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    Question Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    Hi everyone!

    I'm researching for a documentary about breastfeeding for Discovery Networks International and I just thought I might post something for anyone interested.

    The doc will feature a variety of mothers who do: extended breastfeeding, milk share, induced lactation for surrogate-carried children, and much more. We'll use these personal stories to give participants a platform to challenge misperceptions of breastfeeding and to celebrate the act.

    We're also really keen to represent women who use their breasts for work as well as motherhood -- yeah that's sounds a little weird, I know! But I think it would be a great way to examine society's discomfort with the dual sensual and maternal role that breasts play.

    • Are you currently breastfeeding and dancing?
    • Do you pump or use formula for your baby?
    • Have you breastfeed and danced before or maybe you know someone who does?


    Please get in touch with me at [email protected].

    There would be no expectation of filming unless you'd like to share your experiences with a wider audience, and we are an all female crew with experience in sensitive documentaries so you can contact us in confidence. Check our website for other programmes we've made: .


    xx Alana
    Last edited by breastdoc2014; 10-08-2014 at 09:40 AM.

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    Default Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    I don't have kids, but since you're not paying I doubt anyone would be interested.

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    Default Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    I guess you never know! These girls were interested:

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    Mind Blowing Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    Well, good for them, lol. Hey, does it count if I breastfeed grown men, & I don't have milk @ the moment? Btw, you already have a thread on this in another section.
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    Duh Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    Haha I don't think that would count, no.

    I know I have another thread, but as we're not paying I thought it would be better to take it out of the "jobs" section and post somewhere else. I don't know how to delete the other thread though?

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    Yeah not sure about that, you'd have to ask a Mod on here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Well, good for them, lol. Hey, does it count if I breastfeed grown men, & I don't have milk @ the moment? Btw, you already have a thread on this in another section.
    Thanks.
    Yeah that's a good question. I love to breast feed grown men and they love it too.

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    does it count if we breastfed, but didn't do it while dancing?

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    Arrow Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    I see this fetish asked for a lot on craigslist.


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    Default Re: Breastfeeding and Stripping? - Doc Research

    @simone87 Yes possibly? We're just looking for women who are dancers that have had children they've breastfed (or currently are breastfeeding), and we're mostly wondering how that fit into their working lives. Does that make sense?

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    OP, don't you guys have anything better to do? I mean, what are you really looking to gain by our answers here? You do kinda sound like one of those pseudo-researcher fruitcakes from Craigslist who's just looking to indulge a fetish.

    Also, it's really rather pissy on your part that you expect us to share our experiences 'using our breasts for work as well as for motherhood' w/ no expectation of payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    OP, don't you guys have anything better to do? I mean, what are you really looking to gain by our answers here? You do kinda sound like one of those pseudo-researcher fruitcakes from Craigslist who's just looking to indulge a fetish.

    Also, it's really rather pissy on your part that you expect us to share our experiences 'using our breasts for work as well as for motherhood' w/ no expectation of payment.
    ^ LMAO! Yea. I mean, we get paid, & expect to get paid..we deal w/enough ppl lookin' for a freebe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    OP, don't you guys have anything better to do? I mean, what are you really looking to gain by our answers here? You do kinda sound like one of those pseudo-researcher fruitcakes from Craigslist who's just looking to indulge a fetish.

    Also, it's really rather pissy on your part that you expect us to share our experiences 'using our breasts for work as well as for motherhood' w/ no expectation of payment.
    You can be sure the "researcher" expects to get paid.

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    I understand your concerns, but it's actually against documentary best practices to pay individuals who are meant to be giving an accurate/unbiased portrayal of information. Being paid makes the nature of the relationship one between employer and employee. I.e., it is understood that you have to do and say certain things in order to be paid. Being a volunteer means you say and do whatever you want, and can decide not to participate any more without any breach of contract. It's the same reason why journalists don't pay their sources, it makes the information not credible because an author could be paying someone to say certain things a certain way.


    Also, if you take a look at the AFTRA payment guidelines as suggested, you'll notice that the wages are all for people being paid to "perform" a particular service as actor, dancer, stuntman, etc.


    I just wanted to make it clear that we're not trying to be pissy or cheap. We're just genuinely looking for people who are happy to share a small part of their lives with us and tell us about their experiences with breastfeeding. If you're not happy to share, then that's fine. But just understand that we're not paying not because we want to exploit people, or we're fetishists. We're doing it because we're making a documentary, and not a drama, comedy, or 'reality' show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breastdoc2014 View Post
    I understand your concerns, but it's actually against documentary best practices to pay individuals who are meant to be giving an accurate/unbiased portrayal of information. Being paid makes the nature of the relationship one between employer and employee. I.e., it is understood that you have to do and say certain things in order to be paid. Being a volunteer means you say and do whatever you want, and can decide not to participate any more without any breach of contract. It's the same reason why journalists don't pay their sources, it makes the information not credible because an author could be paying someone to say certain things a certain way.


    Also, if you take a look at the AFTRA payment guidelines as suggested, you'll notice that the wages are all for people being paid to "perform" a particular service as actor, dancer, stuntman, etc. http://www.sagaftra.org/files/sag/ra...aftra_8_16.pdf


    I just wanted to make it clear that we're not trying to be pissy or cheap. We're just genuinely looking for people who are happy to share a small part of their lives with us and tell us about their experiences with breastfeeding. If you're not happy to share, then that's fine. But just understand that we're not paying not because we want to exploit people, or we're fetishists. We're doing it because we're making a documentary, and not a drama, comedy, or 'reality' show.

    This. I was going to chime about this, but the OP did it first. For documentaries, the most they can do is pay a living stipend and/or travel expenses, but that's it. I can't believe so many of you didn't had enough common sense to look for more information about how and why there is no pay (in the form of wages and/or salaries) for most documentaries. If subjects featured on a documentary are paid (outside of a living stipend and/or traveling expenses), most likely it's biased.





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    thanks . and yes, we would be able to cover any expenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    This. I was going to chime about this, but the OP did it first. For documentaries, the most they can do is pay a living stipend and/or travel expenses, but that's it. I can't believe so many of you didn't had enough common sense to look for more information about how and why there is no pay (in the form of wages and/or salaries) for most documentaries. If subjects featured on a documentary are paid (outside of a living stipend and/or traveling expenses), most likely it's biased.
    Personally, I find this offensive.


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    Agreed ^^^^ personally I can't believe OP didn't have enough common sense to realise that most of us are not connected to the business & might not even know to look up the differences in how documentaries(ists?) work vs other areas of broadcasting. Call us overly cynical, but as another poster mentioned above, we already get enough clowns looking for freebies.

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    Yes, maybe I should have explained the reasons why we weren't offering to pay at the beginning, just thought it was a lot to explain in one post. Sorry!

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    whats the difference between a breastfeeding stripper and a breastfeeding model, actress, athlete, or anyone else who's body is on display? oh, breastfeeding strippers are "edgier." yawn.

    fyi rule #1 of making a documentary is having extensive knowledge of the subject before. you clearly know nothing about strippers, otherwise you wouldn't think to make your doc this way. you wont know what kind of questions to ask and you'll almost definitely edit it in an unflattering way.

    i havent seen one stripper doc that does justice to the industry. it all focuses on the nudity (exactly what youre doing) which none of us care about. so many gratuitous shots of us in thongs and platforms while pole dancing. it would be like a making a sports doc and obsessing over their sneakers. srsly.

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    I'm sorry you feel that way, and you feel that docs have done an injustice to the industry. I can understand why you would be wary of people looking for stories.

    To clarify though, our documentary isn't focussed on breastfeeding strippers specifically, it's about breastfeeding in general. It's aimed at society's discomfort and misconceptions of breastfeeding (and especially in public), and will feature individuals who have decided to challenge it and celebrate breastfeeding. We have surrogate mothers breastfeeding their children, mothers breastfeeding slightly older children, lesbian mothers who both breastfeed...And I actually do know loads about breastfeeding, inducing lactation, the benefits of breastmilk and so on.

    We think people's discomfort with breastfeeding is partly to do with the association between breasts and sex, so we thought also having an individual who represents both the sexual and maternal role of breasts would be an interesting way to analyse that in our film. We are reaching out to models for the same reason too.

    Hope that clears things up a bit maybe?

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    cool, but you know nothing about stripping and are still just including it to be edgy. any inclusion of strippers would detract from an otherwise interesting doc. what about the challenges low income women face when they have to work 40+hrs/week so soon after delivery? or women who have to choose between the benefits of breast milk over the downsides of potentially poisoning their child because theyre on medication? strippers breastfeeding is not a separate category like surrogate mothers or lesbians who both breastfeed. its just a normal breastfeeding mother with a bunch of gratuitous nude shots.

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    Well, I'm sad to hear that it sounds like there's not much more I could say to emphasize that it's not just about being edgy or using gratuitous nudity.

    Perhaps others might not think so. betty actually has quite a strong reputation in the industry for taking care of our participants.

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