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    I overheard last night at my club that girls - mostly dark skinned - will be let go before the New Year. I'm so worried that it could be me seeing as I'm half white/half black. I love my current club, I'm just now getting comfortable communicating with the staff, and I have my customers...
    If I happen to be cut, am I able to go back after time has passed? How long would I wait?

    I pray I'm not getting cut. Everything in my life is beyond difficult and work is actually helping...No more changes, please...... -sigh-

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    Well, really that's up to them (the club)..I wouldn't ask (not to give them ideas)..maybe in the meantime, you could try looking around for another (club), just in case?
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    This is so fucked up. In any case you say you're mixed so don't stress it probably won't be you. I also work in a club where they are extra hard on black girls and the ones who are mixed or look hispanic (like dominican or puertorican) get away with more and are hired again even after they're fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    This is so fucked up. In any case you say you're mixed so don't stress it probably won't be you. I also work in a club where they are extra hard on black girls and the ones who are mixed or look hispanic (like dominican or puertorican) get away with more and are hired again even after they're fired.
    That still doesn't solve the larger issue that they want an all white (or close to white) club. This perpetuates skin color preference where if you're light skinned or mixed you get a pass. That's pure bullshit! No one can control their skin color - unless they bleach their skin or fake tan and that's not worth it in my opinion.

    Plus where did you hear this info OP? If it was from one of the dancers, they could have been lying or misinformed. Now if managers haven't said anything to you then I wouldn't worry about it.

    But if you want to find a backup just in case then go somewhere your talent and looks will be appreciate.

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    Personally, I wouldn't worry until I actually got fired. If you are though, I agree with looking elsewhere. Are there any clubs in your area that you could audition at and work like 1 day a week? Just until you are confident that the culling has passed? If you don't get fired you can quit. But It could make a good backup in case you do, and you would already be comfortable (hopefully) in the new environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    That still doesn't solve the larger issue that they want an all white (or close to white) club. This perpetuates skin color preference where if you're light skinned or mixed you get a pass. That's pure bullshit! No one can control their skin color - unless they bleach their skin or fake tan and that's not worth it in my opinion.
    Dude I said its fucked up. I didn't try to "solve" the larger issue because there is no solution. The truth is many clubs have their quotas when it comes to black girls and while I don't agree with it its part of this industry. I'm not condoning it or saying I have a solution to this problem. I'm simply telling her she shouldn't stress to much because she is mixed and is less likely to be let go and this is another truth. Chill. Plus she is the one who said they were gonna fire the darker girls, I'm not perpetuating shit. Its just what happens and that shit aint my fault.

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    Racism is one of those things that does "just happen" in clubs all over this gosh darned country. It makes me sick. No one can control their skin color and attitude and work ethic should always be more important than skin color anyway, IMO. I would start looking for a backup club but I wouldn't stop working unless management said you were fired/let go etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    Dude I said its fucked up. I didn't try to "solve" the larger issue because there is no solution. The truth is many clubs have their quotas when it comes to black girls and while I don't agree with it its part of this industry. I'm not condoning it or saying I have a solution to this problem. I'm simply telling her she shouldn't stress to much because she is mixed and is less likely to be let go and this is another truth. Chill. Plus she is the one who said they were gonna fire the darker girls, I'm not perpetuating shit. Its just what happens and that shit aint my fault.
    I'm not saying it's your fault. What I am saying is not to play into to possible racism. Playing into this by saying oh you're mixed so you probably won't count. The club hiring/firing blacks based on how 'less black' they are or how light their skin is is just as bad.

    You're right it's a major issue that won't be solved overNight and it's unfortunate clubs get away with this but one person taking a stand is better than falling into archaic slavery mentality. I would never work at a club like this. But thankfully the managers dont discriminate on race. This is what I appreciate about the club I work.
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    Thanks for the info everyone.

    I heard dark skinned dancers talking in the CR. I heard only tid bits so I could be wrong. Situations like this always make me feel slightly ashamed of my background. It's almost embarrassing...

    Apparently the managers love the girls but the owner is the one who makes these requests. I don't know. If I get let go, I'll probably ask if there's a chance of me returning after several months or something.


    Aurora - I was actually thinking of going to a different club for awhile and then returning.

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    Assuming this is true, would you want to work in a club that fires based on skin? I'm white and I wouldn't like that either. However, if it is true there could be more to it than the woman are black. Maybe the women they want to get rid of are ghetto looking or obese. Obviously not all black girls are (and some white girls are too)but I never hired women like this when I hired dancers because there isn't a huge market. I hired black girls (had a beautiful black dancer who was gorgeous)but the majority of customers (including black men)wanted white. I can understand firing if they get too many of any group and that group isn't all that popular of most customers. I once worked in a club that was getting many black girls and they found that their white customers weren't happy. They started firing some of the black girls and hired more white girls along with things like lower house for white girls and black girls who made a lot. Unfair? perhaps but remember in this case it boils down to the customer and what is generally the accepted standard of beauty. It wasn't just black girls, at many clubs they did the same to dancers not blonde because blondes were the accepted standard of beauty.

    However this is all a rumor so who knows. Sadly, the club owners have a right to hire and fire who they want and if they want an all white club (or an all blonde club, or an all amputee club, or all obese dancers, etc)they have the right to. If they do this because they don't like black girls it is racism but if the customers don't like black girls it is business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahM91 View Post
    Thanks for the info everyone.

    I heard dark skinned dancers talking in the CR. I heard only tid bits so I could be wrong. Situations like this always make me feel slightly ashamed of my background. It's almost embarrassing...

    Apparently the managers love the girls but the owner is the one who makes these requests. I don't know. If I get let go, I'll probably ask if there's a chance of me returning after several months or something.


    Aurora - I was actually thinking of going to a different club for awhile and then returning.
    Unless it comes straight from management, I wouldn't worry too much about DR chatter. There's a good chance that those girls don't know what they're talking about. I'd look for a backup club for sure but I wouldn't stop working there over things you just overheard. Don't get ashamed of your background because some people are shitty individuals. You are who you are and you should always be proud of that. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahM91 View Post
    I heard dark skinned dancers talking in the CR. I heard only tid bits so I could be wrong.
    Don't worry about it. Dancers talk shit all the time. Ask a manager or host if this is true, but it probably isn't.

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    If this is the case that hiring/firing depends on the market and their customers prefer white or non black dancers then why hire black dancers in the first place? I mean an established club should already have this insight and would just stick to their 'quota' right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    If this is the case that hiring/firing depends on the market and their customers prefer white or non black dancers then why hire black dancers in the first place? I mean an established club should already have this insight and would just stick to their 'quota' right?
    It's why many clubs will hire a token really hot black girl because there will always be a customer who is open to a hot black woman. They are usually the ones who are light skinned or biracial (think Halle Berry). Many clubs hire a few black girls because they don't want to appear racist. When I was hiring I turned down more black girls because there was less of a demand. Yes, I'd love to live in a society where this doesn't happen but we do, and most white men who like black women (or at least open to them)want black women with lighter features and less black hair. Also, clubs know if they put a "no black girls" sign they'll get protesters and publicity they don't want. It does straddle the line because how do you turn down someone because of their race? In corporate America this is racism (and rightfully so)but in this industry (and other related industries like modeling)it's looks based and it makes it different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    If this is the case that hiring/firing depends on the market and their customers prefer white or non black dancers then why hire black dancers in the first place? I mean an established club should already have this insight and would just stick to their 'quota' right?
    This isn't nessecarily the case. If the club was predominantly white to begin with, they may have noticed the customer base in their area changing. In that case, it would make sense to try out a new way to attract new customers. If bringing in different dancers didn't do anything to improve cashflow, brought in unsavory clients, or made them lose money, they would go back to their original business model. My club has it written into our contracts that you have to do X amount of dances per week or you get let go. It is their way of having an excuse to get rid of girls they don't like. (Not a race thing, but still in the 'best for business' ballpark) From the business side, it makes sense.

    That being said, OP, if you like the club and do well, I don't think you should have anything to worry about. If you are wanting to go to a new club because YOU want to, then do it. Nothing wrong with a change of scenery. But, never pay attention to DR gossip. It could be jealous girls trying to plant seeds of doubt in your head to get you to leave so they can have a chance at your money.

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    Everything I read is truly sad. We live in a fucked up world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    It's why many clubs will hire a token really hot black girl because there will always be a customer who is open to a hot black woman. They are usually the ones who are light skinned or biracial (think Halle Berry). When I was hiring I turned down more black girls because there was less of a demand.....most white men who like black women (or at least open to them)want black women with lighter features and less black hair.
    This is the modern day 'paper bag'/'pencil' test. Like the standard of beauty for black women means your only attractive if you're light skinned or mixed with silky hair?!?! And it's atrocious that this still occurs in society today.

    Out of the white men that like black or mixed women - some of them actually like darker skinned black women. I wish the white customers who prefer this would post on this thread so we can get more perspective.

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    Everything I read is truly sad. We live in a fucked up world.
    That we do. But this is why I am glad I work in a mixed club where there is a demand for black and mixed race strippers. I hope the OP know she has options. Maybe not in her city but elsewhere.
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    Wow, I feel like I'm back in time. Is this the 1950's? Holy fuck.

    *composes myself*

    Don't worry about getting fired for now, Sarah. That is just extra stress you don't need right now. I doubt they would cut a mixed girl anyway. My god, I can't believe we even have to have these discussions. I'm sick to my stomach...

    The club is making a huge mistake if this is indeed their plan, because (in my observation) the popularity/desire of sexy black girls is going UP, not down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I'm not saying it's your fault. What I am saying is not to play into to possible racism. Playing into this by saying oh you're mixed so you probably won't count. The club hiring/firing blacks based on how 'less black' they are or how light their skin is is just as bad.
    I'm not playing into anything. And in case there's any confusion here I'm also not racist. She made a thread and I replied based on the information she provided and the reality of how many clubs operate. Stop trying to blame me for whatever you think I'm doing wrong here because I don't run this industry.
    We can all have an opinion here and my opinion based on what she said is that she is less likely to be fired because of her being mixed. Just stop. Of course the club is doing something bad. It's not me doing it or "playing into it." Me acknowledging that this happens doesn't encourage it or make it acceptable so get off my back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    I'm not playing into anything. And in case there's any confusion here I'm also not racist. She made a thread and I replied based on the information she provided and the reality of how many clubs operate. Stop trying to blame me for whatever you think I'm doing wrong here because I don't run this industry.
    We can all have an opinion here and my opinion based on what she said is that she is less likely to be fired because of her being mixed. Just stop. Of course the club is doing something bad. It's not me doing it or "playing into it." Me acknowledging that this happens doesn't encourage it or make it acceptable so get off my back.
    I never said you were racist. and no one is on your back.

    I said the CONCEPT of firing girls based on skin tone is racist.

    I understand you have an opinion and I respect that.

    Im having a civilized debate about a topic. Were I disagree.

    Ok cool. leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    This is the modern day 'paper bag'/'pencil' test. Like the standard of beauty for black women means your only attractive if you're light skinned or mixed with silky hair?!?! And it's atrocious that this still occurs in society today.

    Out of the white men that like black or mixed women - some of them actually like darker skinned black women. I wish the white customers who prefer this would post on this thread so we can get more perspective.
    I don't disagree but sadly more prefer (or are told to prefer)lighter skinned black women. It goes back to slavery when lighter black skinned women were often the mistresses of the masters and often they were the result of mixed relations (usually of course not consensual). I think men like all kinds but from what I've seen it's been generally women who had "white" hair. Or rather, often it's because they are told to like that. Sort of like how blondes could get away with more than brunette women.

    Is it racist to fire someone for being black? In theory it is racist and I hate racism. However, let's not forget this is a looks based and if a look is what sells then it blurs the line. When I would book parties I did hate turning down black women but the reality is they were getting less parties. Even the knock down gorgeous black dancer I hired got less jobs than the white girls. I knew it wouldn't be fair to hire someone who I couldn't book for parties. It wasn't just skin tone, but also things like weight, overall look, etc. My customers were generally white and black professionals and even the black professionals wanted white women.

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    I am white and I would never want to work in a club with only white girls. BORING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    It's why many clubs will hire a token really hot black girl because there will always be a customer who is open to a hot black woman. They are usually the ones who are light skinned or biracial (think Halle Berry).
    I haven't found this to be the case in my time in the industry, although I think it may vary a lot geographically/culturally. There are plenty of white guys who do prefer black girls with mixed/lighter features, but there are also many many white guys that love darker black women. It's even a fetish for some. In my club there are several black girls with darker skin tone who do very well with white men. They do have to wear wigs or extensions though. I also used to work at a white club that had a black dancer with dreadlocks who had a lot of regulars, as well as a fairly dark skinned Indian dancer who was heavier and had obviously had kids, she was a top earner with even more regulars than the dreadlocked girl. So often the hiring criteria of the owners/management does not correspond to the actual preferences of men.

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