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    Stealing content
    I'm not sure I've got this in the right place, and I'm not sure if I have any business posting in this forum, I realise it's not designed with customers in mind, and this post might border on trolling. Please realise it's asked in genuine curiosity, it's possible I don't understand the law, or that I've missed something obvious.

    I saw this thread in the camming connection section.

    It contains a link to a list of E-books, which can be read for free. While some of these books are obviously designed to be free (one of them is just a copy of a wikipedia page) Some others are books that people have written to be sold. One contains the words:
    Published by

    January 2008.
    Copyright © 2008 by
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    All Rights Reserved Worldwide.
    No part of this e-book may be copied or sold!




    And goes on to say
    The book has been published by Miss Bellemare herself and is sold from her Boutique


    In the thread models are offering services in exchange for the updated link and talking about how it's good that they don't need to spend money getting these books on Kindle.

    I don't steal or swap models content, but I wonder if they have right to get annoyed about it when it happens if they do it themselves.

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    I was the one that bumped the thread so lemme get a chance to reply.

    I am one of a legion of cam models, so let me say that my opinions are not reflective of the entire community. That being said, of course I would get annoyed. Perhaps not at the fact that my work was being passed around on the internet but rather that we are in the unique business of providing a service that is inextricable from our very embodied identity. Sure, we can try and disguise, keep our faces out of cam, etc. but for a lot of us, this is a security/privacy issue AS WELL as having our work being taken without consent. When our work is taken, we have the unique experience of having a stranger feeling like (s)he is *sexually involved* with us, seeing us naked, etc. I got into this industry more than happy to exchange what I genuinely believe is a service, almost like care work. I did NOT get into this industry thrilled about the fact that I would be taken advantage of in any sexual capacity. (I'm aware here that this sounds a lot like I'm equating pirating adult content to rape. I'm not. But any feminist theorist worth her or his salt would say there is certainly more connection between pirating explicit content and sexual violation than most people are probably aware of.) On top of the fact that our embodied performances getting traffic outside of where we signed our contracts, limited our exposure means that we could be recognized, and subsequently disowned, it could ruin relationships, friendships, and we could be ex-communicated, etc. This is the reality of why camming/pornography is simply NOT the same as the other goods that are pirated on the internet.

    That being said, personally, I pay for a music subscription. Same with movies. As a comp sci geek, I know PLENTY of places where I can pirate porn for research. I don't. I'm saving up for a subscription to my favorite and limiting my choices because I'm willing to pay those 30 bucks for the content that people work for. I BUY my books hard copy as well as my games.

    Ebooks are interesting because many of them are self-published and copylefted. I myself have been planning to do the same thing. The fetish community is vibrant and happy to share its resources but it's not often compiled in a way that's accessible. This would be a good candidate. I in no way knew that any of the books on the list were copyrighted or what were even available on this link. I was actually looking for out of date books and free ones because all the big ones today at the best sex shop in my large city are GARBAGE. Fuck 50 Shades of Grey, and a pox on Stephanie Meyer's house for being the wellspring of BDSM wannabe SHIT that continues to rain down on us.

    HOWEVER, sidenote, I do believe the internet is changing. I'm one of those crowdsharing optimists. I love Amanda Palmer, the Pirate Party in Norway, etc. I think the face of shareable content industries are changing - it's economics 201 and it's our job to keep up with the times. I think these methods - not figuring out how to MAKE people pay but asking ourselves how to LET people pay - work with the right mindset and creative business practices. I'm incorporating as much as possible of this into my own work.

    There is another 'however', though. We cam models provide a SERVICE. Often one on one, it is as much about being an interesting person as interactive. People PAY for our services because it ISN'T porn. It is a different business in many ways. I, however, did not sign on to be a porn actress. And when you pirate my material, what is being passed around, what is being taken isn't even the service I provide, but a good that isn't one I offer. This, coupled with the unique aspects of being a camgirl listed above makes pirating cam sessions a hard limit where it isn't quite so much in principle for other things.

    I am, however, probably not going to read the books which are obviously copyrighted for monetizing purposes. Short pdf's that will drive my traffic to their sites (infographics, etc.) and copylefted stuff? Meh. Probably will. And finally, the copyright that you put up on your link? That site doesn't exist anymore.

    AND no one even mentioned the word Kindle on the thread. Or that they weren't going to buy hard copies. There was nothing skeezy about it at all and I wouldn't be surprised if, like me, most of the ladies thought that it was all content free to distribute. I was the one offering the service of IT help and I did not mention ANYTHING like what you posted about not having to pay. I offered because of the reciprocal help that SW chicas give each other.

    Understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Openwallet View Post

    I don't steal or swap models content, but I wonder if they have right to get annoyed about it when it happens if they do it themselves. [/INDENT]
    Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it sounds as though your trying to imply that its reasonable to suspect all cam girls/content producers are pirating stuff, so all have no right to complain and are therefore fair game for pirates.

    I would agree with the general principle that one should not pirate if one does not want their own property pirated. That's why I and many (I would think most) don't pirate. But stripperweb is not the whole population of content producers, there are also 1000's of threads and that discussion is between an even smaller % of content producers, and it sounds as though an even smaller % were aware of any content being copyrighted.

    But Ivybunny also brings up another difference, which is the security/privacy issue. I produce low volume for sale clips, I would never do the high volume viewing content of tube sites as it carries higher risk. If there were no piracy then there would actually be no - extremely minimal risk of jeopardising my future career (in an ultra conservative industry) as I have never sold a clip in my home country and a customer being a future co worker/boss is less likely than lottery. But when 1 person shares a clip it circulates and 100's or 1000's will see it, which increases MY risk exponentially - with no extra revenue - so if I am excluded from future employment because of pirates I also won't have a chance of making enough off the clips to retire. So no chance of a vanilla job is to me the more serious thing.

    If I wrote a book tbh I'd be annoyed if someone pirated it, but that annoyance is Absolutely Nothing compared to the consequences pirated adult content could have.

    Also ( and this doesn't apply to me personally, as I don't produce this kind of stuff) another huge problem with piracy of porn that if a girl makes a custom clip for a client with the intention that it is for him only and will not be for sale to the public/even listed on her store because the content is controversial she may well end up with a criminal record.

    For example if a girl makes crush or scat clips that are reposted and people recognise her and name her she could be in trouble. Even producing vanilla porn isn't legal everywhere. They could go to jail.

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    I don't think anyone meant any intentional harm in posting the download links but I agree with you OP, thanks for taking the time to tell us about it.

    I've never looked through that download list, had no idea that it contained copyright-protected material. I don't think there's any real difference between writing and visual content when it comes to the protection of copyright, if the author decides to put material out there for free that's his or her choice to make, we as consumers of a product don't get a say.

    I do agree that there's an additional factor at play for cam chicas when it comes to the impact of piracy (the issue of privacy mentioned above) but the absence of that risk for writers doesn't lead to a justification for distributing their copyright-protected work for free. Neither is the argument that her material is available all over google on filesharing sites and blogs anyways; just cuz others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

    Link removed, thanks for the head's up.

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    Last note: I'm sorry if what I wrote caused any confusion. I'm a happy crowdshare enthusiast and I encourage people to jump on the bandwagon, but I do still believe it is the ARTIST'S decision to choose those kinds of methods. Which, again, don't entail pirating what isn't meant for public distribution (despite the Pirate Party's name). I just started doing my feminist theorizing thing which makes it sound as if just because I differentiate in any way in theory I would in practice - short answer: I don't. Stealing content is wrong. I don't do it (intentionally). You shouldn't do it (intentionally).

    Much of the resources shared on this site are, in fact, meant for free distribution, and without going through, downloading, and then looking at the files in this particular thread, none of us could have known that they were actually copyrighted.

    In months and month of research I found ONE site worth a damn on fetish/BDSM. They also come and fail fairly quickly, which explains the readiness to read the pdfs, which often are used to preserve the info on free resource sites that have been taken down. I just don't want people reading this thread thinking we are deliberately pirating.


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    ^yes ^ I second the stealing is wrong, don't do it, don't condne it. Just had to point out the additional issues with adult content.

    Ivy bunny maybe you should check out Fetlife.

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    Thanks, I spent about 2 hours on it before I gave up. There's just so much misinformation and just as much drama and stupidity as all the other social media sites that I didn't get to any of the good stuff. I'm sure there are good groups, I just couldn't stand sifting through all the bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heid009 View Post
    ^yes ^ I second the stealing is wrong, don't do it, don't condne it. Just had to point out the additional issues with adult content.

    Ivy bunny maybe you should check out Fetlife.


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    Thank you to Ivybunny, Heid009, and Loveshooks.

    Ivybunny, I take your point on security, and identity makes stealing video content a bigger deal than stealing text content. I also have never thought about people turning your service into a product without your consent, and agree that really raises the bar. The Kindle comment occurred before your bump
    I have like half of these books on my kindle wishlist,Ive been dying to buy them so I can improve my domination exclusives but I havent had the money to..

    merry Camgirl Christmas to mee! BEST PRESENT EVARRRR!!
    Heid009 I can see how you would see that my post was trying to justify piracy, it did read that way, but that wasn't my intent. I agree that stakes are so much higher in your case than they are for a part time author. I'd never thought about that before.

    This site isn't like the Riddler finding the Batcave, it's like walking into your favourite sports team half time strategy/motivating talk, and not being asked to leave.

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