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    Default why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Is there something that I'm missing? Besides tax free income why do girls choose to dance instead of cam?

    Dancing seems like it's much more dangerous and seems to be way more effort.

    When you can you can do it from the safety and comfort of your own home without any real human interaction.

    I'm not dissing strippers at all, I'm just ignorant to it and now that I'm camming I just am curious why?

    I certainly don't have the body for dancing so I'm not delusional that I could even try if the perks are better. I'm just asking.

    I hope no one takes offense to this question!

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Because dancing offers anonymity and in a lot of cases, more money.


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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Yeah anonymity def makes sense and is a huge plus.

    But I have a friend who strips and she averages about $100 - 150 a shift sometimes even less and I average about $300 in the same amount of time. Maybe she's not a good example?

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    No, she's not a good example.


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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    -My face and naked body on the internet would be a disaster for me. I have a huge family and somehow they find out all my secrets as it is. (Although I'm sure there's tons of nudes of me floating around anyway from exes or something ha)

    -Sometimes real human interaction is nice. I like to socialize at least a couple times a week, it keeps me sane and stripping is about the only thing that gets me out of the house.

    -It's a great workout.

    -A lot of women have kids or others they live with and can't necessarily be moaning and masturbating in the next room


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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    1. i'm technology retarded.
    2. i like cash in my hand the minute i earn it. having nothing, and then in a few hours having hundreds in cash is the best feeling.
    3. normally way more money. that's not to say there aren't some kickass camming earners, but generally strippers make more ( at least i made a ton more stripping)
    4. not having it permanently on my record

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by illuminaughty View Post
    But I have a friend who strips and she averages about $100 - 150 a shift sometimes even less and I average about $300 in the same amount of time. Maybe she's not a good example?
    It depends on the area. Depending on where she works, I would agree with Tsempet that she's not a good example -- those earnings would be on the low side in many areas, but of course, not all strippers can be top earners, so there will always be some with low earnings even in clubs with high income potential.

    Anonymity is definitely the big one, but other reasons some ladies choose to dance instead of cam could include not wanting to deal with the upfront costs or effort, wanting the human interaction (also with staff and fellow dancers, even if not with the clientele), wanting cash in hand right away rather than having to wait to get paid out, and also wanting to keep more of their earnings (some clubs do take a cut, but in many you simply pay a fee to work and then keep what you earn, whereas with camming, unless you're independent which is a whole other situation, you only get a small percentage of what you earn).

    You also have to keep in mind that your interpretation of "dangerous" and "more effort" are fairly subjective -- I personally would find camming to be more dangerous (people can find so much information about you online, and I feel I'd be opening myself up to that, not to mention the danger of being outed/caught) and far more effort (much more upfront costs, lots of marketing on your end to drive traffic, etc.).

    And FWIW, dancing isn't necessarily tax-free -- many of us pay taxes on our earnings so we can actually use the money towards things like investments, property, and other big ticket purchases that would raise red flags if we were claiming no/low income.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by illuminaughty View Post
    Yeah anonymity def makes sense and is a huge plus.

    But I have a friend who strips and she averages about $100 - 150 a shift sometimes even less and I average about $300 in the same amount of time. Maybe she's not a good example?
    She's either really bad at her job, works in a piss-poor club w/ lousy(read: virtually non-existent) earnings potential, or both.

    The other responses have pretty much summed it up, but I have one more to add. From what I have read abt camming, & from my own experience in a vanilla sales-oriented job where communication was via email or phone, camming & stripping require slightly different skill sets in order to be successful. It's hard to 'physically' flirt w/ a customer over a webcam i.e. squeeze his knee or give him a shoulder massage; also, while stripping & camming both exploit a voyeuristic tendency, strippers aren't there to display outright sex acts. We are generally more abt suggestion rather than explicitness.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    She's either really bad at her job, works in a piss-poor club w/ lousy(read: virtually non-existent) earnings potential, or both.

    The other responses have pretty much summed it up, but I have one more to add. From what I have read abt camming, & from my own experience in a vanilla sales-oriented job where communication was via email or phone, camming & stripping require slightly different skill sets in order to be successful. It's hard to 'physically' flirt w/ a customer over a webcam i.e. squeeze his knee or give him a shoulder massage; also, while stripping & camming both exploit a voyeuristic tendency, strippers aren't there to display outright sex acts. We are generally more abt suggestion rather than explicitness.
    Here in my country strippers make even less than that (I'm from Europe, not from US), and they get outed far more often than cammers. Everybody is taping shows with their mobile phones and than post them on the forums and so on. Plus only dancing is not even that popular here, usually they are stripping+ masturbation shows, such as on cam, in front of 100 drunk horny guys. Ummm, no thanks.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    There are lots of pros and cons to each profession. Can't we all just get along? <3

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    In a nutshell both are a totally different style of hustle, environment, rules and so on!

    In strip clubs you have the advantage of internet anominimity, traveling if you want, fade taxes, but also you have to interact with people in real life. Immediate safety can be an issue such as people following you, working with weirdos, and if you're not a social person dealing/interacting with co-workers could be a problem (ie social anxiety etc).

    On the internet side of things, you're normally not just dancing, you are most likely performing sex acts. Lots of girls overlap camming with shooting videos. You can follow your own schedule, if you don't feel like signing on or being late no penilaization. Lots of clubs fine you for not working a shift. Expense list for both is different too. Like you don't have to travel to cam unless you're in a studio. That would be a big one for me as it don't drive.. Oh my the list can go on!

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsepmet1 View Post
    There are lots of pros and cons to each profession. Can't we all just get along? <3
    I don't think this thread was sparked to start a bash of one or the other, and I don't think the reply's have gone that way either.

    I actually liked reading why girls do one or the other, I find it interesting.

    I personally don't strip because I live in a smaller city/town and the recognition would not be good for me.
    I also don't strip because I don't have the classic body type, and the clubs here cater to smaller women (which is totally fine, just not where I would make my cash)

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    I only have 2 things I just don't agree with from the answers which is fine.

    1. Camming is more dangerous than stripping.

    I'm not fighting or looking to argue but come on. Being anonymous and using a fake name on the internet and having the control to block whole entire cities, states, Countries alone makes me feel much less worried about someone finding me. Whether it's people who I know finding me and outing me or people who want to actually find me for sinister intents or even just people I would rather NOT know.

    It's much more reasonable and common for someone you know / may try to work for in the future / a family member to stop at a strip club that's in a radius of where you all LIVE and find you stripping than it is to find you camming. Especially when you can block the areas you want.

    Being actually in human contact is always more dangerous. Someone could be a nut case and kill you in the club whatever reason, if they have an obsession with you for whatever reason it may be it would be MUCH easier to follow / stalk and even hurt you out of work or find you in other ways since you are physically in their presence and probably live near them.

    You just NEVER know what people are capable of.

    While with being on cam these people don't know where I live, are never physically near me to do anything to me, have no idea where I'm from to even begin finding me, if they want to hurt someone like me they aren't going to be able to on cam.

    There are so many other dangerous things that can happen in person that just can't happen over a webcam.

    2. Upfront costs.

    My upfront cost was $44.95 for my cam and that was it. I made that and more my first night.

    I just signed up for the site myself, waited a week to get approved and signed on. I didn't have to buy any toys, I bought everything after. I actually don't even have to use toys. I just wear cute panties and a bra. Which many men have offered to buy for me anyway.

    Almost everyone already has an internet connection, computer, a bed and a body.

    So I don't agree with the upfront cost.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Femmestudent View Post
    I don't think this thread was sparked to start a bash of one or the other, and I don't think the reply's have gone that way either.

    I actually liked reading why girls do one or the other, I find it interesting.

    I personally don't strip because I live in a smaller city/town and the recognition would not be good for me.
    I also don't strip because I don't have the classic body type, and the clubs here cater to smaller women (which is totally fine, just not where I would make my cash)
    Yeah I am NOT bashing at all!!

    I was actually thinking of trying it, but I just don't think I have the body type to do it.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Dancing pros-money on hand as you make it.
    ..bieng social ( I'm more introvert so it can help)and
    pole dancing which is fun
    low profile if you want to keep your life on the dl
    Cons- safety!!girl went missing at my club and was found dead,
    The girls can be so nasty to one another fighting slashing tires etc.

    Camming pros- comfort of working at home , no schedule, unlimited money potential depending on how much work u can take on...meeting pretty cool people
    Pretty safe in general if you take basic precautions

    Camming cons- getting recorded/ outed ( if u care)
    lotta of work sexually not everyone can do it most bail / burn out.( u really have to take care of yourself)
    cash not I hand ( u might need to pay a bill the next day)


    This is in comparison to each other from my own personal experience doing both
    Personally I enjoy Camming, but I do like dancing and have thought of starting again just because it's easy money on hand and I like dancing and having a social life
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    Quote Originally Posted by illuminaughty View Post
    I only have 2 things I just don't agree with from the answers which is fine.

    1. Camming is more dangerous than stripping.

    I'm not fighting or looking to argue but come on. Being anonymous and using a fake name on the internet and having the control to block whole entire cities, states, Countries alone makes me feel much less worried about someone finding me. Whether it's people who I know finding me and outing me or people who want to actually find me for sinister intents or even just people I would rather NOT know.

    It's much more reasonable and common for someone you know / may try to work for in the future / a family member to stop at a strip club that's in a radius of where you all LIVE and find you stripping than it is to find you camming. Especially when you can block the areas you want.

    Being actually in human contact is always more dangerous. Someone could be a nut case and kill you in the club whatever reason, if they have an obsession with you for whatever reason it may be it would be MUCH easier to follow / stalk and even hurt you out of work or find you in other ways since you are physically in their presence and probably live near them.

    You just NEVER know what people are capable of.

    While with being on cam these people don't know where I live, are never physically near me to do anything to me, have no idea where I'm from to even begin finding me, if they want to hurt someone like me they aren't going to be able to on cam.

    There are so many other dangerous things that can happen in person that just can't happen over a webcam.

    2. Upfront costs.

    My upfront cost was $44.95 for my cam and that was it. I made that and more my first night.

    I just signed up for the site myself, waited a week to get approved and signed on. I didn't have to buy any toys, I bought everything after. I actually don't even have to use toys. I just wear cute panties and a bra. Which many men have offered to buy for me anyway.

    Almost everyone already has an internet connection, computer, a bed and a body.

    So I don't agree with the upfront cost.
    For the first point there's extreme examples of dangerous situations for both types of work.

    For the second point, I have invested lots of money in a good computer, top notch internet, webcam, shoes, toys, lingerie, lighting, nice bedding etc over time. My first cam site I worked on was a studio. I had to travel by transit (which cost me about $12 each way) and work shifts. It was required I own toys, lingerie/outfits, shoes, lube etc. They provided rooms for the girls, bedding (industrially washed), Saran Wrap for keyboards, and cell phones as phone feature. When I was able to cam from home I had lots of expenses to get myself on my feet.

    You might not be using toys and just wearing a cute panty set to do shows but this is really outside the norm of typical cam girls and their shows. It's like saying oh I only do foot shows and never get naked. The fact is a sliver of 1% of girls who are like this.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    Agree ^^^^ not knocking camming at all here, but --

    Startup costs for stripping will depend a lot on the club's requirements. If you're in an area that doesn't have a 'min heel hgt' law, you can get a pair of 4" stilettos or wedges for fairly cheap until you can afford real stripper shoes. Starting at a club that requires gowns or minidresses will be a bit more expensive than a dive or mid-tier club that allows more casual dancer dress.

    Getting outed by being recorded: photography & recording are illegal in SCs. Doesn't mean it nvr ever ever happens, but observant dancers/security have a better chance of catching the guys who do it & making them delete the recordings than a camgirl whose show is being recorded w/o her knowledge by the guy on the other side of the computer. After reading sm of the discussions on here abt Google Glass & similar technology, I think a camgirl could just as easily be traced as a dancer by a nutcase who knows what they're doing.

    You can get stalkers from in-person or virtual interactions. Most 'stripper safety' guidlines are no different than the common-sense stuff we got told as kids -- don't talk to strangers, don't give personal info, be aware of traffic behind you (which is a good thing to do even if you're not anticipating being followed), etc. Listen to your gut. If smtg abt your work environment has you wondering abt 'getting killed in the club (seriously?)' then that's really all the incentive you should need to not work there.

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    I imagine I'd probably make as much or more camming than I did stripping, since I've never been one of those top earners who consistently makes a billion dollars a night. However, I don't think I'd be comfortable doing anything more than flashing--and even with that, the idea that some random person could potentially be recording me on the other end without my knowledge skeeves me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illuminaughty View Post
    2. Upfront costs.

    My upfront cost was $44.95 for my cam and that was it. I made that and more my first night.

    I just signed up for the site myself, waited a week to get approved and signed on. I didn't have to buy any toys, I bought everything after. I actually don't even have to use toys. I just wear cute panties and a bra. Which many men have offered to buy for me anyway.

    Almost everyone already has an internet connection, computer, a bed and a body.

    So I don't agree with the upfront cost.
    In the long haul, camming isn't cheap. One bit. So I'm gonna have to disagree with you.

    -Internet. I pay for the highest speed possible so I know I will have the best upload feed I can get. The cost is also monthly (I got my bill down to $94 a month). It isn't smart to cam on an internet connection you could share with you neighbors (most apartments offer free *shitty* internet.) ISPs .are upgrading their equipment and lines to provide better connection to their customers. You should always take advantage of that.

    -Upgrading equipment. Upgrades to software and new laptops with better specs can make your current computer or operating system obsolete in a few years. Better your equipment, the better your stream. It is best to stay on top of that, so you don't fall behind, and it can effect your stream.

    -Webcam/ video camera. Since HD is a thing, some customers won't even spend a dime on you if you don't stream in HD. It's best to get a camera that can stream up to 1080p. Also best to find a cam with a USB 3.0 (http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/usb_30) Mine cost $99, but it's time for me to get a new one. Since there are better webcams now.

    -Decorating. Now I used to not care about this, but it does help. You don't want to look like you are camming out of a closet. Decorating your cam space helps showcase your personality more, and is more inviting.

    -Personal upkeep. This goes both ways. We work in a very vain industry. So making sure you keep yourself healthy, also take good care of your skin, body, and hair.

    -Lighting. It's a picture, you want to make sure your customers get the best view of your body. You may have all the above, but if you have shit lighting, it won't even matter. You can get away with a shit ton of lamps (like I do) or get a softbox.

    -Electric bill. The more you cam and run power, the higher that bill will get. Also keep in mind, air conditioning and heating.

    These are very important points to bring up. Any veteran camgirl will tell you its not just log on and go. You have to invest. And keep on investing.





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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    HOW exactly is "Camming is more dangerous than stripping."?! The chances of Ted Bundy following me to my car at the strip club is way higher than me fucking myself on cam.
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    ^Definitely didn't mean dangerous as in you're more likely to get killed/hurt camming than you are dancing, but dangerous in the sense of your identity possibly getting put out there, which can have damaging repercussions depending on your personal situation if you're hiding it from certain people or want to go into certain careers, etc. Thought I made that clear with my bracketed explanation, but guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    HOW exactly is "Camming is more dangerous than stripping."?! The chances of Ted Bundy following me to my car at the strip club is way higher than me fucking myself on cam.

    I can't speak for the others in this thread, but I never said it was more. But there are justifiably dangerous elements to the job as well. "there's extreme examples of dangerous situations for both types of work. "

    Example.. you are doing a Skype show and someone figures out your IP. The internet isn't some sort of forcefield that encapsulates you from exposing your privacy, stalkers or harm.

    Anyone remember that debacle with the hacker site jollyroger that hacked adult websites (i think cosplay deviants was one of them)? i think this happened about two years ago. The posted a giant list of hundreds of models id's, real names, stage names, passwords, addresses and all kinds of other information that was stored on the sites they hacked. It was a Spanish site and long story short it took I think almost a month for the FBI to take it down (there was a thing on the site once it was taken down saying it was an FBI site now).

    It's just a different playing field than in real life work like stripping. Being stalked and followed home may be a more IMMEDIATE danger than camming/webwork (even doing clips on C4S or whatever). But issues are still possible for both, just on a different level.

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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    my good friend was a stripper by a popular airport and she eventually racked in a good 7K weekly that's why. There is so much money in stripping once you get a regular. She had a misconception of cammers though, she thinks all they do is masturbate lol

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    Oh I barely take my clothes off anymore. Most of it is teasing, sph, joi, goddess worship, humilation, cbt, findomming, blackmail and ect.





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    Default Re: why not cam instead of polework / dancing / stripping?

    As a dancer who desperately wishes she could cam, I will answer your questions from my own POV.

    I currently live in an area (central New York) where camming would be more lucrative than dancing. I'd probably make more on a Monday night camming than a Friday or Saturday night dancing. In fact I'm pretty convinced that if I had to rely on dancing as a means to an end, my average earnings would probably be 100-150 like your friend too, which is laughable IMO and not worth it enough for me to dance.

    I had considered camming over and over again, but there are just too many risks that I have researched on this site.

    The first thing is the paper trail. There is a lot of conflicting info on this site, with one party saying that a history of camming or working in a club that issues 1099s can turn up on background checks, while others say it will not be a risk. For me, I would rather be safe than sorry and not take the risk of finding out down the line that a history of camming can turn up on a background check. Although dancing sucks in my area, fortunately that is not the only thing I do for a living. I work for a church-affiliated non-profit company and I would get barbecued if something like camming turned up in my history.

    The second thing is the whole geoblocking thing. I had done a lot of searches on the site and I have read in a lot of threads that geoblocking doesn't work, or that there are ways around it. Another risk for me.

    That's really all I could think of for now. I would love to sit around at home and cam and never have to leave the comfort of my own home, since I spend my free time addicted to the internet and not going outside in the first place. I don't really like physical interaction with men or having them touch me, and I wouldn't have to put up with handsy fish-breath guys with camming. It would be an awesome job for me. But there are just a lot of things I could potentially lose down the line if camming had turned up.

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