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    Default Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    I was doing the math yesterday...and out of a half hour VIP room (the most common room sold at this club) we only get $150 cut out of $350. I was going to suggest a room to my regular tomorrow, but I make much more $ from just doing multiple LDs with him. I wonder why so many girls try to upsell to VIP rooms when we get such a small cut and we actually make MORE from LDs? I can only assume that many are doing extras and charging prices for that on top of the price of the rooms? I also heard something about "tipping out the bouncer" at least $100? Why would my customer need to tip out the bouncer if the bouncer had nothing to do with me selling the room? At my old club (that I'm planning to return to) half hours are $150 and we keep $125. No tip outs to the bouncer or anyone but dancers and the waitress!! I think the club I'm at now just sets up the CR/VIPs for prostitution or am I wrong?

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    I guess they do it so they know they'll have $X amount in their pocket, rather than risking the customer not buying more dances. I always try to push for VIPs, even though I might get a little more selling multiples because of that reason.

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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    Is there a nudity difference between lap dances and private rooms?
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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    Yeah, I think sometimes it's easier to sell a room to a customer than just multiple dances. In most places there's a perk for selling a CR/VIP, like a private room-- so the customer feels like they're getting more for their money. And there's not the stress of asking them each time if they want another dance and possibly having them say no or not asking and not getting paid at the end. Plus, in non-contact clubs I find it's impossible to sell multiple dances, it's rooms or 1 dance.

    Also, your cut is pretty bad. I've never lost that much money! You're not even keeping 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday86 View Post
    I was doing the math yesterday...and out of a half hour VIP room (the most common room sold at this club) we only get $150 cut out of $350. I was going to suggest a room to my regular tomorrow, but I make much more $ from just doing multiple LDs with him. I wonder why so many girls try to upsell to VIP rooms when we get such a small cut and we actually make MORE from LDs? I can only assume that many are doing extras and charging prices for that on top of the price of the rooms? I also heard something about "tipping out the bouncer" at least $100? Why would my customer need to tip out the bouncer if the bouncer had nothing to do with me selling the room?
    I worked in a club just like this. If the girls tip the bouncers or get the customers to, they'll usually hook up the girl to spending customers. And what you mentioned does happen sometimes. If a girl is offering a 'menu' she'll take a guy upstairs and they'll negotiate a price there. I've seen that happen.

    I'm the same way, I'd rather sell a lot of dances in this case. If you're making money doing this, keep on keeping on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToeOfTheCamel View Post
    Is there a nudity difference between lap dances and private rooms?
    Nope! Full nude dances are $30 (we keep $20). Topless are $20 (we keep $15.) I definitely always tried to sell rooms at my home club since I KEPT most of it, and it was easier than asking dance by dance. As far as my regular goes though, he usually buys 16 dances, tips me on top of those, and tips me in between dancing as well...I make much more from him that way than I would by doing a room! I do see how selling a room to a new custy would be better since it's a 'sure thing' but our cut at this club is absolutely ridiculous.

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    oops double post :p

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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    I take about a $100 less for every 30 minute room I sell vs. 30 minutes worth of dances. I still prefer to sell the rooms. The customer has committed to spending that amount, whereas doing individual dances he can stop at anytime. Also, the rooms are easier physically as most of the time we are just talking/ hanging out. Guys who buy dance after dance want a lot more from their dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post

    Also, your cut is pretty bad. I've never lost that much money! You're not even keeping 50%.
    This is typical in many full nude clubs. The only way I can see such a high % going to the club is if that money will also cover tip-outs for bouncer and/or host/ess.





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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    why not just sell blocks of time in the private dances? ( think shanna dior has suggested that in the past) i agree, that CR is a total rip off unless the guy is tipping you another 2 or 3 hundred

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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    That's a pretty big cut they take I think some girls opt to do that rather than multiple dances is because it's guaranteed $.

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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    This is typical in many full nude clubs. The only way I can see such a high % going to the club is if that money will also cover tip-outs for bouncer and/or host/ess.
    I worked in nude clubs in LA with commission, and kept 40% of everything, 50% after tip out. So I have no issue with the dancer keeping 50% at the end of the day, but she's taking less than that-- even before tipping out. That's ridiculous.

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    I can see both angles here. My home club in DC took 50% of all room fees but only 20-25% individual(table) dances. I made the most of this by pushing to sell as many 10min(shortest of the room options) as possible. Sure, it was 50%, which pisses me off out of principle -- but it was typically not much different time-wise to hustle a 10min room vs an unknown # of table dances, & a minimal but guaranteed time bought that I felt could be extended w/ less fuss than longer rooms, so a bunch of them in a nite adds up.

    Idk what the exact options are at your club OP but that's just my take, at least until you find a club whose pricing structures are more dancer-considerate. Really focus on selling as many of the shortest time block per nite as possible. This is, of course, if your club setup makes Shanna Dior's 'unoffical VIP' strategy (which I have stolen once or twice myself, thnx Shanna!) difficult or impossible to get away w/.

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    Default Re: Avoiding the VIP/CR Rooms

    I usually stay out of the CR's at my main watering hole because I could be selling multiple dances vs sitting around for 40 mins with some old fart.
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    Oh yeah! Forgot to mention: If we don't stay in the CR/VIP room for 10 minutes we don't get paid and the customer gets a refund. I'm sorry, but what is the reasoning behind that, other than setting it up for extras? At my home club, once he paid there were no refunds, no exceptions. If a guy pulled his dick out or made us uncomfortable we could run out and still keep our $ (as it should be.)

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    If we don't stay in the CR/VIP room for 10 minutes we don't get paid and the customer gets a refund. I'm sorry, but what is the reasoning behind that, other than setting it up for extras?
    Arguably, this is precisely what such a policy is designed to do ... keep customers happy by refunding their money if the CR / VIP 'services' provided by a given dancers don't meet customer expectations.

    From the viewpoint of a greedy clubowner, a dis-satisfied customer is not likely to return to the club ... resulting in future lost revenues i.e. door cover charges, drink minimum bar profits, the club's 'split' of future CR / VIP spending by that customer, etc. On the flip side, refunding the dis-satisfied customer's CR / VIP money if the customer's expectations weren't met by one dancer keeps the customer 'happy' ... thus increasing the odds that the customer WILL have his CR / VIP expectations met by a different dancer ( which provides the same revenue to the club ), as well as increasing the odds that the customer will return to the club in the future thus providing future door cover charge, drink minimum bar profit, and CR / VIP percentage revenues. Thus this club's refund policy arguably makes a lot of economic sense from the clubowner's standpoint.

    For better or worse, as clubs see their costs of doing business rising ( higher property taxes, utility bills, insurance costs etc. ), and as clubs see their revenues from CR / VIP sales by 'clean' dancers falling ( as similarly burdened cash strapped customer 'bang for the buck' expectations increase ), there appears to be an increasing tendency for clubowners to view 'clean' dancers as a liability. It's hard to dispute the wisdom of a clubowner's selfish viewpoint that 'dirty' dancers produce much higher revenues for the club as a result of the club's percentage if their increased CR / VIP sales than 'clean' dancers do, with the clubowner essentially facing zero increased risks from tacitly approving of 'extras' ( since any future bust will affect the 'dirty' dancers but not the clubowner ).
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    ^Yep that is exactly what I'm thinking, Melonie. Although I'm sure not all rooms are sold by dirty dancers..at my club it seems they are only sold by beautiful girls who either naturally look like runway models or are enhanced to look like porn stars (Barbies), OR they are sold by obvious extras girls. I have more of a girl next door look and my biggest spenders pay for the girlfriend experience or have a redhead fetish. I have seen some other "girl next door" types get rooms because the customer just fell in love with them, but it's rare. I understand the club owner's reasoning behind the 10 minute policy but it sucks for us, nonetheless. At least I know I'm not crazy for thinking that policy exists just to make sure the customer '"gets what he paid for" but it still makes my skin crawl.

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    We don't sell blocks of time at the club that I currently work at but rather dance by dance,as per policy. I have, very occasionally, sold time in blocks, just because the customer was used to doing it that way.

    However, we do have a resident rip off artist, who makes a ton of promises about the CR and either extorts the custy for more money before she'll do anything or just "wants to talk first" without telling the custy that the meter is running, so to speak. The policy seems to be designed more to prevent that kind of crap, but custys use it to their advantage and try to hold it over a dancer's head to force extras.

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    Man, I don't see anything out of the room fee my club charges for VIP. It's pretty cheap charges, too ($50 for thirty minutes, $80 hour, $150 all day). But we still charge by the dance in VIP, only it gets a little hazy because there's not the same, "Would you like to keep going?" between each dance. So, even though we can charge more per dance in the VIP area, I usually try to avoid it because it can lead to arguments and unpleasantness (when I'm keeping close tracks of the number of dances we do but the guy isn't--or he thinks that us just lying there together doesn't count as a dance. Bitch, if you're in VIP with me you're paying for every song that comes on while we're there). And of course, guys expecting they can touch my pussy just cause there's a curtain between us and the rest of the room and I'm charging $10 more a dance now. I've talked plenty of guys OUT of going to VIP by saying he could just buy more dances with the amount of money he wanted to spend on VIP.

    It's a weird setup, granted.

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