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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    Lupe Fiasco
    He intelligently "sampled" Float On.

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    it does seem they went and based things almost more on mathematical complexity and diversity more than anything ( possibly lyrical styles and such pan into it slightly in some points ) notice how contemporary classics like Beethoven, Mozart, chopin, Bach, Allegri, Boccherini and so on- when they composed their works - they went in movement sets and the repetitiveness was minimal - looking at the majority of modern mainstream music - things fall into repetitive patterns - the most complex patterns generally belonging to the rock/jazz and blues family branches while rap/r&b, club families tend to have simple and highly repetitive patterns.


    though personally I think music vs intelligence is a falsehood.

    1) intelligence is far far far beyond IQ - and even then on an IQ level there is a branch that focuses on abstract intelligence ( usually found in artists, musicians and so on ) that think and problem solve outside the box easier in ways someone more traditional would never consider. This is even before you start looking at " emotional intelligence "

    2) while some facets if intelligence in many forms can be genetic ( IE certain areas of the brain can be different from the start) most neurological differences come from being exposed to certain things. For example, Give me two brains - one of a musician, one of someone whom was not - there will be an actual physical difference in the shape of the brains, mostly in the gyri and sulci structures ( the wrinkles and crevices on the brain ) in very specific parts between the two that will tell us that one individual was more musically inclined. usually the more involved the more defined- basically think of the brain as any other muscle. the more you use it, the more you can shape, tone and define it physically - but again this is a developed trait not really genetic - environmental exposure does most - intelligence generally is a product thats man made and can be altered at any point for better or worse granted there isnt any obstetrical like mis-wired neurons or extra chromosomes, or major hormone imbalances or physical or chemical damage that may make development near impossible.

    3) while we tend to be products of our environment to a degree - ( people can always ALWAYS change their environment when they so choose- were an adaptable species and never ' technically' stuck) many things come down to our own aesthetic tastes.

    I actually test very high and sit in the genius classifications with SOME leanings into a spectrum of autism because of my synesthesia ) - my brain wires are crossed, so I may hear a sound- but at the same time " see, smell, and taste the sound as well. Ive passed MENSA entrance exams and show to be highly erudite in things that catch my interest. ( namely sciences, history and so on ) but only about average in things I dislike, or low low low in things like math ( I also have dyscalcula - like dyslexia but with numbers )

    so by that logic I should like everything in the higher end yes?

    well okay I LOVE the classical masters, true but my tastes are highly eclectic based on my mood I can be listening to Tool one minute, then the Chieftains ( celtic folk) the next, Dead kennedys, ramones, or some other old school punk then Mozart, then back up to Queen,then onto Beatles , Doors and others from the late 50's through the 60's then Johnny cash , back to Altan or Enya, then all the way to death metal like anal blast then back down to something cute and J-pop like , then classic delta blues like Robert Johnson - then over to traditional japanese taiko drumming back to NIne inch nails then over to big band or swing both classical like glenn miller and peggy lee and modern like big bad voodoo daddy, or the puppini sisters. , then rob zombie - and generally all over the place.

    and yes I do also like alot of club trance, acid jazz, and even dub/chill step things because I like the way they taste ( as I mentioned above about tasting sound)


    granted I despise gospel on moral, and self worth grounds
    rap/r&b and such I can enjoy now and then, though Im really not up on the who is who anymore Im stuck in the 90's on that hehe, but can enjoy in my rotation of music
    Cant stand country that often ( I admit to LOVING alot of the old gunslinger ballads popular in the 40's up until the early 60's but anything after that annoys me to no end )








    holy shit that was a ramble! I think Im trying to put off work- TLDR version - people are not so easy to classify and personal tastes can sway wildly at any given time by large already creating an unreliable ability to " chart" things in a proper manner
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    ^^^I always love working with women who have eclectic taste. Also comes in VERY handy when big spenders come in making requests, & the vapid girls in the club won't even think about trying to please them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpacrkk View Post
    He intelligently "sampled" Float On.
    I was referring to his politically-charged lyrics. In particular "Words I Never Said" and "Streets On Fire". Many artists sample other songs. That doesn't make their songs any less or more intelligent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan View Post
    I actually test very high and sit in the genius classifications with SOME leanings into a spectrum of autism because of my synesthesia ) - my brain wires are crossed, so I may hear a sound- but at the same time " see, smell, and taste the sound as well. Ive passed MENSA entrance exams and show to be highly erudite in things that catch my interest. ( namely sciences, history and so on ) but only about average in things I dislike, or low low low in things like math ( I also have dyscalcula - like dyslexia but with numbers )
    My bf also has synesthesia, dyscalcula, and dyslexia, and his IQ is very high (up towards 160+). He is also slightly autistic. There is definitely a connection b/w high IQ and synesthesia. I found your entire post quite interesting. Your musical tastes are all over the place just like mine. I wish I had the ability to "see" and "taste" music- that concept is fascinating to me! The only time I experienced synesthesia was when I was shrooming (I could "feel" the music getting wider and "see" the colours of different musical notes- was amazing, haha. BTW, Mozart was also a genius who had synesthesia. Alot of genius musicians have reported having it too. Interesting stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    I was referring to his politically-charged lyrics. In particular "Words I Never Said" and "Streets On Fire". Many artists sample other songs. That doesn't make their songs any less or more intelligent.
    Speaking of not offense and not taking things too seriously, it was a joke. But anyway, I put "sampled" in quotes since it was basically (with Modest Mouse's permission) an interpolation of the exact guitar riff, rhythm guitar chord progression, and lyrical chorus structure. As for intelligent artists sampling other songs, I can't say I listen to the popular genres in which it is most prevalent, /shrug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    That is weird that people who listen to gospel would be the dumbest. To me the dumbest music is country, hip hop and pop. Talking about today's music, not old school hip hop, country or pop. This study is strange but then again my tastes are really across the board. I do like Radiohead, but also Sufjian and many of the artists listed. Okay how could classical score so low but Beethoven so high?
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    Kelly: I would suspect that the smartest gospel music lovers spend more time reading the bible, and less time on Facebook.........
    Probably. Then again that probably is true of all music. Not that I'm a big gospel fan (I sing at church but wouldn't say I'm a fan of gospel in most cases)but it seems like it wouldn't even have that many fans.

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    Of course, the bell curve is also representational of the fact that more people score in the middle than the top or bottom anyway, so I'd like to know if the sampling was normalized to account for that - i.e., use a large but equal sample size for each score range (more truly indicative) vs a large group divided by their scores (always going to be middle-heavy and therefor not really indicative of anything).

    If the samples were equalized by number, than what this chart LESS subjectively indicates, is the likelihood, based on SAT scores, of an individual to "like" the bands and music they prefer on FB. Note how at the very top of the scale, there's hardly anything at all - presumably, those people ether don't spend a lot of time on social media, or aren't "liking" bands when they are. I'm certainly pretty sure they like more than just Beethoven. The curve also shows dramatically fewer entries on the bottom of the scale - where people are probably less likely to spend much time online, period, due to the assumed socio-economic factors commonly associated with lower scores.

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    I listen to everything from Bach to Kanye West. I have a huge passion for classical music, particularly Bach, Chopin, and Rachmaninoff. I also LOVE hip hop and pop music in general. Radiohead is my favorite band overall.

    I resent the implication that rap and pop is music for "dumb people". I completely disagree. Sure some of it is dumb and shallow and made for the masses. But as long as it sounds good, who cares? Besides, a LOT of rap & hip hop is surprisingly deep and intelligent. The stereotype that it's all about "bitches and hoes" is completely false.

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    Well, if someone is only listening to what is being played on pop radio they are likely dumb. I know quite a few of these people and their IQ is very low. Pop music is really catering to a low common audience and while there are intelligent acts many don't get played. There are some mainstream pop acts I really like, Adele for one and some rap (I like Kanye West, OutKast, Lupe Fiasco and a few more)but for the most part top 40 is crap. It wasn't always like this but is now. Most music is manufactured. Every time I turn on a top 40 station I can usually only listen for a few minutes then I have to turn the station. Country too. I used to work in radio and most of what is played has to do with pay off and whatnot. Talent is rarely important.

    If this doesn't make sense seek out the various American Top 40 and other top 40 lists from the 80's and 70's. There was such a variety from alternative (called New Wave), hard rock, R&B, country, adult contemporary and more. Most of these types of music would never be played on top 40 now.

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    You're right, a lot of pop music is unintelligent and not very musically innovative. I still find I can enjoy the "crap" if it's catchy and fun though. That is the point of pop music afterall, it's just bubblegum fluff mostly, not meant to be profound or groundbreaking. A lot of people look back and miss the "deeper" music of the 60's & 70's but there was still a LOT of bubblegum stuff back then too, it's just that no one remembers it. I actually think a lot of top 40 hits and popular bands/singers now are really good. I find myself enjoying more of the songs in top 40 now than I used to in the 2000's. I can't really say that it's better or worse musically, but it sounds nicer to my ears at least.

    I think this is a very good time for music. I keep discovering new bands and songs that I really like. Some of them are kind of obscure so you have to dig, but they're out there.

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    That is very true, there are a lot of innovative music and I try to find new bands often. I do like some bubble gum, especially 70's (and talking about the 70's there was a lot of bubblegum music then). I was just thinking of a former friend who ONLY listened to what was popular because it was popular. To her popular means good and that's not the case usually. Having said that, my male friend surprised me awhile back because he told me he heard a Justin Bieber song he liked. I didn't think this was weird but if he said "oh I only listen to him". Anyone who only listens to one artist even if it's an intelligent artist annoys me. I used to follow a particular band who were very popular in the 80's and 90's and even though their music could be considered intelligent (though they had their bubblegum too)their fans who only listened to them were people I got annoyed by. I do like classical, generally considered an intelligent music, but if someone told me "oh I only listen to classical" I'd think they were probably a snob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    That is very true, there are a lot of innovative music and I try to find new bands often. I do like some bubble gum, especially 70's (and talking about the 70's there was a lot of bubblegum music then). I was just thinking of a former friend who ONLY listened to what was popular because it was popular. To her popular means good and that's not the case usually. Having said that, my male friend surprised me awhile back because he told me he heard a Justin Bieber song he liked. I didn't think this was weird but if he said "oh I only listen to him". Anyone who only listens to one artist even if it's an intelligent artist annoys me. I used to follow a particular band who were very popular in the 80's and 90's and even though their music could be considered intelligent (though they had their bubblegum too)their fans who only listened to them were people I got annoyed by. I do like classical, generally considered an intelligent music, but if someone told me "oh I only listen to classical" I'd think they were probably a snob.
    Bubblegum pop music (from any era) is a guilty pleasure of mine. I can't get enough of ABBA's "Waterloo"; is one of my all time favorite songs in my entire life.

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    I used to the the "I only listen to hair metal" kinda person when I was like 14. At least hair metal was my "gateway" drug to other forms of rock music. I feel the same way you do regarding those who only listen to one artist/music genre.





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    I agree with what you're saying but I never considered ABBA bubblegum. While they certainly had bubblegum aspects there was true talent in that band (at regarding the two men who have done a lot). I'm thinking specifically of people put together to make money. As a teen I definitely listened mostly to New Wave/Punk which was the case into my 20's but even then I listened to other music like classical and jazz.

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    What no Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs to use as a guide?

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    This is why I would much prefer no music in clubs rather than what is almost always played. I've heard of only a few of these groups and have actually heard even fewer. But that's just me, always a rebel.
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    The very smartest people I've met, I have noticed, are passionate about Bach. Every single one. The younger ones have wide ranging musical tastes; one of the smartest, most successful people I've ever seen with my own eyes did a karaoke rendition of G Brooks friends in low places that was actually pretty spot on.

    At least in some circles, intelligent successful people seem to use appreciation of classical music as a group identifier.

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    I personally feel people we want to lump in the "high IQ" category can differ in musical taste so widely. My roomie had 2 degrees in science (one from John Hopkins) & loved jazz & obscure Afro Carribean music. My smartest high school classmate loved R& B (like the top 40 of the early 1990s.) I've met intellectually smart people who are stuck listening to only Christian music b/c he or she chose to live a reborn Christian lifestyle. IMO musical taste is not a good indicator of "smarts"....we have way too much music to choose from to use that as a measure of intelligence.

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    I forgot about Jazz - that's another one a lot of my intelligent friends like. I like *some* Jazz - the more accessible; but some of the more out there Jazz I can't get into.

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    Jazz is funny because there are so many variations. You have everything from jazz rock fusion to Dixieland to Be Bop, Swing, Free Form and many other types. I tend to favor older types like swing/big band, Dixieland, Ragtime (the earliest form and some don't even consider it jazz because it predates all other jazz genres). I hate the more modern yuppie type jazz new age types that you often hear at yuppie places. Jazz artists I like: Billie Holiday, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Louis Armstrong, Scott Joplin (Ragtime), Cab Calloway and many others. I bought a jazz box set a few years ago and periodically listen to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Jazz is funny because there are so many variations. You have everything from jazz rock fusion to Dixieland to Be Bop, Swing, Free Form and many other types. I tend to favor older types like swing/big band, Dixieland, Ragtime (the earliest form and some don't even consider it jazz because it predates all other jazz genres). I hate the more modern yuppie type jazz new age types that you often hear at yuppie places. Jazz artists I like: Billie Holiday, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Louis Armstrong, Scott Joplin (Ragtime), Cab Calloway and many others. I bought a jazz box set a few years ago and periodically listen to it.
    My favorite jazz joke "Jazz is four guys playing different songs at the same time."

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