Yes valid complaints about you... I do because they are true.
Yes valid complaints about you... I do because they are true.





Whatever. You are one of those cam performers that I talked about that creates drama. This situation has nothing to do with you but you feel the need to interfere without full knowledge. Not shocking because that seems to be the norm on here. I can see why so many performers say not to post on here, that this site is all drama.
Actually I asked a question and you decided to give a bitchy reply. I never start drama on here.





A question that doesn't involve you and isn't any of your business. So yeah, that is creating drama since it has zero to do with you. I posted my responses and if that isnt good enough for you then so be it. I'm tired of going over the same stuff on here over and over again. No matter what my answer is, it wouldn't be good enough, someone would be pissed and someone will complain. That's just how it seems to be on here and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
You're right posting on a public forum is a private matter. I'm so done. Have a goodnight ladies.



Just started splitting with them and if it wasn't for their hourly I would have never lasted a week. Outside of the hourly is anyone making any money?
I make about $10 an hour in tips on top of the hourly on average. It took about a month to get there I am now on my third month and it is improving albeit very slowly. I also splitcam this site with 3 other sites.
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Gonna be totally honest here and say I STILL haven't been paid my hourly from over a month ago. Jane told me that FWC had promised to send it out for payment either with last week or this week's funds, but it's Wednesday and I've seen exactly $0. I'm not impressed.
ETA: I haven't worked the site since FWC didn't pay me, so I can't say much about current traffic. It was utter shit a month ago though, so my hopes aren't high.





They didn't pay you out because you didn't earn any tokens even tho you worked several hours on the site. I sent a mass message and told everyone that you have to earn at least some tokens in order to be paid an hourly rate. I don't find it unreasonable to expect a cam performer on hourly to earn some tokens, they didn't set a bare minimum as to how many you have to earn. I also dont think the sites being unreasonable since a performer could just log on, take hourly pay and not do anything.
The reason they pay hourly is because the traffic is still low.

I have always been paid. I also always make tokens too. Some days are slower then other but I have made up to 2000 tokens on some days. jane or her husband always answers my questions and concerns in a timely manner.





I'm frustrated for those who haven't been paid yet. No, I don't work on the site so no, it isn't necessarily my "business" but this is a public forum and I choose to post my observation on it anyway. If you don't like what I have to save, move on.
First of all over the past few months I've checked in on this thread and the site off and on. From day one I KNEW this was a bad idea. There are certain people who need a serious attitude adjustment that shouldn't be in the position they are. I've read the GFY posts the 'owner' made and they're disgusting. Another thing that bothered me was the quality of the site. Not to mention him wanting 10's, decided not to add talented bbs of all shapes, hues, and sizes. I room hopped a bit and the site seems to make a ton of models laggy. Every time I randomly peeped not one guy was TIPPING but there was a LOT of begging going on.
Who the fuck does this site think they are? If you are a site that offers HOURLY pay. Pay your fucking models! It's just that simple. I doesn't matter if the models sit on their asses, pick their noses, or farts on cam. The fact is; THEY ARE ON CAM and you PROMISED to pay them HOURLY. You don't offer hourly pay and then make up/change your rules AFTER the models have put in their hours. If a John fucks an escort that's a dead fish in bed, does he not still pay her? He better! Is it the model's fault the guys aren't tipping? NOT REALLY. But you do have to pay them. If the model makes $0 from your shitty traffic you still owe her hourly. That's the way YOU yourself as the owner set it up. Period.
If the site decides to pull certain girls from hourly pay, is a good idea to stay silent about that? HELLZ NO. Alert the studio, email the model, AND post it in bright bold red letters that her hourly pay has been removed. You don't decide at the last minute that they don't deserve to be paid for their work. Who the fuck does that? I don't see this site lasting long at all. If so, I'll be shocked and surprised and hope that a major facelift on the site has been made.
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So Issabelle isn't getting paid even though it was promised to her. Sounds familiar.
Stay far away from this "studio" and site, ladies.





I can pull the email time stamps if you need a reminder, but you sent that mass notice to us immediately after I asked why I hadn't been paid. The new policy was put in place nearly two weeks after the pay period in question. I have absolutely no problem with the rule change, but it being retroactive is pointedly unfair to models. I fully appreciate that you don't have any control over what the site ownership does, but you are our studio owner and that makes you responsible for fulfilling our payments. End of story.





Another person who doesn't work the site, thank God, but I'm just going to echo the fact that it's utterly fucked up to promise hourly pay and not deliver. To constantly change the terms AFTER the model has put the time in. Lets get real here, you can't MAKE these guys tip... you can tease, be nice, stand on your head, fuck yourself in free chat... nothing will FORCE these guys to tip. The owner is now most likely just trying to save himself from going bankrupt after he decided to make some "amazing" offer of hourly pay and then realized that his site sucks ass, he will never be the next MFC, and his traffic is worthless. A site should not offer hourly pay if they are not going to honor it. Period. If she had earned 1 token would that have been enough? How many tokens would have satisfied the prick of an owner to the point of convincing him to actually pay the models who are trying to get this worthless site off the ground?
Again, I don't work the site. But I think the experiences expressed here and in verified by others who have worked the site speak loud and clear.
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We fulfill the payments when we get the funds from the cam site, your hourly is with them. I said in the beginning you had to actually work the site, I have the emails and I can even go back to the original posts on here. Its been said multiple times you cant just log in and not really do anything. I also gave you the contact info for Joe who does accounting. He might be able to give you a better answer than what I was given.
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While I agree they haven't always made the right choices, I also am not going to say they are bad either. You CAN make money on there, lots of us do and we don't fuck ourselves in free chat either. I think customers that spend money are bored as hell with performers that only offer fucking as an option. The art of the tease is a lot art in the camming world it seems. That falls on cam performers 100 percent and not on site owners or studio's.
As for the hourly rates I see it from both sides. Yes they should pay it when they guarantee it, I agree with that. However I have seen performers not even try to do shows or engage their room. They ignore customers, talk on their phone, watch tv, etc. They did say in the beginning that you had to pay attention to your room and chat. I also don't want to see a site get taken advantage of.
Token sites aren't for everyone, that's a known fact. There's no shame in not working on a token site. However I see the same performers on here complaining about multiple sites they work on. I feel sometimes they think it's easier to blame the sites than to look and see why they aren't doing well on any site. Camming will always be a mix of looks, personality, skill and marketing. It's up to performers to make those four things work for them.
The site was recently bought out by a huge company, they aren't going bankrupt nor trying to save their site. I pay out 30 ladies a week and most have been on the site since I started the studio. They are doing well and I assume they wouldn't work the site if they didn't like it. I feel awful that a few performers have had issues or were let go from the site. I knew it wasn't going to work out for everyone, it never does sadly. I just don't think it's fair that cam sites are always made out to be the bad guys. Being behind the scenes give you a very different perspective of sites and performers. I see performers demanding respect and professionalism from cam sites, yet they have don't feel they should demand the same thing from themselves.
I appreciate your posting Sarah. Sorry if my response is long but I have wanted to say some of these things for a while now. Your posting gave me the chance to, thank you.





I think the point is - when the site determines a lady is not " earning " her hourly pay she should be notified immediately - not be allowed to keep working and then surprise you are cut from your hourly pay - that is pretty bad business
it's not just bad business, it's bait and switch. if our industry was regulated ish like that would end up in court
Jane, I have tremendous respect for you, so honestly I don't understand how you can defend this site and it's owners after they have retroactively deducted pay from models who worked their site.
there is no legitimate explanation for this sort of practice. if they want to end a chica's hourly pay they need to notify her that day, to do anything else is unethical and deceitful




Cam4 took care of hourly thing much better than this site, from what I see. =/
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Alright, last time I'm arguing this and I'm only doing it so new girls don't end up in my position.
To your first point that you fulfill payments when you get the funds from the site: in the payment process you see, step one is getting the money and step two is transferring it to the model. In the payment process the model sees, the payment process is that our studio delivers our funds. In the real world, that equates to employees expecting their hourly wage from management regardless of whether or not management got paid by all of it's clients/boss (i.e. the studio). Why that very legal expectation is somehow different in camming is baffling to me.
You did, in fact, say that we had to work the site. I'm very capable of pulling those emails myself. 'Working' was defined as engaging the room and not just ignoring them because paying traffic was nearly nonexistent and the site owners knew it. I developed a tip menu, tried to start count downs, offered sale of KIK/snapchat, chatted with guests (who all admitted they had no tokens--not even one), and hustled for shows. Guess what? Didn't pan out! But the very first time that the definition of 'working the site' came to include earning tokens was after the pay period in question. So much for 'not doing anything.'
Re: giving me Joe's contact information: that was very kind of you, but as my studio owner it is your responsibility to deal with the ownership. Going back to the real world comparison, it isn't the responsibility of an hourly wage employee to hunt down their paycheck from their management's owner. That would be skipping the chain of command. Management exists to go to bat for the employee. That's why they get paid more or, in the world of camming, get a cut of the profits.
Much like Love, I have a great deal of respect for your position in the industry, both as a model and a business owner. You've been very successful. This site is single-handedly destroying your reputation in this community. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I respect your work too much to want that.





I think we can all agree that if anyone in the near future is offering any kind of studio, business, dailypay, merchant account, etc that there needs to be some cash reserves in the bank to cover accidents, emergencies, and payment layovers. This is business 101. If you do not have this you shouldn't be running a business or a studio period. I know of a few bbs who offer services that were put in positions where they could barely afford their mortgages waiting for merchant accounts to pay them but they still paid their models anyway because their credibility and reputation were too important. #stopsbeatingthedeadhorse
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