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    This is a fucking awesome thread. You women are just incredible, if I could I'd make passes at every one of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineyLane View Post
    Yeah, I know. People put themselves ahead of the greater good. IF you could actually convince EVERYONE to participate in a strike, NO "scabs" as they call them, then a strike could work. Heck, baseball went on strike remember? But anyway, we all know that the non-striking models would get online and ruin the movement. That's why I said I was MOSTLY joking... More of a theory than an actual suggestion. Like what if, men got pregnant instead of women. Or what would it be like if half the world was suddenly flooded. My point is that really the only way historically that change happens in the workplace is through a strike... I don't think it would actually work for webcam models, however... :/
    Lol @ scabs

    You may have been mostly joking but this has been a serious suggestion brought up here numerous times over the years. It just comes down to a fundamental difference in beliefs. If I'm not happy with something I'm going to do something to change it for myself, rather than expect a private business to change their ways because I don't like it.

    Also, the greater good for "you" is different than the greater good for me. Who decides what the greater good is? I'm perfectly happy with 35% on SM. A higher percentage would mean other sacrifices that I would not consider to be good. Such as chargebacks taken from my pay or lower traffic. Even in a "strike" or negotiations no one gets everything they want. SM wouldn't eat the cost of giving a higher percentage, they would negotiate in other areas to make up for it. Thus, how "good" would a higher percentage actually be?

    Also, I wonder how many high earners on SM are complaining about their percentage? Are the ones that are vocal about the percentage the ones that aren't making what they want to be making, therefore looking for reasons other than themselves as to why that is, and coming to the conclusion that if they just got a higher percentage they would be where they want to be with their earnings? Something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Lol @ scabs


    Also, I wonder how many high earners on SM are complaining about their percentage? Are the ones that are vocal about the percentage the ones that aren't making what they want to be making, therefore looking for reasons other than themselves as to why that is, and coming to the conclusion that if they just got a higher percentage they would be where they want to be with their earnings? Something to consider.


    Not the case. It's just hard to swallow the fact that for every 1000 of pocketed earnings, SM just made ~2800 from it.

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    That wouldnt work.There are ladies turning 18 every day that will just sign up for the sites and replace us. Look how many cam performers there are and many of them are happy, they are not going to strike. If you want a better wage on a cam site, then work on another cam site. No one makes any of us work on SM.

    Striking wouldn't work in porn in general.


    Quote Originally Posted by RaineyLane View Post
    In regards to a strike... we all work different sites SO in theory, we could strike ONE site at a time until we get what we want... HAHA For example, we can all plan to start a strike on SM and all of us could work other sites while on strike. We could actually plan for this. Strikes are how workers get results in the vanilla world. And we are lucky that if we strike, we can still earn... I'd be down to strike SM for higher payout, especially after hearing about Bagel Fridays! I'd suggest at least 6 months of planning so we can get the word out and make it like CRICKETS on there

    PS- mostly joking...

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    I would rather work on a high traffic site and make more money investing less time. But that is the frustrating trade off. Sigh. Whatevs! Marketing is the way to go and yes like Sam38g and SarahTime says it is up to me to work with what is out there and make the best of it! Everything is provided to succeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Everything is provided to succeed!
    That sums it up

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    Greater good/// a strike////
    No need to strike go, work for a different cam company that pays out more or become an independent.

    Not like SM is the ONLY cam company.
    I remember what the old cam company contracts were.. Most paid out 30% or even LESS! ALL of them took money out of our checks for chargebacks. All of them treated us like replaceable bimbos.

    SM constantly works to improve the site. They do listen to model suggestions. They do work WITH us hence the cammodel link to make more money.

    Used to cam with Naked. I MADE a higher percentage & a higher rate than the other models. Stayed loyal to them for a long time ,but averaged about $20 an hour. Got pissed off at working so hard for that $20 per hour & tweeted that I needed help in finding a new cam company. A girl I never met, was a sweetheart & signed me up to SM> My first hour on I made $300, Now I average $100 or more per hour.

    Camming is about the hustle, no matter what site you are on.

    My favorite quote "Things may come to those who wait, but ONLY what is left over by the hustlers." Abraham Lincoln.

    What are you waiting on? Go become an independent... put the work into finding converting traffic, put the work in to build a fan base, put the work in dealing with free loader after free loader with 20 fucking questions & cons it takes to make it as an independent. You don't like the split cam sites have, then YOU put the work in & find out how hard it REALLY is to hustle.

    Don't dismiss the chargeback issue cam sites have to deal with on a daily basis. I know for a fact, one cam company was hit with $200,000 in chargebacks due to European models & a few American girls running a scam with Russian mafia & stolen credit cards. Cam companies deal with fraud & issues you can never imagine, constantly.

    Do you know how much affiliates get paid out? Do you know how much it cost to process credit cards? How much it cost to do advertising? How much it cost in man hours of paper work for models who never cam one day or last a week? Do you know how much it cost to buy traffic? Do you know how much it cost to be pop unders on tubesites? Not to mention, servers, bandwidth & dealing with hackers....

    To ONLY see it from your perspective rather than the big picture is short sided. You want to be a BOSS then think BiG PICTURE!

    I have no pity or sympathy. I worked HARD for years just WANTING the kind of opportunity SM, MFC & such offer us now. I worked HARD for years on marketing & posting pics when yahoo had groups to get traffic & build my brand hoping one day opportunities such as the ones we have now would exist. I had faith, I had hope, one day it would be possible for us girls to work or hustle in so many ways to bank. Instead of sucking off some icky old nerdy guy who owned a porn site for a job.

    I have gratitude for what we can accomplish these days on our own or with companies out there now.

    Sam


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    Quote Originally Posted by xoprincessremy View Post
    Not the case. It's just hard to swallow the fact that for every 1000 of pocketed earnings, SM just made ~2800 from it.
    I wasn't speaking about any one person in particular, just in general since SM's percentage seems to be discussed fairly often.
    xoxo ~ Sarah




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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Someday I will start up a cam site run by cam girls for cam girls.
    This is what loveshooks did.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

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    THE GREATER GOOD!


    Sorry, just had to do it... ^_^
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    *Bows down to Sam*
    That's the truth there.

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    MUST. SUBSCRIBE.

    When people ask who my heroes are, I say Joss Whedon, but in my head, I think of Stoya and the women on SW.

    I would never have started in this business without people like you not only because of the AWESOME information you post, but because you women proved to me SO QUICKLY that this industry is filled with girls who are not only sexy, but amazing, inspirational, and fucking brilliant.

    /droolsession

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I have posted on marketing before.

    Read up on marketing in general, many things are universal & learning the basics is a good thing. There are many books & online tutorials on that subject. It is time & learning that is an investment that pays off for a life time no matter what your job is.

    Pics & GIFs... either one if done well or very badly(lol) can go viral & get posted everywhere on the web. Learn how to watermark your pics, even selfies. Become a selfie queen. GET CREATIVE! It is Halloween, take advantage & play dress up. Hell, I love this job because I get to play dress up every day.
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    SM pays 35% to girls who don't hustle their cammodels link. You want a higher percentage on SM? You don't need to march into their office and demand that they give it to you. The option has always existed for you to take advantage of.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no love or loyalty for SM. The fact that they are selling our videos behind our backs without telling us about it or giving us a cent for them is some sneaky and underhanded bullshit.

    But that still doesn't make it less true that if you want a higher percentage from SM that you'll probably see it way faster by picking up a marketing book then you would by striking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    The fact that they are selling our videos behind our backs without telling us about it or giving us a cent for them is some sneaky and underhanded bullshit.
    Just for those that don't know, geo-blocking even one location means they won't do this.

    I got this message today from them: You cannot find yourself online because you have the Geographical Restrictions turned on. Please use this feature carefully as it will impact the volume of user that see your profile. Restricting any location will remove you from the sort and searches for non-logged in members. Additionally, any advertising or additional exposure of your profile will also be disabled.

    Not being used as an ad and not getting basic bitches staring at me? Fuck yeah. I don't even care if it affects my placement.


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    This is why I don't work SM anymore..were getting fucked literally lol! SM has been sucking for along time anyways now..a lot more girls are leaving..it will eventually just be another site that was once a good site..kinda like social media sites and technology..one comes up..one goes down..hopefully the next ones that come up pay out more and doesn't steal our content and never pay us for the life long stolen content of ours..and hopefully they keep private chat an option and stop with mandatory free chat cause that is killing the camming business

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivybunny View Post
    Just for those that don't know, geo-blocking even one location means they won't do this.

    I got this message today from them: You cannot find yourself online because you have the Geographical Restrictions turned on. Please use this feature carefully as it will impact the volume of user that see your profile. Restricting any location will remove you from the sort and searches for non-logged in members. Additionally, any advertising or additional exposure of your profile will also be disabled.

    Not being used as an ad and not getting basic bitches staring at me? Fuck yeah. I don't even care if it affects my placement.
    I've actually heard otherwise. I've heard from other girls that they are selling videos on their SM profile whether or not they had geo-block on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I've actually heard otherwise. I've heard from other girls that they are selling videos on their SM profile whether or not they had geo-block on.
    Oh HEEEELLL NAW.

    Now THAT is a reason to storm the gates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I'd love to know how you do your own marketing. I would love for you to share your techniques because for me the twitter/tumblr/snapchat/vine/kik etc. is not cutting it. Would you be able to join us on this Sunday on our Camming Connection Google Hangout at 3pm EST? I will be posting the link on the Verified Models group.
    I know this was directed at Sam but I figured I'd respond with what worked for me. I've banked off my own traffic for the past few of years and my method was to examine my core client bases, figure out how to reach each of them (each client base/niche will require different strategies) and work 20-30 hours a week doing so (while simultaneously figuring out how to pair that marketing with actions/tasks that would product immediate income to compensate for the time and effort involved). Creativity is incredibly vital here, in the first year I probably spent as much time thinking about strategy as I did actually working on it. The next step is to inspire them to keep coming back week after week, year after year by putting 110% into every show. Every time you succeed at one goal branch out, keep pushing. View yourself as a business, not a product.

    The same principles apply to those who choose to use cammodels links instead of their own indy cam show system. Yes base free chat site payout percentages suck but chicas use 'em because it's the one system where you can earn a healthy living just turning on your cam, without all the off cam work. As a solely indy chica that concept is totally foreign to me, for real. Paying traffic has a cost, for indy chicas in time, for sm chicas who don't wish to self-promote in $$$$.

    not even gonna touch the scabs reference in a world-wide online industry. I will say though that if I were a network site chica wanting to push for improved conditions my first priority would be eradicating the virtual studio system and getting rid of the studio-mandatory-region rule. Let's not forget many chicas who do the same work as everyone else earn less, would love to earn the full 35% sm offers as base pay to Western non-studio models. That deserves some rage and righteous indignation.


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    LOL- I have a strange hypothetical mind. Not sure if you all get my hypothetical imagination through what I write. I'm not complaining about my earnings, nor did I start this thread. But when it was suggested what would they do if we all marched in there and asked for a higher cut how would they react, the first thing that I thought of was what would they do if NO models were on. NOT A SINGLE ONE. They would notice something. i realize that a strike with porn won't ever happen. But it's funny to imagine how it would go down. I'm not complaining, but I DO choose to work sites with higher percentages and split with SM to deal with the slower traffic. Although, I don't think SM is all that for traffic either. Really, they should pay a higher cut to the earners. Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect? We all make choices. I choose to cam more on a higher percentage site as well other models. New sites open up, old ones die. Big companies fail, if they can't maintain a balance. Life is choice. It's like how do you get the big evil food companies like Monsanto to fall? Easy, by not supporting them with your purchasing power. Don't buy their shit. The trend in camming is towards higher percentage payout, so I do believe that over time, SM will have to increase their percentage by rule of the butterfly effect. Models start splitting with slower high paying sites, until the slower sites are not slow because more models go to them. At that point, you don't need SM. So models start camming there less. SM sees less profit and starts to figure out why. They realize models prefer to cam with higher paying sites and might change their business model to pay their "bread winners" higher.

    I love the points my silly strike suggestion brought up and agree. Focus on what we can change and/or control and I do that. Again, not actually suggesting a strike. It's just fun to imagine how something like that would go down. The best part of this fantasy, are the looks on the faces of the SM executives when they are looking for the models. I picture it like a movie in my mind. You know like when the NASA people are all serious in "Armageddon"? (Now do you all see where I was going with this?!) Remember that I also love my weed...

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    Oh thank god. When I first saw this post, I was so afraid this was gonna turn into a circle jerk thread. Instead, wonderful information and advice!

    I love you guys!





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    The strip club I used to work at had a walk out when they demanded a bigger cut of our earnings (just saying),

    It is galling to think of them earning money at our expense but every sales job is based on such predicate. When I worked in a book shop for £6/$10 an hour I knew the bosses and shareholders were on 6 figures a year. Piece of shit but it's how capitalism works. Of course I'd like a bigger cut and being self employed is hard, but considering I don't need to get dressed or leave the house to earn my living I don't think I'm doing too badly.

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    Do you know how much affiliates get paid out? Do you know how much it cost to process credit cards? How much it cost to do advertising? How much it cost in man hours of paper work for models who never cam one day or last a week? Do you know how much it cost to buy traffic? Do you know how much it cost to be pop unders on tubesites? Not to mention, servers, bandwidth & dealing with hackers....
    Yup ... and you left out Section 2257 compliance costs, legal costs, regulatory compliance costs, search engine 'paid placement' costs, and a host of others. We 'old-timers' who ran our own adult websites back in the 90's had the ( unfortunate ) opportunity to see each of these new 'obstacles' ... and the associated new costs ... suck the life's blood out of our 100% indy business model.


    Paying traffic has a cost, for indy chicas in time, for sm chicas who don't wish to self-promote in $$$$.
    Indeed !!!

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    Why isn't anyone bitching about the EVEN LOWER percentage that some other cam sites give us? Cams.com and ImLive come to mind. Those sites give around 30% payout AND don't have the paying traffic like SM does. What are THEY doing with all of that money they take?! Shouldn't they be the main concern over SM where plenty of ladies are making their main income from? But no, because most of you don't use those sites as your main site...why?! Because you can't make as much there as you can on SM. So obviously SM is doing something right! I won't complain since I still make almost all of my money there. If you're not making most of your money on SM, then find a site where you can...it's that simple. I tried out ImLive and Cams and found that I just wasn't able to pull in the money I wanted so I either stopped camming there or use them as a splitting site. No need to "strike" against those sites...just don't use them if they can't provide what you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivybunny View Post
    Just for those that don't know, geo-blocking even one location means they won't do this.

    I got this message today from them: You cannot find yourself online because you have the Geographical Restrictions turned on. Please use this feature carefully as it will impact the volume of user that see your profile. Restricting any location will remove you from the sort and searches for non-logged in members. Additionally, any advertising or additional exposure of your profile will also be disabled.

    Not being used as an ad and not getting basic bitches staring at me? Fuck yeah. I don't even care if it affects my placement.


    I recently blocked Alaska. It hasn't affected the traffic to my room.


    Do you know how it affects your placement for logged-in (paying) customers?

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