your in.Like for instance there are plenty of white woman on top pages but maybe a select few woman of color on the top page.

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    I'm not sure the answer to this. But if I think on it, all of North America, and UK, some Asian cultures use subliminal messages in advertising, movies, etc ALL MEDIA. They put in place a hierarchy (if you will) man > woman, woman > children, white child > any other race etc, and because people are seeing these statements and images from birth I think that is what affects their 'preferences.' They think it is their preference but it's not. It has been programmed into them from a young age without them realizing. Obviously this will not affect everyone, but the fact it is there so prominent and in our faces, I can't help but think this plays a huge part. So I would have to separate possibly each country to preferring a different race

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    I just think that it's not the *best* term to use in terms of progression into a less racist society, because it reinforces the idea of calling black people (and additionally, others) "colored," which is racist when coming from a white person.
    Is it?! Sorry i did not know, in my post i used the term i see people use here, in my country most people are white so i dont know how is politically correct to address to people that are not white. When i read 'colored', me as a foreigner i think of 'a different tone of dark other than raven black', just a visual thing for me. Why is this racist term?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    While this really has nothing to do with the OP's post, and I really don't know if this is the proper place to spark a debate on the issue, I'm still gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this. I feel that when you hear terms like "people of color" on Faux News or the like, such terms often come along with claims that white people are becoming victims of reverse racism in the "changing face of America," yada yada yada. Sure, it's a nice thing to have a way of saying someone is not white, because being "not white" is a significantly different experience than being "white" in America, no matter what kind of "not white" you are. I just think that it's not the *best* term to use in terms of progression into a less racist society, because it reinforces the idea of calling black people (and additionally, others) "colored," which is racist when coming from a white person.

    Not looking to change the world, just felt like sharing my opinion.
    I've never known Fox News to use the term. People who consider themselves to be the term use it more than white people as a whole from what I know. I've quite literally never heard of a white people addressing other people as anything other than "minorities" . It's not a matter of being "nice" and it's really not a contributing factor into what black people get addressed as. It's what a lot of us use as an identifier to separate ourselves from the "nice" politically correct continent-denonyn terms. I think it's fine discuss things here as long as we keep it respectful. Relevant segues seem to be fine as long as it's respectful. What's your race if you don't mind me asking


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    Um that is is just not true. Being on the top of a cam site is about hard ass work, not race. You get the placement you earn and it's not handed to you based on your race.
    "Hard ass work" BUT working with people who have preferences, the members put us on top not ourselves, if they willing to pay us then we reach the top, if not, obviously we dont lol. They dont pay everyone tho or not that much as i said above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    Um that is is just not true. Being on the top of a cam site is about hard ass work, not race. You get the placement you earn and it's not handed to you based on your race.
    Really being honest here, I think white women are regarded as more attractive and therefore profit greatly as compared to black women. A white woman will probably be the most common person on the front page of any big box site and I don't think it's due to a lack in the numbers of people of color nor work ethic on people of color's part.


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    two carefully worded comments ...

    - unlike certain strip clubs, no girl is denied the opportunity to work as a camgirl during whatever hours she chooses

    - camgirl incomes stem directly from individual webcam customer spending decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    Is it?! Sorry i did not know, in my post i used the term i see people use here, in my country most people are white so i dont know how is politically correct to address to people that are not white. When i read 'colored', me as a foreigner i think of 'a different tone of dark other than raven black', just a visual thing for me. Why is this racist term?!
    It was used during slavery and segregation in the US at a time when black people were believed to be partial humans and treated like animals.


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