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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.

    I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."

    At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."

    At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."

    I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."

    So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.

    ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.

    I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
    We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.

    I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."

    At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."

    At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."

    I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."

    So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.

    ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.

    I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
    We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.

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    And, sorry bout the double posts. weird browser refresh...

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    I just don't know why y'all didn't just pay them out of pocket then get reimbursed for it later. Doesn't matter if the model was "unprofessional". Doesn't matter if you're trying to get the money now. That's what studios do, they pay the models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.
    Jane, as a studio, you take on the obligation for paying the model for the work. I am sorry that you seem to think that the role of the studio is to process payment while skimming a nice % off for yourself, but that's not how it is SUPPOSED to work. The models worked, they need to be paid. If that comes out of your pocket because the site fucked you over, that is part of the risk that you chose to take on. The models have a payment agreement with YOU not with the site. Somehow in your dash for cash you seem to have forgotten that. PAY YOUR MODELS. Your issues with the site are not theirs.

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    My story will have a different ending when I receive an apology for being called a liar, a leech, and a whiny baby (see the previous two pages) and after I receive my payment. Until then, my opinion of this entire situation is very low. I had a lot of respect for you when this started. I want to see that respect and trust was well placed, but I haven't seen any reason to believe that it has been as of yet. I will publicly go to bat for you if I get those two things, but right now I have to go to bat for the side of defending current models, former models, and girls considering signing up. I'm sorry that means we're on opposite sides for now.



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    "All due respect - If you are not at least as hot as the girls I am pictured with above, please do not email me....We do not pay ugly people by the hour."

    Those are direct quotes, along with other disgusting quotes, FROM THE SITE OWNER on a forum. I am sick to my stomach.

    Even if you do have a certain type or look you want to maintain on your site, there is no need to say any of those things. I am sure Playboy gets TONS of "unattractive" applications but do they send out rejection letters saying "I'm sorry but you're too ugly?" What a fucking disgrace, so unprofessional- just for this, I would not even think about signing up to this site.

    Who are they to judge who's hot or not?? Good luck creating a web cam site if you think it's about looks in this business- especially when there's clearly only one type. Why do you think MFC and SM are the top sites? Because they offer variety. They "hire" girls NOT based on their looks. This site owner his self is not exactly a Brad Pitt look alike.

    Disgusting


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    Yeah I pretty much said "eff this" to this site when I realized I wouldn't qualify based on the fact that I'm a curvy to BBW alt girl. That's the beauty of the cam business, guys like variety and they're often refreshed to see models who don't look like "supermodels" or porn stars. The owner makes me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    This site owner his self is not exactly a Brad Pitt look alike.

    Disgusting
    Well, he's figured out how to surround himself with attractive women...pay them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsie View Post
    ...pay them.
    Or not...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Or not...
    Excuse me, gotta change my panties, PMSL over here.

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    Jane, this was your bad- and who ever else is involved.

    Clearly, you bit off more than you can chew and just like MOST people you thought this would be a walk in the park. Soooo many people think they can just start a web cam site and it will be an over night sensation. Just because your site failed or things did not go the way you planned, doesn't mean that you can just walk away from your end of the deal. You ripped people off and that's final. You totally exploited cam girls. I can bet money that you still paid the "hot" ones. And to openly ridicule peoples looks as a business is just beyond me.

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    You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.

    You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by storybrooke View Post
    I have been having a wonderful time working this site Jane and Greg have been nothing but helpful and nice to me. I've gotten paid every week it may not be on the same day but it happens. I ALSO make tips and have since the site first started. Maybe not as many but I still made them, eitherway I've had a good time and been paid every time and haven't had any problems! Thank you Jane and Greg for all the help! Sorry for everyone else if you've had problems but my experience has so far been overall pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.

    You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
    That's funny you say that because you are taking out your own failures on these girls you ripped off. You site sucked and it was slow so you decided not to pay girls, like you said you would. Don't promise hourly pay if you can't provide that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.

    You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
    Jane, your business is failing. You had access to all of these threads and all of this knowledge and decided to try to make a quick buck anyway. It blew up in your face. And that's not about them, it's about YOU. Running a business is about taking risks. The risk is you might fuck it up, or the customers might fuck you over, or the world might end because the Mayans were right. You took that risk. Trying to throw that risk back onto other people because it went badly for you is a bitch move, even more so because you are putting that shit back on the members of a community who trusted you, and a community that supported your endeavor.

    Commerce 101: Most businesses fail. Commerce 201: Shut up about it and deal with the fallout.

    Oh, and don't give that BS about "opening it up to everyone". Screening appearance is hardly inclusive, now, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.

    You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
    Or how about another idea: maybe you can find yourselves "good cam performers" if you weren't so damn adamant that they have to be "hot." Being "hot" does not make you a good cam performer.

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    Seriously? You had respect for me but this is how you handled it. Did I run to forums and complain about you guys? NO!!! My trust was misplaced when I opened up to allow anyone to join in because I thought I was doing the right thing. I thought I was helping other cam performers out and instead it turned into a clusterfuck. 99 percent of the performers havent had one issue, it's only a few of you that had issues. I also don't appreciate you jumping a performer that comes on here stating her opinion. She isn't a new performer and she didn't deserve the attitude that was given to her.

    We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    My story will have a different ending when I receive an apology for being called a liar, a leech, and a whiny baby (see the previous two pages) and after I receive my payment. Until then, my opinion of this entire situation is very low. I had a lot of respect for you when this started. I want to see that respect and trust was well placed, but I haven't seen any reason to believe that it has been as of yet. I will publicly go to bat for you if I get those two things, but right now I have to go to bat for the side of defending current models, former models, and girls considering signing up. I'm sorry that means we're on opposite sides for now.

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    I go by what the site asked for and they hire who they see fit. Its no different than magazines, adult xxx studio's and websites hiring attractive talent. It's a part of the industry and you don't have to like it, but that's how it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    Or how about another idea: maybe you can find yourselves "good cam performers" if you weren't so damn adamant that they have to be "hot." Being "hot" does not make you a good cam performer.

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    We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.

    You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
    I'm sorry, but I'm fairly certain Cam4 paid every single model their $10/hr for the first 100 hours - despite what tokens were or were not earned. Because it was an agreement on both the site and the models whom signed on for that hourly bonus. I'd spent multiple hours there, with zero tokens and still received my ten/hr. Does that mean I'm a shitty performer? No. I damn well make my money and pay my bills while working sites with some goddamn credibility. When I CHOSE to give up on Cam4 because I wasn't making money (because you can't take water from a well that is dried up) they INFORMED me that I would be taken off the hourly bonus - which seems is something you failed to do.

    And yes, you can look in the Camming Sucks thread and see some of these models complain throughout dry periods, but I guarantee you see them post in the Camming Rocks thread just the same amount, if not more.

    Furthermore, I don't see anyone defending you because you are turning on models in the most unprofessional and arrogant manner I have ever seen here on SW. And as for screening performers? Your basis is on their appearance, not their hourly wages nor their fan base. Pretty faces are not all there is to cam, as a model yourself you should know that. You are just lashing out on performers because you created and unsuccessful business, are no receiving the financial gain you anticipated and you should be ashamed of yourself. Best of luck in your future endeavors!




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    That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound like me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.



    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    this to me would demonstrate that she was not paid the funds she was promised. as such I don't consider any of the factual posts in this thread to be libel, as your husband insinuated in his report about this thread



    agreed. @Jane, this is the second time you've posted personal info in this thread about models who have signed up to your studio. this is a massive violation of sw rules and if it occurs again I will be handing out serious infractions. as a service owner you have a high duty of care to protect the privacy of women who trust you to do the right thing. based upon your pattern of behavior it doesn't appear that you understand this fully



    I don't understand why you two didn't do the right thing and just pay the two models who got shafted. ethically that would be the right thing to do, as you're the middle man between the models and the site. no one can force you to pay them, obviously, but I don't understand why continue to support and defend a site that retroactively removed model earnings. The mental leaps of logic that are required to justify such action are totally beyond me. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you as a peer, but as a studio owner in all honesty I think you're doing the wrong thing here



    thank you for again explaining the timeline so succinctly.

    I also want to make a point about model behavior, as that's be referenced a few times as an excuse for why this all happened. No one can force any one of us to behave unethically, we're all responsible for the choices we make. I have no doubt that some unpaid models have been quite strenuous in their objections to being having income deducted retroactively, but that doesn't excuse the way they have been treated or the fact that they did not receive the funds they were promised.

    what a mess. I'm sorry to both Space and Issabelle that this happened, and that your personal info was posted without your permission. It will NOT happen again.

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    We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.

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    This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION

    This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
    I can't hold back anymore. Fuck it. You're kidding me right? First of all YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS. It always has. That's why you've gotten into previous arguments with others on the forum because you have a stank attitude. I knew this would go down like this, I knew it was a bad idea. Second of all, please don't try and act like your "studio" was an opportunity for anyone. FWC posted on several sites like www.sexyjobs.com and at the very bottom there was a studio sign up link. Stop acting like you brought this site to SW because several of my PSO friends and myself saw it posted ages ago.

    You chose to start a studio because you knew that you could bring it to the forum and girls would sign up. PERIOD. Anyone could've done that, you just happen to do it first. You can a argue until you're blue in the face, Jane but the fact of the matter is, YOU, the studio owner are obligated to PAY models under you based on the hours they put in. Like I said before, I don't care if they were flicking boogers at the camera; they still logged on! If the site doesn't pay them/you, too bad, you still are obligated to pay because that's the hat you wear as a studio owner. And the fact that you're sitting here on your high horse outing people who worked under you is beyond me. I knew this shit would happen!

    Heads up. If there are any REAL people with cash reserves who wish to "promote" this whack ass site. http://www.modelrevenue.com is the site and they have a studio sign up at the bottom. See, even a caveman can do it! GTFO.




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    That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound liek me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
    Aw, you got hacked! And lemme guess, you never agreed to pay anyone, never dicked anyone around, never called anyone names? Can you go back through and tell us which posts ARE yours? Check with your co-owner Greg, he seems like a real peach.

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