What are your thoughts?
I, personally, think they're a bunch of whiny little cave dwellers.
Down with the patriarchy.



What are your thoughts?
I, personally, think they're a bunch of whiny little cave dwellers.
Down with the patriarchy.





They really exist? I mean guys going around calling themselves that? Not saying you're wrong, I've just never seen one.![]()
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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Yes, they are all over Reddit. They have their own subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/. They are just as annoying and whiny as the extreme feminists, if not more so. They complain about ridiculous concepts such as being the "disposable" gender and other such things. Why can't people just call themselves HUMAN rights activists? Separating the genders into their own separate rights movements is just causing even more friction b/w the genders. Am I the only one who sees this?
"Dancing tables, making deals with devils like a drunk beauty queen"




Prescient thread, lol.
I think it's telling that they almost always come out on the internet. Because they know talking about these things IRL will get them shunned. Like the white pride day petitioners. Sad bunch!




because they see rights as a zero sum game and want to "regain" what women have "taken" from them.
present day mainstream feminists view men as also being oppressed in other ways, so they advocate on behalf of both genders, as well a sthose outside of the gender binary.
an example would be that mras complain about feminists claiming rape as a feminist issue while men are also raped (by both men and women), so they want women to stop advocating for more rape legislation etc. feminists actually recognize that men are also rape, and even though women are raped more (thus, making it a major concern for women), more rape legislation would lead to a better quality of life for all people.
men that are concerned about the ways men are oppressed but dont see it as a zero sum game dont call themselves mras. its a very specific group of men that want to remain dominant.





MRAs are all over the internet.. Even cracked.com wrote an article about them:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomf...ghts-movement/
I had seen plently of "whte pride" festivities: Celtic Pride Festivals, Octoberfest Weekend, Dutch Kindom Day, etc. There are plently of "white pride" festivities if you ask me.





MRA guys are the saddest of all. They are the male equivalent of the spoiled kid who doesn't understand why he or she should listen to others or pay attention to anyone else's way of thinking.
I feel bad that some academic authorities get lumped into the same category as MRA guys.....there's a huge difference between wanting to empower men to understand themselves and .....a huge manstration festival.


Oh wow. Some of what I'm going to say could be considered sexist, I make no apologies for that. Try to not be offended.
The one and only thing these guys are right about is that traditional gender roles do exist for men. No man or woman is going to admire or respect a man who whined and begged for what they get in life. Whether we as a society are comfortable with it or not, a "man" goes after what he wants and has a little bit of a killer instinct in getting it done. There comes a time in every man's life when you have the epiphany that you are truly alone; nobody is going to intervene and you have to do what needs to be done. Society used to force this on adolescent boys to ceremoniously kill the boy and give birth to the man.
"Men's Rights" assumes we need permission and acceptance, which is the state of mind of a boy.
This seems like males wanting to co-opt the "me too" victim stance of feminism and other social rights activism groups. I am vehemently against that as the answer to whatever fallout these males are experiencing as a result. Their role is far more simple, be a man and give women some space to grow into their new role.





I think society works best when everyone has a vested interest in the survival and prosperity of that society and wants to be a part of it and its success.
I don't. Message received loud and clear. Society cares not one bit for my problems. Okay, got it. Society wants me to go fuck myself. Fine, no problem. And civilization can go fuck itself.
^ And that is the problem. Well, your problem. Not mine. I'm never getting married and I'm never having kids. I vote in every election, and long-term issues are no part of my vote. I don't care if your grandchildren have clean air to breathe. I don't care if the public school system is in shambles. I don't care if the Earth is uninhabitable 100 years from now. You want to launch nuclear waste into the sun and cause a nova 100 years from now? I'll vote in favor of it.
In other words, I'm a bitter, cynical, asshole. I'm really bad for society. I vote selfishly and don't care about the future. The reason you should take an interest in [insert special interest group here] is to avoid creating people like me. I don't mean cater to their every whim, but listen and address the big stuff. Or not. I'll be childless and dead soon enough.





http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Are-Wa.../dp/042511094X
I love love love Warren Farrell. I should have included this link in my earlier post.
Men deserve rights and need an awakening, but I disagree that they are as a whole so disadvantaged. MORE employment is offered to them, they are stronger physically than women, and frankly can create social dynamics in groups that are more successful than women working in groups. That's my pissy 2 cents as an independent woman- I prefer working with men over women due to my view of this situation.
There are "light" MRAs that make valid points about how skewed child custody laws, family court, child support, etc etc. but just like modern feminists the loudest ones are obnoxious and straight up sexist. I'm sick of the gender wars. Why does everyone need a club or to a layer a whole ideology on top of the concept of equality? But if y'all think MRAs are bad, check out MGTOWs ("Men Going Their Own Way") They really live in their own little worlds.





i think there are a lot of men's issues that need addressing, like the notion that men can't be raped, men can't be abused, that they should always act like thirsty pigs where women are concerned, and that they aren't allowed to cry because they are "MEN" and you wouldn't want to be a "pussy" , you should grow some "balls" because vaginas are weak and balls are strong? lmao.
but i don't really see that as men's "rights", more just like bullshit patriarchal views because the patriarchy hurts women AND men..but MRA don't want to admit that





This might be a massive threadjack BUTTTTT......I noticed that there has been some progress in how Westernized people view men's issues in the past few decades. I was watching a very fucked up Burt Reynolds movie from the 1980s and was reminded of this. The old school idea of how men have to be strong, silent and violent is changing slowly. Sloooowly.
Mostly I just wanted to say 1980s Burt Reynolds movies are fucking hilarious, and body hair on men needs to come back into style.



I see a lot of stuff like this on sites like ROK where they have been so scorned by women that they pretty much blame the entire female gender problems- whether they really exist or not.
Same could be said about extreme feminism.
Regardless...
You *could* keep obsessing over this issue. However, I suggest you move on with your life.I, personally, think they're a bunch of whiny little cave dwellers.
Down with the patriarchy
"These lumps- I know you wanna slump up on these lumps! But you can't cause you're a chump- a chuuuump."
Lumpy Space Princess



I made a sour face when I saw the title of this post. But, I should know by now that SW is pretty level headed. MRA's do nothing but whine. The ones who have legitimate issues need to take a second look at feminism because the movement doesn't only benefit women. Discussing rape, parental rights, etc are at the core of feminism.





Agree with these posts. Many of these men do have valid points. For instance, I think the child support and alimony laws are completely messed up and I would be afraid to marry if I was a man and married a bitch. I've known men who got women pregnant, wanted to marry the woman but instead was pushed away. That is wrong. Many times people laugh if a man claims rape. In cases like those they got it right. However many others are just misogynists who hate women. I once got into a flamewar on on of those sites after finding out they took a post I made on another site and called me names, including a shriveled old hag.
The thing is, those guys who call themselves MRAs may have potentially legitimate issues with child custody issues, but they are so blinded by bitterness (my ex-wife is a bitch... that means all women are bitches!!) that they can't realize that those skewed custody decisions are rooted in sexism as well. The idea that mothers are naturally better caregivers, more nurturing, love their children more, etc... Those are sexist ideas that also make women the default "domestics" in families. MRAs just won't accept the idea that a patriarchal society hurts both men AND women, and that feminism is actually the answer to their problems as well.
Mostly though, I just think they're just bitter sex-starved losers with inferiority complexes ,and the only way they can make them feel better about their sad little lives is to blame all their problems on the imagined gender-wide cruelty of women. Women don't like them, so either they have to accept that there's something wrong with them (impossible!), or there is something wrong with ALL WOMEN. Give those guys any real power and they would be legislating that every woman should be legally obligated to have sex with any man who ever held a door open for her or helped with her Algebra homework.





One of my male friends in high school was exactly THIS ^^^^^^
By comparison, by maturing I have found I enjoy life more when I can empathize with other people's views on life. I may never agree but I can try to understand....imo I think a lot of men and women are too lazy/fearful to grow mentally beyond accepting generalizations. "Free your mind, your ass will follow."
There is NO SUCH THING as reverse sexism. Just like there is no such thing as reverse racism. You cannot be sexist towards men just like you can't be racist towards white people.
"An open letter to mens rights activists"
http://dailyuw.com/archive/2013/04/1...s#.UXR7E4ITF4t
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Racism is racism and sexism is sexism. Men can be sexist towards women like women can be sexist towards men. Likewise white people can be racist towards other races as other races can be racist towards them or other races.
I want to see an equal playing field for all and that includes equal pay, fair child support systems and everything else.
Nope. You can't be racist towards white people. Racism describes patterns of discrimination that are institutionalized as “normal” throughout an entire culture. It’s based on an ideological belief that one “race” is somehow better than another “race”. It’s not one person discriminating at this point, but a whole population operating in a social structure that actually makes it difficult for a person not to discriminate. It's when intolerance in government laws, attitudes and ideals of a society are ingrained in a culture to the point where patterns of discrimination towards a certain race are institutionalized as normal. White people will never have to worry about whether or not they'll be hired for a job just because they're white. Reverse racism doesn't and can't exist. Prejudice? Sure, but those aren't the same thing. Are they both wrong? Absolutely, but not the same thing. You can't be racist towards white people and that will never be a thing. When a POC is mean to you, they are JUST being mean to you. Their entire society is not ACTIVELY discriminating against and oppressing you.
But back on the topic, no you can't be sexist towards men either. Same idea as above. Can you be biased towards men? Absolutely. But do we live in a culture that actively favors men? YES. White cis males have the entirety of the system, whether it is the government, employment, religion, health access, agency, geared in their favor. Does this make them bad people? No. But sexism is a system that privileges men over and at the expense of women and that's really important that people understand that. Reverse sexism will never exist.
Not to mention, I've never seen a "mens rights activist" trying to fight for the rights of transgender and gay men.
Being aware of these things doesn't mean that you don't want equal playing field, but denying these things isn't doing anyone any favors either. Wanting fair pay, etc is part of the whole point of feminism. As much as the legal system is bullshit and child support/custody are issues, that's not sexism. It's bias, but bias/sexism are not one in the same.
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a person ( be that person black/white/asian/whatever) who believes that his race is superior to all others, and that somebody else is inferior because of his/her race IS being racist. he is still a racist. no "reverse" or whatever, its just plain racism. same with sexism. it may not happen as much, and society may not as a whole agree with a woman who believes she is superior because of her sex but she is still sexist and its still a very harmful bigoted mindset.
Harmful and bigoted yes, but not sexist or racist. Bias and prejudice towards men and white people are just that. Bias and prejudice, but it isn't racism because white people don't live in a society where there have ALWAYS been patterns of discrimination against them. It doesn't make it okay, but it isn't racism however bad it may be. It's the same thing with sexism.
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