Which of these is the fireable offense? Wife beating, Theft, Assault, Drug Use, Lying in official proceedings, DUI?
Turns out the only 2 offenses that are taken seriously are drug use and stealing! Suddenly I feel much less safe.![]()
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Which of these is the fireable offense? Wife beating, Theft, Assault, Drug Use, Lying in official proceedings, DUI?
Turns out the only 2 offenses that are taken seriously are drug use and stealing! Suddenly I feel much less safe.![]()
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“What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.” - ECKHART TOLLE





Check this out : http://m.theatlantic.com/national/ar...ngle_page=true
Law Enforcement has far more abusers than the NFL!
" .......There's also the lawsuit alleging that the LAPD "attempted to bury a case of sexual assault involving two of its officers, even telling the victim not to seek legal counsel after she came forward."
The context for these incidents is a police department with a long history of police officers who beat their partners. Los Angeles Magazine covered the story in 1997. A whistleblower went to jail in 2003 when he leaked personnel files showing the scope of abuse in the department. "Kids were being beaten. Women were being beaten and raped. Their organs were ruptured. Bones were broken," he told L.A. Weekly. "It was hard cold-fisted brutality by police officers, and nothing was being done to protect their family members. And I couldn’t stand by and do nothing.”
Subsequently, Ms. Magazine reported, a "review of 227 domestic violence cases involving LAPD officers confirmed that these cases were being severely mishandled, according to the LAPD Inspector-General. In more than 75 percent of confirmed cases, the personnel file omitted or downplayed the domestic abuse. Of those accused of domestic violence, 29 percent were later promoted and 30 percent were repeat offenders. The review and the revelation led to significant reforms in the LAPD's handling on police officer-involved domestic violence."
“What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.” - ECKHART TOLLE





Adding further trauma to injury:
"There have been plenty of other reports published this year of police officers perpetrating domestic abuse, and then there's another horrifying, perhaps related phenomenon: multiple allegations this year of police officers responding to domestic-violence emergency calls and raping the victim. Here's the Detroit Free Press in March:
The woman called 911, seeking help from police after reportedly being assaulted by her boyfriend. But while police responded to the domestic violence call, one of the officers allegedly took the woman into an upstairs bedroom and sexually assaulted her, authorities said.
Here is a case that The San Jose Mercury News reported the same month:
Officer Geoffrey Graves, 38, who has been with the Police Department for six years, was charged by Santa Clara County prosecutors with forcible rape in connection with a Sept. 22 incident. The incident began when Graves and three other San Jose officers responded to a family disturbance involving a married couple about 2 a.m., prosecutors said. The officers determined that both spouses had been drinking and had argued, but that no crime had occurred, authorities said.
The woman, who works as a hotel maid, told officers that she wanted to spend the night at a hotel where she had previously worked. About 2:30 a.m., Graves drove the woman to the hotel, where she went to her room alone and fell asleep, authorities said. Fifteen minutes later, the woman heard knocking and opened the door.
Then he allegedly raped her."
http://m.theatlantic.com/national/ar...ngle_page=true
“What a caterpillar calls the end of the world we call a butterfly.” - ECKHART TOLLE





Horrible but not surprised. Some cops hate women and there is this good old boys network in many departments. I've talked about when my former best friend's boyfriend attacked me, I hit back yet I was the one arrested. The cops called me a bitch and things like that.





police officer is one the favorite professions of psychopaths/sociopaths along with other positions of power. disgusting. i'm sure there are some great cops out there, but they are in the minority unfortunately, and cops are never served the same justice as anybody else





I had to go double up mysuit after reading this thread, bc I am calling serious bias on this article.
Point 1: The numbers shown were for cops accused of DV, among other crimes. ACCUSED, not CONVICTED. I didn't see anything comparing the incidence of punishment for cops to the incidence of punishment for the general population. Show me those numbers & then maybe we can have a sensible discussion abt whether or not 'cops nvr actually get punished'
Point 2: expanding on the concepts of ACCUSED vs CONVICTED -- so ... the fact alone that a person is accused of smtg, means, unquestionably, that they did it? To all you clean dancers that try to make a clean living in dirty clubs, if you get swept up in a raid w/ your dirty colleagues, does that mean that you are, in fact, GUILTY of prostitution? ... No?Why not? You've been accused, dammit! Going on the implications of this article, there is really no difference between being accused of smtg & having actually done it.
Point 3: I am not denying there are a lot of cops out there like the one Kelly described above. One of the most vicious bullies I've ever had the displeasure of dealing w/ (we went to school together 3rd thru 12th grades) is now a police officer in my hometown, & he has not exactly mellowed out in his old age. My relatives who are former cops have described coworkers who should probably be added to George Carlin's List of People Who Ought to be Killed. All that said, cops are in the position of pretty much getting shit on no matter what course of action they take, or don't take. Unfortunately, just as there are the sick POS who make false rape reports, there are ppl who try to get a partner(cop or not) locked up for DV when the argument gets out of control. Or does the old 'three sides to every story' get tossed when the accused is a cop, just bc, y'know, the accused is a cop ...
This ^^^^ is just another version of the same stereotyping bs we hear as strippers. 'Stripper is one of the favourite professions of abused/raped girls along w/ other positions of sexwork, disgusting. I'm sure there are sm nice strippers out there, but they are in the minority unfortunately' yaddayaddayadda. BC the vast majority of strippers are STI-riddled, home-wrecking drug addicts.





My first boyfriend's dad was a career cop/detective AND Vietnam veteran. I choose to believe a lot of officers are allright people BUT the way the "code" works is they cover/help other cops, whether the other cops are good or not. This has a bad effect for everyone, especially the public.
BTW The Chris Dorner ManHunt in Los Angeles began with issues like this, he felt he was punished for whistleblowing...
I don't have a lot of sympathy for police officers who feel unjustly stereotyped when they are out there abusing women and killing teenagers. Imo, the difference between things like stereotypes against strippers and stereotypes against cops is that cops have ALL the POWER, whereas typically stereotyped groups like women in general, strippers, minorities, immigrants, poor people, etc. have NONE. Yes, there is some intersectionality there (cops who are also minorities, women who are wealthy, etc.), but in general cops have an easy way to victimize powerless people, and unfortunately, people who are attracted to professions where they get to exercise that amount of power are not always the best fit to wield it. So I believe it's in my best interest to be wary of cops and avoid them as much as possible. I don't want to be a victim and I don't want to get falsely accused of anything, so if it came down to my word versus theirs, I'm sure they'd be believed over me. I'd just rather not be around them.





I haven't seen the statistics recently, but when my mom was still alive she worked with domestic abuse shelters, and at that time cops were at or near the top of the list of professions with domestic abuse problems.
Certainly doesn't mean all cops are assholes & wife beaters, any more than it means all NFL players are, just because there's a lot of publicity concerning some who are.
To add a little humor to the situation, several years ago a former cop told me the best way to get out of a DWI was to tell the cop you just had an argument with your wife or girlfriend--because (according to him) most cops had marital issues.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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Oh and I notice those statistics are from Florida (in the OP). Nothing nasty going on in this state surprises me anymore...
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You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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My problem w/ Simone's quote, & yours, is the blanket stereotyping. 'Power' has nothing to do w/ it, esp if you subscribe to the idea that stripping is empowering rather than degrading. I don't see any difference between strippers & cops here. They are alike in that, right or wrong, ppl generally either love them or hate them. There's not a lot of middle ground. They are also alike in the way they both get regularly, thoroughly shit-on by ppl who have nvr done the job & often wouldn't have the stomach to try it.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for cops who feel unjustly stereotyped when they are fking up either -- I also don't have a lot of sympathy for extras girls who have drug habits to take care of. We've been in this business long enough to know that not all strippers fall into the 'extras + drug addicts' category -- by the same token, not all cops are abusive sociopaths.
I find it interesting that in this quote here, directly from the article & from an above post:
Subsequently, Ms. Magazine reported, a "review of 227 domestic violence cases involving LAPD officers confirmed that these cases were being severely mishandled, according to the LAPD Inspector-General. In more than 75 percent of confirmed cases, the personnel file omitted or downplayed the domestic abuse. Of those accused of domestic violence, 29 percent were later promoted and 30 percent were repeat offenders. The review and the revelation led to significant reforms in the LAPD's handling on police officer-involved domestic violence."
the middle section of the paragraph was bolded, but not the last sentence, which I would think would be considered equally relevant if the article's intent (or the intent of the discussion, for that matter) were truly unbiased. Instead, the article was basically written from a 'all cops are THE DEVIL!' PoV. That's why I take issue w/ it. The author was looking to stir the pot, & definitely seems to have succeeded here.
@ Djoser -- you're right abt that -- nothing bad coming out of FL surprises me anymore either. The 'marital problems' reference is similar to a joke we have in aviation abt AIDS. For career pilots esp, AIDS often stands for Airline-Induced Divorce Syndrome![]()





The thing is, as a stripper I would honestly say that the stereotype you're describing is true Aniela... I'll probably get flamed for that, but 90% of the women I have worked with were drug addicts, unreliable, alcoholics, extremely manipulative/cunning, thieves, etc... I mean, when I look at all my years of dancing, I can honestly name like, 2 girls that I would consider GOOD people. I tend to keep to myself at work and don't really make friends, and it's honestly because I was burned so much in my first year of dancing. Whenever I come on this board I always wish the people I work with would be like the ladies here! So are there some really decent, honest, women with integrity and no drug/alcohol problems working in SCs? Yes, but they're certainly not the norm.
I was quite wild when I was younger so I've probably had more contact with the police than most people. And I have never had a good experience with a police officer until coming to the UK. In America with the LAPD I was sexually harassed by more than one cop, detained for things that I should not have been detained for and as clearly being used as an ego boost, saw blatant racial profiling, major abuse of power, had money stolen from me and was threatened into not reporting it, and I've had my car searched 3x and never once had the probable cause explained to me or seen a warrant-- I quote one officer, "oh go fuck yourself, you think you know something about the law? well let me tell you, I can use anything I was as probable cause." I got into an argument with an officer once because I had gotten into a car accident and the guy had become extremely aggressive towards me so I called the cops. When they came they talked to him first and when the cop got to me, he was barely listening to anything I said, he had clearly made up his mind. I didn't say anything nasty, but he became very aggressive with me (lovely day it was!) and reported me to DMV, he said I seemed "anxious and mentally impaired" during the interview and that I was not "psychologically capable" of getting behind the wheel. I had to be evaluated by a court psychologist, couldn't drive for the 3 months I was going through this, and then had to take a driving test again. I have absolutely no history of any kind of mental problem that would interfere with my ability to drive a car. My friend and I once called the cops because a guy followed us back to our apartment and we saw him jacking off in the street, and the officer jotted down some lazy ass notes and suggested we 'cover up some more on the street' (we were out clubbing).
Perhaps I have just encountered really horrible cops, but I can honestly say that I've had dealing with 20+ of them (I was CRAZY WILD back in the day) and not one of those instances was positive. That kind of attitude translates very much into abuse in my eyes. I'm sure there are some absolutely lovely, wonderful police men out there, but like strippers, I feel like they are far and few between.
It would be interesting to me however to see if it's traffic cops/low level police or detectives/sergeants/lieutenants, because the dealings I have had with men higher up on the food chain have been much more positive. If they keep you as a traffic cop for 30 years and never promote you, well, they know somethings wrong with you.
^^Aniela, I really do believe that power has something to do with it. Stereotypes about white Americans are not inherently harmful because white Americans are the group in power in American society. Many different images and stories about them dominate the media, so it's not hard to find examples of them doing positive and helpful things. The same is true of cops. They, by and large, control the stories put out by the media because people trust them as authority figures and take their word as gospel. I think a certain about of doubt regarding that supposed authority is healthy, especially if you're a member of a demographic likely to be victimized by people wielding authority unjustly (that is, if you're a woman, a minority, poor, homeless, a sex worker, etc.). You know, I just like to maintain a healthy distrust. It's a self-defense mechanism.





i really don't like fighting with cool people, but as this is a subject that i am extremely passionate about...like i said, i'm sure not ALL cops are like that, but its absolutely true that the profession attracts a lot of sociopaths and psychopaths, its just a cold fact.
look at what's happening in this country right now, its run by bullies who do what they want, when they want, with close to no consequences!! and i think its high time that riots break out because of police brutality.all i see in the news on a daily basis is stories about cops beating, molesting, killing, and assaulting people, and getting off scott free ( oh ok, maybe they get a paid vacation in there somewhere). and speaking of officer darren wilson who decided to shoot the black kid in ferguson, 4 years prior the same law enforcement agency wrongfully arrested a man, beat him within an inch of his life, and charged him with bleeding on their uniforms. no consequences for them, even though they committed perjury during the hearing. those are just two of hundreds that happen daily. statistically speaking, americans have much more to fear from police than terrorists, considering many more have been killed by cops..not to mentioned beaten, wrongfully arrested, etc.
and yes i know my experiences ( which have included sexual harassment, my 8 year old sister being threatened and screamed at, wrongful arrest,inappropriate touching, lying on a report, theft of my belongings while i was being cuffed,) dont mean that something is 100% but i can honestly say i've only met one cop that had any compassion or humanity. they are absolutely in a position of power and authority and get preferential treatment even if they've committed heinous crimes. they are not subject to the same laws or consequences in all reality. whereas strippers are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to getting justice and are shit on constantly by society just because they take their clothes off and we live in a puritanical culture..but cops got a bad rep all on their own.
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I have to agree. I wish I had danced with women like on this board but most weren't. They were either druggies/alcoholics, single moms (not always bad but just saying), women with abusive boyfriends/pimps, and just nasty bitches. Most were dancing because they had no other choices as most were uneducated (quite a few were high school dropouts). I too was burned while dancing early on because I naively thought the stereotypes were wrong but they weren't. I got mixed up in various fights (I didn't fight or was attacked, talking drama wars) and found that the ones I thought I could trust were the worst. After that I kept to myself except to make small talk like if it was slow but never tried to make friends again.





This is called the "BLUE LINE." This has the effect of allowing some cops to be THUGS and THIEFS.
If a COP turns in another cop maybe he/she is one not to be trusted when assisting another cop under fire. I believe this the operative thought pattern
I have seen cops use excess force (even video recorded) and they get away with it after investigation with no blemish of their record, where if a civilian did this, even to protect himself, that civilian would be summarily arrested and brought to court and would have to hire a lawyer at his expense. But for cops their union pays the lawyer and has a lot off 'pull' with the prosecuting attorney. And the BLUE LINE mentality promotes other cops to lie to back up the accused cop's story.
BTW I obtained a lot of this information from an ADA that I knew a few years ago.
Shabby? Most certainly it is. Shouldn't cops be a role model for legal behavior? At least while they are in uniform?
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

I think this issue can be addressed without stereotyping. Most cops are not wife beaters. Most cops do not kill unarmed black men. Most cops do not use their authority to obtain sexual favors from sex workers. However, they do work in a culture that encourages them to protect their own. They are also charged with investigating and taking action on allegations of domestic abuse, homicide or sexual assault. If they are investigating an issue involving one of their own, they are likely to handle it differently than when it involves an ordinary citizen. This difference in treatment helps to create the stereotype.


I am inclined to believe the standards for passing the psychological pre exams and the educational requirements to enter police training have been significantly lowered in the recent past but that doesn't explain history. Consider there were actions street cops were taking before, during and after the civil rights movement which prompted the FBI to investigate several police agencies for practices they considered standard but clearly were in violation of human rights. The police system has always been corrupt because it was set up in a way that is easy for bad cops to manipulate, and for every time a new policy is enacted to safeguard the public, a new law is enacted to strip away those safeguards. The media of the past was also self described as being respectful to the privacy of celebrities, politicians, law makers and law enforcement. In todays culture with so many camera phones and instant internet reports by the general public, the established media is being pushed to new boundaries and we are hearing more and more of what really goes on out there.
I see lots of positive change because our worlds are less transparent but at the same time, transparency is a frightening thing without regulation (I refer back to my mugshot post). Good cops do report bad cops but the public rarely hears about it because good cops fear fraternal repercussions. It sucks when we live in a world where trust is not established by good ethics and working standards, but by how well you stand by your old boy when he's done something wrong.





The Michael Brown case actually kinda proves my point. Now, I wasn't there. Any1 who was, step on up!
Part of the problem w/ the Michael Brown case is that in the court of public opinion, a white officer shooting a black suspect only does it for one reason. There's no such thing as a white officer shooting a black suspect bc the suspect is actually acting aggressively, threateningly, to the point where the officer would be in fear for his life. Did the kid deserve to get capped? I DON't KNOW bc I wasn't there, I am in no way trying to say that he did, & there has been so much fur flying around that whole flustercluck, from both sides, that I'm inclined to reserve judgment until ALL of the facts are in. If it was truly the cop who fked up, then the cop fked up. If not, then what?
I can think of a few areas where that could have happened, had it not been in Ferguson. Sm of my relatives worked in those areas. White cops working all-black, or almost-all black neighbourhoods, & they faced the same problems as the officer in Ferguson 'Oh you only picked on/arrested/shot him bc he's black'. One of them arrested only a single white person in 3+ yrs, simply bc in the part of town he worked, white ppl for the most part didn't go there.
Anyway -- so Michael Brown was accused (there's that word again!) of attacking a shopkeeper, robbing him, then attacking a police officer. Accused, not convicted or even charged. All three of those words mean different things. Yet while you're complaining abt how the kid's civil rights were violated, & how he should have been treated as innocent until proven guilty, you're unwilling to extend the same to a police officer who is accused of [insert hot-button crime here], simply bc they are a cop. Again, I'm pointing out that the numbers above are for cops who were ACCUSED -- not CHARGED & not CONVICTED.
Sry, I don't see much difference in deciding guilt soley on the accused's race & deciding it soley on their profession.





Aniela you make great point.





I will agree with you there... the media knows that there is so much anger and resentment from the black community, and a huge sect of white liberals who going to jump on the bandwagon of anti-racism, that they definitely skew the facts to make cases like that look more black and white (sorry for the pun) than they are. That can be evidenced with the Trayvon Martin case, although I still believe there was major racial profiling going on there, I had a friend that followed the case very closely from a number of different news outlets and he pointed out major inconsistencies and and blatant lies that the media was pushing. But on the other hand... Rodney King.... these things to do come from a place of truth. And America is such a mixed place, I mean sorry anyone who says there is no racial profiling in the LAPD is full of shit, but that doesn't mean it translated to every place.
Psychologists have found, however, that when making a split second decision as to whether or not to shoot someone, they are more likely to decide on 'yes' is the person is black. (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...lice-shootings)





racial profiling absolutely exists, and there are stats to back that claim up..lots of them. and i don't think a white person has the right to say that it doesn't exist when they've never experienced it ( not saying any of you have, but i hear it a lot from privileged white folk who have never even been in that position..complete arrogance. ) blacks are much more likely to be stopped, searched, harassed and arrested. the darren wilson case is one among THOUSANDS of police beating, molesting, and killing people with no consequences. in fact, a lot of times their victims are the ones who receive punishment. i could fill up ten damn pages of cops caught on tape brutalizing people, and even admitting to it, and getting away with it. so no, i don't have a lot of faith that unless a cop is convicted, well guess it never happened! i think we are all grown adults here, and none of us are naive enough to think the justice system is actually "just" or "fair" especially when it comes to covering their own sorry asses and saving themselves embarrassment and money. the brown/wilson case isn't even close to the most horrific.
Last edited by simone87; 09-26-2014 at 03:21 PM.
I think the difference in the Michael Brown case is that Brown was summarily executed. He's dead; he'll never get a fair trial. The cop is alive and well, and no amount of stereotyping cops hurts as much as being killed hurt that teenager.





Where has any1 here said that racial profiling doesn't exist? If that's where you are trying to take my last post, I would advise you to contact your metropolitan police force & enquire abt their ride-along programme, if they have one. Ask to go on several ride-alongs, not just one.
You're still not addressing the point I made that 'accusation' does not (& should not), automatically & irrevocably, mean 'guilty'. If it did there would be no need to concern ourselves w/ due process.
One of the studies cited in the article mentioned smtg like 40% of families of cops experience DV. That's it, point-blank -- 'families of cops'. It is not specific abt WHO is the perpetrator. It does not specifically say that X% of cops' families suffer DV at the hands of the cop. I think that's an important distinction.
There were a couple linked stories abt how a retired cop shot his wife, &/or another family member, then himself. The ones I looked at, THAT WAS IT. the provided links gave no further information.
Further, the link from the study saying ppl are more likely to shoot a black person than a white person -- read thru the article. it states that cops were studied along w/ regular ppl, & while there were still findings that a black person was more likely to be shot at, the increased training received by cops was shown to aid them them to look past skin colour & read other factors in deciding whether to pull the trigger.





Are you trying to argue that bc the kid will nvr get a fair trial, the cop doesn't deserve one either?
Talk is cheap -- where is the evidence that Brown was 'summarily executed'? I'm not asking 'Who said what' here I am asking, what evidence are they basing that claim on? Ballistics … autopsy … ? Cellphone video? Or are they mainly taking the fact that the cop was white & the kid was black & trying to make the case fit their own prejudices?
From what I have read of that story, Ferguson is not a city that has any love at all for the police, even b4 the Brown case. I can't see them having a whole lot of impartiality when it comes to the police, regardless of whether the police do anything wrong or not. That's why I would rather wait until all the facts are in b4 I get to judging either the cop or the kid.
Last edited by Aniela; 09-26-2014 at 08:48 PM. Reason: Dead battery
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