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    Default Re: This is why our cut is only 35%

    Still, if they lose the majority of their contractors, then they are out of business. From this stance, employees/contractors are the same.

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    Default Re: This is why our cut is only 35%

    I would imagine that operating costs, covering cbs and the cammodels link/affiliate program have more to do with the low payout percentage than the salaries and benefits granted to 150 people. Taken in the context of free chat/private-based cam sites, sm actually pays out more than LJ, IMLive and cams, for example, and actually gives chicas the opportunity to earn 75% (for those who bring their own traffic).
    Fully agree with Loveshooks in this regard. Where an adult website of any kind is concerned, the #1 'cost' will be internet backbone bandwidth and servers. Next will probably be customer credit card processing fees, currency exchange spread costs, absorbed 'chargeback' costs, payroll and accounting costs etc. ... which I would guess amounts to something on the order of at least 10% of total sales dollars for an outfit as big and as international as SM. Somewhere in the mix will be the cost of payouts to affiliates. There are also likely to be additional costs for debt service ( paying back investors / paying interest and principal on borrowed money ). At the low end of this cost 'totem pole' would be employee payroll.


    Still, if they lose the majority of their contractors, then they are out of business. From this stance, employees/contractors are the same
    Well, not exactly !!! Most countries' laws provide protections for striking 'employees' ... most notably legal sanctions against an 'employer' who attempts to fire and 'blackball' striking workers. Those legal sanctions effectively prevent the 'employer' from immediately hiring new 'employees' to replace the workers who chose to go on strike ... which in turn means that the 'employer' cannot continue business as usual until a strike is 'settled'.

    This is clearly not the case for independent contractors who choose to 'quit' in hopes of being offered better 'contract terms'. As independent contractors, the business faces no legal sanctions whatsoever if all of the strikers are 'fired' and 'banned' permanently, with new contractors encouraged to sign up in their place.
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    Default Re: This is why our cut is only 35%

    all those good paid employees w benefits are the smart employees
    web developers
    IT
    project managers
    etc
    business is a business and needs to pay the higher end techs and support

    There are millions of cammodels and not near as much behind the scenes that can put this on their resume in the corporate world and not get a side eye.
    We need these people to run our business so pay these ppl well or get the shaft like other sites

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    I actually looked into the costs of running a cam site and really it's not that much overhead. You can contract out your video streaming services to sites like UVault and hire all contract web developers etc. That's the easy part. The big money is in the marketing and trying to get the most hits with SEO and I'm sure SM spends most of their money on that which accounts for traffic stats and why they are pretty much number one. But still, even after all of that, the profit and revenue is huge. How is it that MFC and CB can pay us 60% with almost the same amount of technology? It is still not fair that SM takes 65% of OUR earnings.

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    Someday I will start up a cam site run by cam girls for cam girls. It will be co-op where we all own shares. We will have a start up fund for those cam girls who need cams/lighting/equipment. And the pay cut will be at least 60%. Because it will be non-profit run, all of the profits will go towards marketing to make the site the number one cam site and blow all the other big box sites out of the water simply because all the girls will have no need to cam on any other site. YEAH.

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    Default Re: This is why our cut is only 35%

    if you wonder why customer support sucks, they are paid like customer support is usually paid, min wage an no benefits

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    You dont have to work on SM if you dont like the 35 percent payout. We can cam on any site we like which is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Someday I will start up a cam site run by cam girls for cam girls. It will be co-op where we all own shares. We will have a start up fund for those cam girls who need cams/lighting/equipment. And the pay cut will be at least 60%. Because it will be non-profit run, all of the profits will go towards marketing to make the site the number one cam site and blow all the other big box sites out of the water simply because all the girls will have no need to cam on any other site. YEAH.

    any oldsters having a flashback


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    ^^ I'm sure we've all had ideas! Maybe someday a cam girl will finally do it!

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    I am with Tempting Model on this one.

    One: You do NOT have to work for SM there are several sites out there that pay out 50%. Go hustle on them.

    Two: Do your own fucking marketing with the cammodel link & be pulling in 75% when the guy cams with you & 20% when he cams with someone else. 75% is HUGE!

    ThreeT: ALL contracts are renegotiable, you are a top earner then go back to SM & renegotiate your contract. ALL cam contracts are negotiable, but ONLY if you are a top person in sales & traffic. You do the work to get to that position & work from strength & then you can. I have had several cam companies willing to change the terms of the contract for me. NOT SM, because I thought their contract was by far the most fair of them all.

    No sense in belly aching about this matter, when you can choose to go somewhere else & cam or become an independent contractor & handle the billing, traffic & chargebacks all on your own. NOBODY is forcing you to cam for SM or any other site. I didn't like the percentage & how biz was done on the backside of imlive years ago, so I moved on. After many attempts to get admin to rectify stuff that was wrong & got no results, I quite & cammed somewhere else.


    Fact is: you want the power to change things then start with yourself. That is what I did many years ago. I built up my social media, I built my brand, I built my traffic & image recognition. All because I knew the future & that what was it takes to become a power player who gets to name their own terms. All of you have the ability to do the same, there are NO excuses.

    I have changed many things in the porn industry I didn't like when I first got in. I laughed at what the power players at the time told me & did what I set out to do. There was a time when older or bbws didn't get hired for shoots or got to work for many of the mainstream porn companies. Now they do.

    You don't bitch, you don't complain. You dont look to others to change it for you. YOU DO IT!

    NONE of you have any excuse for NOT doing your own marketing on a daily basis to get the 75% from SM or 100% of doing it all on your own as an independent.

    If SM is out there on a non-adult venue trying to hire great employees for the back end ONLY benefits us when we do cam. To get great talented employees you have to pay better or create a wonderful work environment. Props to SM!


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    I'd love to know how you do your own marketing. I would love for you to share your techniques because for me the twitter/tumblr/snapchat/vine/kik etc. is not cutting it. Would you be able to join us on this Sunday on our Camming Connection Google Hangout at 3pm EST? I will be posting the link on the Verified Models group.

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    Default Re: This is why our cut is only 35%

    Those who don't like the 35% -- I have to wonder if you've tried out sites that pay more? some pay 50, 65, 80%.

    I do work some of them and it is nice side money but the fact is they do not have as much traffic and they either don't have enough money to get it or don't know how.


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    If we all knew each others tricks, there would be no creative marketing
    gotta get creative and put yourself out there

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    Got that right! I rarely cam on SM. I prefer my non free chat sites, mostly indy.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You dont have to work on SM if you dont like the 35 percent payout. We can cam on any site we like which is awesome.
    Taking a break from all unproductive shit will prove to be the best choice you can make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I'd love to know how you do your own marketing. I would love for you to share your techniques because for me the twitter/tumblr/snapchat/vine/kik etc. is not cutting it. Would you be able to join us on this Sunday on our Camming Connection Google Hangout at 3pm EST? I will be posting the link on the Verified Models group.
    I have posted on marketing before.

    Read up on marketing in general, many things are universal & learning the basics is a good thing. There are many books & online tutorials on that subject. It is time & learning that is an investment that pays off for a life time no matter what your job is.

    Pics & GIFs... either one if done well or very badly(lol) can go viral & get posted everywhere on the web. Learn how to watermark your pics, even selfies. Become a selfie queen. GET CREATIVE! It is Halloween, take advantage & play dress up. Hell, I love this job because I get to play dress up every day.

    There are many apps for you phone for editing & watermarking your selfies.

    Post at LEAST 5 pics a day on social media sites. Build up your followers. Learn how to use hashtags.... Make cute Gifs.

    Find away to be original & do a youtube page. Become a social media hit in new ways without sex.

    Be funny, be cute, be on your game. Network & work with other models. Go out have fun, take all kinds of pics to post to show you have fun in life. Share that love with pics & short videos. Find your passion & learn to share it with the world in a positive, fun way. Makes you a more rounded person & gives fans aka customers a way to connect with you on a different level. Do you love football? ARe you are indy 500 freak? Do you listen to Jazz & go to concerts? Do you love to cook? Do you collect comic book? Into Vampire erotica?

    BE MORE! HAVE FUN!

    For each social media site there are general tutorials on how to be good & get more followers on them. Even I have to learn more to up my game. But trying to learn Premier basics so I can learn After effects right now.

    There are many ways each of us can up our game. Think of it as a fun challenge. When you do accomplish each thing, you grow as a person & as a successful business person. These are NEW SKILLS that are marketable without being in adult. SKILLs that many mainstream companies are at a lost on how to do accomplish. Many mainstream companies are at a loss on how to market on the web in this NEW ONLINE world. But us girls in porn are AWESOME at it, WOOOHOOO!

    Thing is cost very little money but takes imagination & a short learning curve to do it. Which is WaY COOL! Retweet, reblog, re-whatever other models who are posting great pics, gifs & videos that you like or love. Share the love!

    I did a GIF from a Giantess video I did. Posted it on my tumblr & twitter. A week later my boyfriend, all the way from Paris, called & told me he saw it on a muscle/fitness forum & loved it. He laughed when he saw it was me. That Gif got posted in places I would have never thought it would be. When I made it I was Laughing MY Ass off... but then didn't know if others would get my sense of humor. I'm nuts, half the stuff I post is for my own amusement, if others get it, GREAT!

    __________________________________________________ _________________________________

    And Yes Nikki I am having a flash back. Just joined this site & pretty much went to war over that matter with a person I shall not name.

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    There are many ladies how are successful at it in adult & not. Look at KK.... prime example where social media is making her MILLIONS.. look at her social media feeds to get ideas.

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    First of all, what loveshooks said 110%.

    Second of all, these kind of posts are always funny to me.

    Do y'all know what it costs to run a successful business? One as huge as SM? One with as much PAYING TRAFFIC as SM? Poking around and saying you've "researched" what it costs to run a cam site... right. I mean, maybe you have done some research... but I doubt you've found anything accurate on what it costs to run an operation as huge and successful as SM.

    Go ahead and work the higher payout sites... 50% of $0 is still $0. Don't tell me SM has no paying traffic... it has TONS of paying traffic. TONS. If it didn't there wouldn't be models on the site banking day in and day out. If SM had no paying traffic, how would I be able to support my growing family on my SM income alone??? The traffic is there. You just have to know how to work it. Not everyone who joins a cam site is going to "make it big", but it doesn't mean that the site is dead or has no traffic because of the ones not making it, make the loudest noise. There is only so much to go around, and you have to know how to fight your way to the top in order to come out ahead. That's just business.

    We are all independent contractors, we are all business owners. We should all be doing our own marketing like Sam always says. If if twitter and other marketing avenues aren't cutting it... you're not doing it right. Just because something doesn't work for one person or even many people, doesn't mean it just doesn't work as a whole.

    Sorry to be blunt. But I'll say again as I have in many posts, we always need to be looking to ourselves if we aren't making the money we want to be making.
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    Want a raise... easy raise your per minute rate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    I wonder what would happen if a bunch of us walked into their office in Seattle and demanded a higher payout.
    They'd probably have us escorted out by security, in all honesty. Maybe we could bring a famous reporter. Cam girl strike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    Those who don't like the 35% -- I have to wonder if you've tried out sites that pay more? some pay 50, 65, 80%.

    I do work some of them and it is nice side money but the fact is they do not have as much traffic and they either don't have enough money to get it or don't know how.
    I stayed away from other sites because I heard they are dead/don't have traffic, but I actually make a lot more on those than SM these days. So they are worth a try for sure. There is less traffic, but I only need 1-3 guys to make my goal because the payout is higher.

    Also bbs you can look into C4S which has a lot of traffic, but you don't have to actively hustle dudes into a sale. Some people are just...not great hustlers myself included lol

    So don't write off a site just because you heard it's dead and feel confined to SM or MFC, because that's what I did and it was limiting.

    I am really excited for indy camming and that's going to be my next project.

    Anyway just some #encouraging #positive words for those who feel exploited by SM. You do have options.

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    In regards to a strike... we all work different sites SO in theory, we could strike ONE site at a time until we get what we want... HAHA For example, we can all plan to start a strike on SM and all of us could work other sites while on strike. We could actually plan for this. Strikes are how workers get results in the vanilla world. And we are lucky that if we strike, we can still earn... I'd be down to strike SM for higher payout, especially after hearing about Bagel Fridays! I'd suggest at least 6 months of planning so we can get the word out and make it like CRICKETS on there

    PS- mostly joking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineyLane View Post
    In regards to a strike... we all work different sites SO in theory, we could strike ONE site at a time until we get what we want... HAHA For example, we can all plan to start a strike on SM and all of us could work other sites while on strike. We could actually plan for this. Strikes are how workers get results in the vanilla world. And we are lucky that if we strike, we can still earn... I'd be down to strike SM for higher payout, especially after hearing about Bagel Fridays! I'd suggest at least 6 months of planning so we can get the word out and make it like CRICKETS on there
    Here's what would happen if cam models were to "strike".

    First of all, not all of them would "strike". Even union employees don't HAVE to strike... I remember as a kid my Dad worked at Boeing and they were always on strike when their contracts came up for renewal... my Dad rarely ever participated in the strike. So, a lot of models could "strike" but not all of them will. So what happens... the models who "strike" don't make money because they aren't working, and the models who continue to work, suddenly get a lot of visibility and start to make all the money that the "striking" models were making. The customers certainly are not going to "strike" for us and quit spending, so they will find new models to spend their money on. Thus, the cam site and the models who keep working, continue to make money and therefore, the "striking" models get no where.

    If there were a cam girl "strike"... want to know where you would find me? On the #1 spot of Streamate BANKING MY ASS OFF. Seriously. lol Ain't nobody got time for that!

    Also I mean... they pay us 35% but they don't make us cover chargebacks, and they bring a shit load of traffic without us HAVING to market ourselves. Marketing ourselves is just a nice bonus. So sure, maybe if hell froze over you could convince them to pay us higher... but it wouldn't come without a cost to us. We would have to cover chargebacks, or they wouldn't spend as much on traffic. They aren't going to get rid of their profit margin... they are in business to make money, as much as they can. Same business I'm in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Here's what would happen if cam models were to "strike".



    If there were a cam girl "strike"... want to know where you would find me? On the #1 spot of Streamate BANKING MY ASS OFF. Seriously. lol Ain't nobody got time for that!
    lolollol
    we would be sum rich bitches lol
    I love when there are no models online with out a strike
    we would be so damn expensive and banking 24.99 per min priv all day bc other models are on strike

    I have heard of the cammodel strike before through the years on stripperweb and just waiting to hit "start show" button
    We have had everything from strike to Armageddon planned on sw
    lol^^^ wipes tears rofl

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvnrockets View Post
    I wonder what would happen if a bunch of us walked into their office in Seattle and demanded a higher payout.
    I'd totally do it. 35% is pathetic

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    Sam,
    You are the mama of SW, you rock! I always have to reread what you wrote because it's so GOOD, it's like SW porn. I agreed 100%. Life is all about making changes, not excuses. Live by choice not by chance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I am with Tempting Model on this one.

    One: You do NOT have to work for SM there are several sites out there that pay out 50%. Go hustle on them.

    Two: Do your own fucking marketing with the cammodel link & be pulling in 75% when the guy cams with you & 20% when he cams with someone else. 75% is HUGE!

    ThreeT: ALL contracts are renegotiable, you are a top earner then go back to SM & renegotiate your contract. ALL cam contracts are negotiable, but ONLY if you are a top person in sales & traffic. You do the work to get to that position & work from strength & then you can. I have had several cam companies willing to change the terms of the contract for me. NOT SM, because I thought their contract was by far the most fair of them all.

    No sense in belly aching about this matter, when you can choose to go somewhere else & cam or become an independent contractor & handle the billing, traffic & chargebacks all on your own. NOBODY is forcing you to cam for SM or any other site. I didn't like the percentage & how biz was done on the backside of imlive years ago, so I moved on. After many attempts to get admin to rectify stuff that was wrong & got no results, I quite & cammed somewhere else.


    Fact is: you want the power to change things then start with yourself. That is what I did many years ago. I built up my social media, I built my brand, I built my traffic & image recognition. All because I knew the future & that what was it takes to become a power player who gets to name their own terms. All of you have the ability to do the same, there are NO excuses.

    I have changed many things in the porn industry I didn't like when I first got in. I laughed at what the power players at the time told me & did what I set out to do. There was a time when older or bbws didn't get hired for shoots or got to work for many of the mainstream porn companies. Now they do.

    You don't bitch, you don't complain. You dont look to others to change it for you. YOU DO IT!

    NONE of you have any excuse for NOT doing your own marketing on a daily basis to get the 75% from SM or 100% of doing it all on your own as an independent.

    If SM is out there on a non-adult venue trying to hire great employees for the back end ONLY benefits us when we do cam. To get great talented employees you have to pay better or create a wonderful work environment. Props to SM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Here's what would happen if cam models were to "strike".

    First of all, not all of them would "strike". Even union employees don't HAVE to strike... I remember as a kid my Dad worked at Boeing and they were always on strike when their contracts came up for renewal... my Dad rarely ever participated in the strike. So, a lot of models could "strike" but not all of them will. So what happens... the models who "strike" don't make money because they aren't working, and the models who continue to work, suddenly get a lot of visibility and start to make all the money that the "striking" models were making. The customers certainly are not going to "strike" for us and quit spending, so they will find new models to spend their money on. Thus, the cam site and the models who keep working, continue to make money and therefore, the "striking" models get no where.

    If there were a cam girl "strike"... want to know where you would find me? On the #1 spot of Streamate BANKING MY ASS OFF. Seriously. lol Ain't nobody got time for that!

    Also I mean... they pay us 35% but they don't make us cover chargebacks, and they bring a shit load of traffic without us HAVING to market ourselves. Marketing ourselves is just a nice bonus. So sure, maybe if hell froze over you could convince them to pay us higher... but it wouldn't come without a cost to us. We would have to cover chargebacks, or they wouldn't spend as much on traffic. They aren't going to get rid of their profit margin... they are in business to make money, as much as they can. Same business I'm in.

    Yeah, I know. People put themselves ahead of the greater good. IF you could actually convince EVERYONE to participate in a strike, NO "scabs" as they call them, then a strike could work. Heck, baseball went on strike remember? But anyway, we all know that the non-striking models would get online and ruin the movement. That's why I said I was MOSTLY joking... More of a theory than an actual suggestion. Like what if, men got pregnant instead of women. Or what would it be like if half the world was suddenly flooded. My point is that really the only way historically that change happens in the workplace is through a strike... I don't think it would actually work for webcam models, however... :/

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