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    Default So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    I heard this recently from a stripper who did not like being turned down for a dance. I guess she felt she deserved one after trying to entice me by getting up close and rubbing my balls, but in truth I didn't find that particularly provocative since, if she did it to me within 15 seconds of meeting me, then she likely had a lot of balls in her hands recently.

    But putting aside her sales method for a second, I find this attitude to be not uncommon, particularly among younger and seemingly inexperienced strippers. Two other girls who sat with me earlier already had about $100 of my money in their pockets for doing nothing more than being entertaining, but of course this girl had no way of knowing that. I'll also admit that, since the stage was on the other end of the club and the dancers were in bikinis to boot, I did not often feel moved to walk all the way across the club to drop a couple of bucks. But to make the assumption that she did seemed kinda' silly.

    What might lead you to make the same assumption, if anything? Is the manner in which I normally choose to pay a girl, which is tipping her for entertaining me barside, more or less common in your club/area?

    Please feel free to answer with candor and directness as I am really fishing for feedback and insights here, not answers that support my own theories or beliefs.
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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    Well, the reality is that there really are customers who are there just to drink and watch the free show. This isn't terribly uncommon in my area since stage tipping is barely a thing as is, so the stage show is essentially always a free show. They'll get their beer and sit near the stage or at the bar, never spending a dime on the dancers. They come in week after week like clockwork, and the dancers that work regularly know which customers are the furniture, so they just avoid them. It's mildly annoying, but the new/irregular dancers always try to hustle them, which frees up the "real" customers for me, so they serve some sort of purpose in the end.

    Tipping for time isn't really a huge thing around here either, so I know it's not that, but also, dancers talk, and when enough try and hustle the same guy(s) and they don't take anyone for dances but come back week after week, we know they're just there to drink and watch the free show.

    Of course, I'd never actually SAY to the furniture or any other customer that rejects me that they're just there to drink and watch the free show. I just mentally make a note of the rejection and don't bother them again (unless it was a rejection with an opening to come back later or another day), freeing myself up for customers that may actually want to spend on me.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    I've noticed some customers who see me dance on stage but don't come up to the stage will tip when I walk over to them simply because they don't feel like getting out their seat and they're sitting away from the stage

    This is when it's more slow in the club. or when the customer is older.

    To me this is better than freeloaders but still a slight hassle as I have to come to you vs you come see me at the stage.

    Plus the thing of social proof. The more men sit at the stage and tip encourages more people to sit at the stage and tip.

    When men sit back away from stage and watch it gives the idea - to less seasoned clubgoers - that merely sitting and watching is the thing to do. So if dancers work on stage getting no tips. Maybe this is why they resort to desperate sales tactics like grabbing balls right off the bat.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    I myself see no point in going to a club and buying overpriced drinks just to see boobs or nudity just to tease myself. Why not watch a porn in your home with cheaper alcohol? It seems so self-centered.

    I much prefer to participate in the fun in a semi-private area with a clever and attractive dancer.

    I was in a club with a "hostess" once who was able to get my business by manipulating my privates over my clothing. But I did spend money on her, even though nothing more intimate took place.

    In another club (new club, local), I was gathering information for a future visit; I chatted for maybe 5 mins with a dancer (who was as beautiful and hot as any other one I've ever seen) about club features and practices. I gave her on my own a few dollars for her time, though she said she didn't expect any 'compensation' from me. I did that for my future benefits and for her as well.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    So last night- and almost every night I actually have guys say they "don't pay for this kind of thing" or "i just come to watch the game". It's a small club- I can see them come in with no cover, get a beer for $2.50, ogle, try and grope us/slap asses, sit in the shadows with their eyes on the stage or stand right on the floor drink in hand and get really aggressive about holding us at their side and insisting on a hotel room- then sneering when a dance is mentioned. Afterwards they leave. We always have about three pieces of 'furniture' at a time as well who know all the girls, are happy to see us, and haven't bought a dance or tipped since Bush Sr was in office. Lazy tipping from across the room is common for me because I have a really popular stage show so men and women will wait for me to come by, but not so much for the other girls. I think it's pretty rude to let a girl bust her ass for a whole set without so much as a dollar on stage- which is very common where I am. I have no problem with being told a customer is settling in, cooling down, waiting for a certain girl, focused on the stage, etcetera.

    I know who they are because they tell me. Sometimes I tell them the location of the nearest sports bar.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    2nd'ing all previous replies. Too many guys actually do come in 'just to watch the game' -- eyes glued to the screen when you come over to chat them up, but they don't seem to realise the girl onstage can clearly see them ogling her during her set. They also generally can't be bothered to tip. It's not just in bikini bars that this happens, either. I find it pretty frustrating bc I see it as a power trip on their part & I have sm times called them out on it, bc they are the guys who should just stay home w/ their porn or just stay in the sports bars.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    I would also add that tipping for time barside is not at common. But it's still better than freeloaders.

    I've encountered few customers dead set against a dance for whatever reason but would happily give the equivalent of dance price for same amount of time chatting/drinking instead.

    I myself prefer this to simply because it's easier and doesn't take as much physical energy as actual dancing plus with greedy clubs taking cut of each dance its actually makes more financial sense. But I again my experience is that it's not as common.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    Maybe a portion of the entry (door) fee should go to the stage dancers. The bar is just looking for drink business. Seems to me the two profit centers (bar and dancers) should be accounted for separately. But that would be rational which club management is NOT.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Maybe a portion of the entry (door) fee should go to the stage dancers. The bar is just looking for drink business. Seems to me the two profit centers (bar and dancers) should be accounted for separately. But that would be rational which club management is NOT.
    can't even tell you how many times I have said this. Even if it meant the introduction of the hated funny money. My home club has no cover during the day, and a fair bit of total furniture, and I could care less if it cost me x dollars to get in, since I plan on spending it anyway.
    Even if the ladies don't like the idea, there must be some way to discourage non tippers.

    On topic, what I have noticed as basically a regular, that many of the dancers are not that focused on their job. The dancer Rick encountered was not paying any attention to the fact that there was a way to get money out of him, because she does not pay attention at all. I am basically a regular at one club, and I have the same girl introduce herself to me 3 weeks in a row. Girls who I have tipped on stage never come out of the dressing room, never come over to me. I guess the only thing worse than a 'wanna dance' girl is one who never asks.
    My ATF has not worked in months as she is still dealing with some demons, but came for a visit a few weeks ago. In street clothes she is still 'managing' me. "You going to be here for a while? I have a few people to talk to then I will be right over" I fucking love it.

    Yeah, you come here and converse with all the smart chicks and sometimes forget that there is a much errr, broader spectrum out at the clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Maybe a portion of the entry (door) fee should go to the stage dancers. The bar is just looking for drink business. Seems to me the two profit centers (bar and dancers) should be accounted for separately. But that would be rational which club management is NOT.
    At one club I worked at I suggested something like this. I also suggested the club raised their admission fee and include a dance voucher in it. That way they were coming to get dances. Sounds extreme but this club not only had a cheap (and at times free)admission but most of the men were coming just to watch the dancing, nothing else. In fact one time there were so many of them we were running out of seats for possible real customers. This wasn't sour grapes, not one of the dancers sold a dance. Even the bouncer admitted this. The manager yelled at is for not giving them attention (I refused to take my top off)because "they are still customers". Um no, they didn't pay much to come in (if I recall it was free)and they didn't tip anyone and sat at the tip rail.

    What would tell me he was only there to watch the show as compared to just didn't want a dance with me? a few things. For one, did he come in regularly and just sat at the bar? Many times though these guys were regulars of the bartender and didn't care about the dancers (or watching them). Often these guys did tip the girls. If he sat at the stage a long time without getting up. This could be good or bad because one time we had these two Texans come in (oilmen) and didn't buy dances but tipped us $50 each time we danced. Obviously no one had an issue with them. I wouldn't grab a guy's balls but if he rejected me I would initially think two things: either he didn't want a dance with me or with me at that moment (like he just came in). If he wasn't getting a dance with anyone yes I would definitely think he was just watching the show. Dancers can tell usually who are looking for dances and who aren't. For one, the guys who come in with laptops or electronic toys are often not. Why they come in is a mystery. Men who always come in and didn't tip tend to get the reputation. New men I would assume are there for dances unless I see otherwise.

    Regarding the tipping to hang out, I had several regulars like that. I remember one time this guy came in and just wanted to talk. I asked him if he wanted a dance and he said no. Turns out he was going through a divorce and was upset. Long story short, I stuck around a bit and he handed me a $100 bill. The longer I sat with him the more he tipped. There were no other guys in the club except a few regulars of other dancers so had it been crowded I may not have had this chance. The ironic thing is the other dancers did the "wanna dance" he said no and they left. I stuck around and made several hundred. All for listening to his problems.

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    Dumb broads! She must have thought rubbing his testicles was like rubbing a magic lamp and voila money flies out. cue the christina aguilera music. This strategy must have worked for her in the past for her to keep doing it. I know guys sometimes think with their penis but damn...magic lamp testicles?!?!

    Too bad theres no psychic at the door. There's got to be a better system where freeloading is cutdown significantly and everyone could be happy. Like a prepaid membership or like someone mentioned above a voucher system. Like pay what you can but no freeloading. If I was a manager or owner of a club I'd figure a way to quickly usher broke looky loos "furniture" waaaaay to the back. And fire all the sucky dancers.

    I think the best stripperweb peeps - dancers and customers - should start our own strip club

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    I have this theory that the girls who rub testicles are probably the ones who need to offer more to make money. I never had to resort to this but many do, thinking it involves a sale. Sort of like the ones who go around kissing customers.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    tipping a girl to talk is not unheard of in my club, but they rarely tip more than 40 or 50..and they expect so much of your time, i don't find it worth it. i could make $50 in 6 minutes ( minus the short hustle), so why spend an hour or two unless thats the only guy in the entire club?
    and yes, a LOT of guys just sit at the bar chugging beer and watching the naked girls on stage , and then have the balls to say " i just came in here for a drink" when you ask if they want a dance..yeah, ok dude, like you chose to come here JUST to drink the ridiculously priced beer. i'm glad to hear you aren't like that though
    and IME, its not just the younger more inexperienced dancers who think rubbing balls or cock is a sure fire way of getting a dance..some of the dirtiest girls at my club are the senior dancers sadly

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    I have suggested to mgmt that they monitor all customers who come in, & any1 who doesn't tip or otherwise spend on the dancers in 20min gets booted. Didn't go over well, once they stopped laughing & realised I was serious. 'But then they won't come baaaaaaack!' Goddamn whiney-ass mgmt that's getting their pockets lined at the expense of the girls who are supposedly there to attract their pocket-liners … I agree w/ SWers starting our own club! Let's organise a huge SW convention & make this happen!!!

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    I never say anything to them unless they tell me outright "I'm just here to drink and hang out" which is becoming more and more common lately, especially on game days. Yesterday a guy even had the audacity to shake his head "No" at me, as I walking by, when I hadn't even talked to him...As if I'M bothering HIM in my own club. Those guys deserve to have their balls handed to them.

    Once I figure a guy isn't going to spend any $ on me, I just make a mental note of him and move on. If he really wasted my time with no intentions of spending or tipping whatsoever, it gets spread through the DR like wildfire and the other girls will ignore him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    I agree w/ SWers starting our own club! Let's organise a huge SW convention & make this happen!!!
    Hells Yeah! Im down. I am dying to meet some of you in real life! I almost met the OP but The Ball Whisperer had him occupied lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    I have suggested to mgmt that they monitor all customers who come in, & any1 who doesn't tip or otherwise spend on the dancers in 20min gets booted. Didn't go over well, once they stopped laughing & realised I was serious. 'But then they won't come baaaaaaack!' Goddamn whiney-ass mgmt that's getting their pockets lined at the expense of the girls who are supposedly there to attract their pocket-liners … I agree w/ SWers starting our own club! Let's organise a huge SW convention & make this happen!!!
    Yeah when I mentioned making it harder to have freeloaders come in the manager actually said that. Why would they want men who don't spend money? These guys weren't tipping the waitresses either. In fact quite a few got one cheap drink (like a water or soda)and nursed it for hours.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    They club that I hang out at has lots of televisions tuned to just about all of the sports options available. I enjoy sitting at the bar watching a game and chatting with the bartenders and enjoying their cleavage. That is part of the appeal of the club for me. I do check out the stage during commercials, and if I see a dancer who is eye-catching, I will wander over and leave her a dollar or two before returning to my seat. (If, on the other hand, they are just standing and looking bored, I will stay at the bar). When I'm done watching the game, I am always good for several private dances. If you come over to me before I'm done watching, I'll offer to buy you a drink, or tell you when to come back to me when the game is over. (I don't really expect you to keep track of the game to know when to come back, but if you do, that will guarantee I'll head to the lap dance room with you, just for keeping track)
    I'm not sure what the moral of this is, but I'll make these observations:
    1. Because of the sports on tv and the laid back atmosphere of the place, this bar does attract a lot of "furniture," in your words;
    2. But it is this atmosphere that I like.
    3. If you saw me there, you might adjudge me to be furniture. I guess that's okay, because when I'm ready, if no one comes over to me, I'm not too shy to approach a lady who has attracted my attention. I' there enough so many of the dancers know I'm not furniture, although not all have the patience or timing or whatever it takes to get my business.


    I guess one thing this points out is that the club does not have the same interest as the dancers. They make most of their money on drinks. (They have relatively low tipout charges for the dancers and don't take a cut of regular lapdances, just champagne and VIP rooms, so the dancers are there mostly to bring in the customers).

    I suppose I also like the fact that the dancers do not grab my genitals to get me to get a dance. There's another club 20 minutes away where that is the practice, and I've stopped going there, even though they have lots of sports on tv, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Yeah when I mentioned making it harder to have freeloaders come in the manager actually said that. Why would they want men who don't spend money? These guys weren't tipping the waitresses either. In fact quite a few got one cheap drink (like a water or soda)and nursed it for hours.
    I think freeloaders serve a purpose in that the make the club look fuller/busier than it really is which entices the paying customers to come in. BUT, they really should require them to sit in the back. WAY far in the back, like they need binoculars to see some tits.

    And I am wondering why strip clubs have tv's - tuned to sports of all things?!?! If I owned a club, I would not have tvs turned onto sports. Men get sooo into their sports games they tune out everything else. If I did have tvs I'd turn it on to images of sexy models in lingerie or something enticing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I think freeloaders serve a purpose in that the make the club look fuller/busier than it really is which entices the paying customers to come in. BUT, they really should require them to sit in the back. WAY far in the back, like they need binoculars to see some tits.
    That is a good point. It may entice paying customers. The club I mentioned though wasn't getting many good customers. Instead they seemed to attract more trash.

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    Eh, we all have bad nights. Sounds like this girl desperately needed to make a certain amount of money that night and was letting the stress get to her. I wish I could say I've never used the wrong sales tactic (like being overly touchy-feely, for example, though I'm much more likely to err in the other direction), or snapped at a customer I perceived to be cheap. We all have off nights, and some dancers don't really know what they're doing. Try not to over-think it.

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    What about the reverse? What about if someone is a terrible customer for the bar, but spends plenty of money tipping the dancers and buying dances. That's essentially me as a custy. I don't really drink, get a soda or water, tip the girls and buy dances. Thoughts?

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    ^As a dancer, I don't give half a fuck how many drinks you buy. I'm sure the club would love if you bought more drinks, but if you pay your cover (if applicable), buy at least one drink (or whatever the minimum is) and tip the waitress, they've got nothing to complain about -- especially if you're actually spending on the dancers and not just nursing your water and staring at the stage for hours.

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    Default Re: So you're just here to drink and watch the free show

    Exactly. Not everyone drinks a lot, I'll usually drink a soda for a few hours. I've never seen a club complain about that. The only time it's a problem is when he comes in, doesn't tip the waitress, drinks for hours and doesn't spend any money.

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