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    Duh Dear streamate (my letter to you)


    This will be all over the place, kind of like my placement.
    I hate you right now.
    I've been loyal to your website. I was a row 3 performer making 70+ an hour, 100 on goodnights. What happened streamate? its not me it's you. you moved me to row 8, affecting my earnings and your tech issues, well where do I start. You wont let customers enter my private sessions. c2c echoes, someone got my phone number from your phone option, you let models show way! to! much! in free chat. Your killing your own website and have officially turned into a token site with your goldshows. Idont even know if I can call you a token site since you let models do 0$ GS. this I dont understand. you have no way for models to contact you other than email and you send us B.S pre-made responses and your tech team seams to be very unprofessional. Take care of your models. I do NOT want to sign up for other websites out of fear that i wont be able to make rent in a week. I'm doing porn, giving YOU 65% of my earnings and making nothing like I was. ive had hours this week where i made 5$. SERIOUSLY?? what happened to this website. its embarrassing to tell my husband i made less then minimum wage for an hour. You wouldn't even know I was on the front page with the earnings I've made this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluttyprincess View Post

    This will be all over the place, kind of like my placement.
    I hate you right now.
    I've been loyal to your website. I was a row 3 performer making 70+ an hour, 100 on goodnights. What happened streamate? its not me it's you. you moved me to row 8, affecting my earnings and your tech issues, well where do I start. You wont let customers enter my private sessions. c2c echoes, someone got my phone number from your phone option, you let models show way! to! much! in free chat. Your killing your own website and have officially turned into a token site with your goldshows. Idont even know if I can call you a token site since you let models do 0$ GS. this I dont understand. you have no way for models to contact you other than email and you send us B.S pre-made responses and your tech team seams to be very unprofessional. Take care of your models. I do NOT want to sign up for other websites out of fear that i wont be able to make rent in a week. I'm doing porn, giving YOU 65% of my earnings and making nothing like I was. ive had hours this week where i made 5$. SERIOUSLY?? what happened to this website. its embarrassing to tell my husband i made less then minimum wage for an hour. You wouldn't even know I was on the front page with the earnings I've made this week.

    Signed, concerned top cam model. fix your shit.
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    Oh my! I haven't been on SM yet but the past week I have been hearing all kinds of technical issues going on over there which is quite ridiculous especially if they are getting the majority of the camgirl's money they earn. They should be able to afford top notch support, servers, etc for fuck sakes.

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    It has been scary on SM. I'm working 3-5 hours a night and only pulling between $14-$77 a night, with the weekends being a tad bit better. I'm scared. I'm the only income, I'm working my ass off... I don't know what to do either.
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    Like, I'm happy having my sexy pr0n everywhere, but I don't really want a bunch of clips of me popping balloons in diapers all over the place XD

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    yes! im pulling 6 hour shifts because I have no choice. 6 hours used to feel like death lol and the phone thing only happened once but that was enough to make me NEVER do phone again. Ive been camming there for 2 years, I KNOW its not me. I made this thread in hopes someone working on SM would read this and other models replies so they will do something...anything lol

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    Well..well,i think SM wont change anything.Mentioned the GS problem in another thread already.The GS are very bad idea-any cheap ass can screen cap them just like in the public cum shows on the tokens sites.Now the cheap GS are even worst,can't stress enough to even comment on them.Oh forgot to mention the GS where the show start before the pledges.SM used to make me good money but i'm no longer happy with their new "widget"(shitty cheap traffic and annoying glitches).Once the cheap traffic reach the GS, their broken asses expect to spend the same amount for privates and exclusives.



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    Fuck. I've been on vacation and have to rearrange my schedule when I get back. The world needs more Canadian doms. But alas, it is starting to get cold and there is nothing to do in Saskatchewan except spend your big ass paycheck from dangerous seasonal work on camgirls.
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    Girl NF is a good site but promote the hell out of it and I have been doing well on Arousr. Texting can be a blast and the pay is pretty good.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
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    They wont do shit about it. Many of us have sent messages into Shawn and Liz and they don't really plan to change things. Your only option is to find another site and hope for the best. SM will figure it out when all their good performers have left for new sites.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sluttyprincess View Post
    yes! im pulling 6 hour shifts because I have no choice. 6 hours used to feel like death lol and the phone thing only happened once but that was enough to make me NEVER do phone again. Ive been camming there for 2 years, I KNOW its not me. I made this thread in hopes someone working on SM would read this and other models replies so they will do something...anything lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl_Sugar View Post
    It has been scary on SM. I'm working 3-5 hours a night and only pulling between $14-$77 a night, with the weekends being a tad bit better. I'm scared. I'm the only income, I'm working my ass off... I don't know what to do either.
    Glad to know I am not the only one...

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    I stopped using the phone option 2 years ago. A paying viewer dialed my number but my phone never rang, it went straight to messaging. My prerecorded message had my phone number on it.

    I agree they allow models to show way too much in free chat. Due to one top model wearing her panties low around her hips and revealing the top of her puss, the newest trend is, you guessed it, models everywhere are wearing their panties low on their hips and showing tufts of hair and top part of lips. There is another top model who looks fabulous in daisy duke ultra mini's, so of course, another model had to one up her and made daisy duke super ultra mini's that allows both lips to flow out the sides. The other thing I am seeing is short dresses with no panties. The model pretends to cover herself with her hand but conveniently lets her hand slip for a nice 2 to 3 second free pussy flash. The "no below the waist nudity" rule has been cheesed once again but since there's a stupid amount of $0 gold shows, I don't think the guys even know there is a difference between paid chat and free chat. Especially if they log in after the show starts.

    $0 gold shows are counter productive. While one single model may see a benefit selfishly in the moment, the long term effects are counter productive as it reinforces people to spend less and not to spend at all. It also provides access to people who are underage as well as people without working credit cards. I have a very old card on file. The account has been closed for 3 years. My account is still active and I am watching those $0 buy in shows. While I agree it might have seemed like a good idea in your push to remain relevant, there are so many other cost effective ways to invent new revenue generating ideas. Instead of doing something so stupid as $0 buy in, how about you ask the models what generates the most income and come up with a streamate original offering based on that?

    I thought, "no simulated sex acts" was also in the rules yet we still see performers licking and sucking their dildos, spitting on their dildo's and tits, and even messaging themselves over the panties with it. It's worse on the male and TS sides, there's guys openly beating off with their dicks to the cam in free chat. How about paying models a minimum wage to police the site since you won't do it yourselves? I will be the first to volunteer and I'm sure there's many who would even do it for free.

    As for the 65%, I agreed to it with the assumption it was covering advertising expense, however, when I can sit on cam for 4 hours and only make $40 (my cut), this means to me the above listed issues plus counter productive advertising (selling our shows out from under us) is backfiring.

    LAST BUT NOT LEAST: FFS give us a damn privacy shade! Let us choose if we want to sit on display for 40 hours being always on in the most stressful conditions ever or allow us to remain on the site in a more relaxed environment with a privacy shade so guys aren't sitting there beating off without paying. YES, they DO beat off to models who sit in guest chat fully dressed. Guys can beat off to a voice, to the face of a fully clothed model, and anything they find arousing. It's demeaning and we should have a choice.

    It's like watching a sinking ship. For each year that passes our incoming are going down and more and more is being given away. We're training the new users to not spend as much as their predecessors, if spending at all. Do I think SM is a sinking ship? Yes because numbers don't lie.

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    ^^^ Goodness gracious girl. Could you please stop talking negative about models. PLEASE. Some of them post on this board.

    I really do believe if you stop worrying about $0 GS or what other models do in their room, you'd see your money go up. I've been there. I've been there yelling at other models behind my computer screen. But I decided it was not worth it, and stopped watching cams so much. I could be on there making money instead of watching what others do.





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    Amen to that! And a privacy shade!!!! I'm going to masturbate just thinking about that one. That would be a dream cum true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    ^^^ Goodness gracious girl. Could you please stop talking negative about models. PLEASE. Some of them post on this board.
    Just wanna underscore the above point. I get that some of y'all are having a hard time lately but it is not good for this community when every second thread contains a rant about what other chicas are doing.

    @Airrrie, recently you wrote a great post that seems to contradict a lot of what you've been posting lately vis a vis other chica's behavior:

    Quote Originally Posted by Airrrie2 View Post
    I appreciate how many performers want to be a $5 "show me your tits bb" Domme, because it makes me look even better and insures I will make my goals.
    why the 180 degree turn around?

    of course, like Audri wrote getting online and working is far more productive than scrutinizing the behavior of peers, that goes for whether one's reaction is smugness or a sense of being threatened.

    seriously, to those of y'all who wanna get into a rant-fest about peers, do it somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    Just wanna underscore the above point. I get that some of y'all are having a hard time lately but it is not good for this community when every second thread contains a rant about what other chicas are doing.

    @Airrrie, recently you wrote a great post that seems to contradict a lot of what you've been posting lately vis a vis other chica's behavior:



    why the 180 degree turn around?

    of course, like Audri wrote getting online and working is far more productive than scrutinizing the behavior of peers, that goes for whether one's reaction is smugness or a sense of being threatened.

    seriously, to those of y'all who wanna get into a rant-fest about peers, do it somewhere else.
    I think it's fabulous you try to keep things positive but the whole "lets discourage vents and change" message you send is disappointing, especially when it's only directed at one person as opposed to all of the posters who are saying the exact same thing.

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    I'm not trying to discourage vents, that's an important feature of this space. what I am trying to prevent is the pattern that's emerged recently of peeps posting insulting reviews of their peers work style, using thinly-veiled references that make it pretty apparent who is being discussed. hell, I don't work sm or watch cams there and even I know who's being discussed most of the time. It's petty, rude and passive aggressive and it creates a hostile environment. You don't own this space any more than I or any other individual member does so what I'm saying is that we need to treat it like that, a shared space in which all cammers who chose to participate feel welcome. This thread is the second time in as many days that a chica who is a member here is being targeted and picked apart by someone having a bad day.

    I addressed you in my post above because your posts today have been the ones I've gotten reports about but this goes for everyone. by all means vent away, but targeting specific peers as a cause of one's issues isn't ok here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    ^^^ Goodness gracious girl. Could you please stop talking negative about models. PLEASE. Some of them post on this board.

    I really do believe if you stop worrying about $0 GS or what other models do in their room, you'd see your money go up. I've been there. I've been there yelling at other models behind my computer screen. But I decided it was not worth it, and stopped watching cams so much. I could be on there making money instead of watching what others do.
    Misdirecting attention from breaking the rules is equally misguided. The rules say no below the waist nudity and no simulated sex acts. We could all be making money. I'm going to start making money by taking some screen caps and turning those models (many of which post here, tip toe on eggshells so we don't offend them) in to SM for breaking said rules.

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    I agree, SM has been messing up lately but perhaps you can get a hold of model services to see if they can help. All you can really do is get on and try.

    As for you, Airrie2:

    You'd make more than $40 in 4 hours if you actually stayed out of the rooms of others. You've not only admitted to watching other hustler's cam, you've jumped on your 3 yr old customer's account just to watch a $0 GS, the same GS you're criticizing. If those $0 GS are pissing you off so much, why are you watching them under a customer's account?! My advice to you is to work your room to make your goals and stay out of the room of others. That hatred, anger, and jealously you're holding onto is festering and poisoning your work.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Airrrie2 View Post
    Misdirecting attention from breaking the rules is equally misguided. The rules say no below the waist nudity and no simulated sex acts. We could all be making money. I'm going to start making money by taking some screen caps and turning those models (many of which post here, tip toe on eggshells so we don't offend them) in to SM for breaking said rules.
    Are you new? I don't think you get it. SM DOESN'T CARE! You're spending way, way too much time stalking cams and not enough time in your OWN camroom hustling these men for $$. SM only cares about you/models lining their pockets. If you're not making them and yourself money, find another site to work on. I'll have you know that you will find out very quickly that sites don't care about rule breakers all that much. If they're making a buck they will look the other way. Sucks but you can give yourself peace of mind by minding your own business and hustling your coins and not losing sleep over what other models are doing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    I'm not trying to discourage vents, that's an important feature of this space. what I am trying to prevent is the pattern that's emerged recently of peeps posting insulting reviews of their peers work style, using thinly-veiled references that make it pretty apparent who is being discussed. hell, I don't work sm or watch cams there and even I know who's being discussed most of the time. It's petty, rude and passive aggressive and it creates a hostile environment. You don't own this space any more than I or any other individual member does so what I'm saying is that we need to treat it like that, a shared space in which all cammers who chose to participate feel welcome. This thread is the second time in as many days that a chica who is a member here is being targeted and picked apart by someone having a bad day.

    I addressed you in my post above because your posts today have been the ones I've gotten reports about but this goes for everyone. by all means vent away, but targeting specific peers as a cause of one's issues isn't ok here.

    Yeah I'm pretty frustrated and I openly admit it. Part of my frustration is we all see who is breaking the rules and making life much more difficult than it has to be but we seem to have this kind of new found written respect for them even though they haven't earned it. I understand your point loveshooks, I really do. I also respect you as a mod, a model and as a person. The difference is you have earned my respect.

    I hereby protest the don't embarrass the rule breakers rule. I mean when do we begin to start standing up for ourselves and start crying foul?

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    If the site doesn't care then there's nothing any of us can do to change it. Make free chat what you want it to be about and try to ignore the others who break rules. Streamate is becoming like MFC and you can either adapt or find a new site. Try a new site, I did and I am loving to not have to rely on one site to make my goal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Airrrie2 View Post
    I stopped using the phone option 2 years ago. A paying viewer dialed my number but my phone never rang, it went straight to messaging. My prerecorded message had my phone number on it.

    I agree they allow models to show way too much in free chat. Due to one top model wearing her panties low around her hips and revealing the top of her puss, the newest trend is, you guessed it, models everywhere are wearing their panties low on their hips and showing tufts of hair and top part of lips. There is another top model who looks fabulous in daisy duke ultra mini's, so of course, another model had to one up her and made daisy duke super ultra mini's that allows both lips to flow out the sides. The other thing I am seeing is short dresses with no panties. The model pretends to cover herself with her hand but conveniently lets her hand slip for a nice 2 to 3 second free pussy flash. The "no below the waist nudity" rule has been cheesed once again but since there's a stupid amount of $0 gold shows, I don't think the guys even know there is a difference between paid chat and free chat. Especially if they log in after the show starts.

    $0 gold shows are counter productive. While one single model may see a benefit selfishly in the moment, the long term effects are counter productive as it reinforces people to spend less and not to spend at all. It also provides access to people who are underage as well as people without working credit cards. I have a very old card on file. The account has been closed for 3 years. My account is still active and I am watching those $0 buy in shows. While I agree it might have seemed like a good idea in your push to remain relevant, there are so many other cost effective ways to invent new revenue generating ideas. Instead of doing something so stupid as $0 buy in, how about you ask the models what generates the most income and come up with a streamate original offering based on that?

    I thought, "no simulated sex acts" was also in the rules yet we still see performers licking and sucking their dildos, spitting on their dildo's and tits, and even messaging themselves over the panties with it. It's worse on the male and TS sides, there's guys openly beating off with their dicks to the cam in free chat. How about paying models a minimum wage to police the site since you won't do it yourselves? I will be the first to volunteer and I'm sure there's many who would even do it for free.

    As for the 65%, I agreed to it with the assumption it was covering advertising expense, however, when I can sit on cam for 4 hours and only make $40 (my cut), this means to me the above listed issues plus counter productive advertising (selling our shows out from under us) is backfiring.

    LAST BUT NOT LEAST: FFS give us a damn privacy shade! Let us choose if we want to sit on display for 40 hours being always on in the most stressful conditions ever or allow us to remain on the site in a more relaxed environment with a privacy shade so guys aren't sitting there beating off without paying. YES, they DO beat off to models who sit in guest chat fully dressed. Guys can beat off to a voice, to the face of a fully clothed model, and anything they find arousing. It's demeaning and we should have a choice.

    It's like watching a sinking ship. For each year that passes our incoming are going down and more and more is being given away. We're training the new users to not spend as much as their predecessors, if spending at all. Do I think SM is a sinking ship? Yes because numbers don't lie.

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    I hate $0 shows but I agree with audritwo. I'm over it... Can't change it, so fuck it.

    This happens every year.... The Streamatepocolypse!!!!!!!!!

    I dunno... SM is still awesome for me. I'm not one to go full force with the "positive thinking" stuff but I will say... Once I gave myself a serious attitude adjustment, my experience with SM did a 180 and back to the awesome I was used to.

    I'm just saying... Don't be afraid to look at yourself for the solution to your SM woes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kortneykay View Post
    Are you new? I don't think you get it. SM DOESN'T CARE! You're spending way, way too much time stalking cams and not enough time in your OWN camroom hustling these men for $$. SM only cares about you/models lining their pockets. If you're not making them and yourself money, find another site to work on. I'll have you know that you will find out very quickly that sites don't care about rule breakers all that much. If they're making a buck they will look the other way. Sucks but you can give yourself peace of mind by minding your own business and hustling your coins and not losing sleep over what other models are doing.

    This I know. You are 100% correct which is why I feel we should throw out the don't call em out and embarrass them in public rule. I am over the whole you have to learn how to adapt crap. I'm also tired of dealing with pervs asking for free paid services because there's one or two models who are exceptions to the rules, it's not cool.

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    Where there are rules they will be broken. I worked on AW and that was my main site (and MFC at one point) and they don't really have too many rules.
    Do goldshows really affect your earnings? Or is it just a bad time right now?
    I have seen countless girls complaining about bad earnings this month from about 5 different cam sites. Not just one.

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    This was a big fad about a year ago and it severely backfired on the models who decided to take it upon themselves to police the site. SM does not support models policing models. I think they even banned a few of the ones doing the policing, if I remember correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airrrie2 View Post
    Misdirecting attention from breaking the rules is equally misguided. The rules say no below the waist nudity and no simulated sex acts. We could all be making money. I'm going to start making money by taking some screen caps and turning those models (many of which post here, tip toe on eggshells so we don't offend them) in to SM for breaking said rules.
    xoxo ~ Sarah




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