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    Default The Culture of a cam site.

    Each cam site has a different culture, which stems for the top.

    Rarely do I see girls sign up or even think about this concept before signing up to a site.

    How many of you contact the owners before signing up to get a feel for this person' biz?

    Cause it greatly affects our earning potential. After all we are business partners with them, is it is important. I know, I have access to people who usually don't. But did you even try?

    The BBW niche cam sites:

    Why I do NOT cam on them. It starts with the owners. I don't like them, I never have liked how they did business before they started a cam site. They are cheap bastards.

    Meoshe did he ever contact me personally to work on his cam site? NO Did he contact my business partner at the time & photographer? yes He was pissed off that I refused to work for him. He berated them for a long long time, he assumed they had power & control over me. Cracked them the fuck up, cause they know how I am. How many ladies come on here complaining about NEVER reaching the $100 pay out mark. How he won't pay you until you do, nope, he is to cheap & rather keep the money.

    They all have a hard time believing the models are worth more than $1.99 per minute. Cheap is how I describe each one of them.

    Now PP has a cam site. He has NO ONE working on marketing at all for his new cam site. If you do shoot for him, he will make you after a long day in front of the camera, when you are worn out do a 2 hour cam show just for the money you make from the customers. He makes the girls do it for NO guarantee pay. Sitting their for 2 hours covered in cum from fucking 2 different guys, putting in an 8 to 12 hour day. He may tweet out that day you are doing a cam show that night.

    Guess what..... NONE of them pursue or recruit affiliates to go get the girls traffic. How much help & support do they give you with marketing? NONE Do you get a link to promote & make money yourself as an affiliate? NO

    BBW niche is a top converting for affiliates, they want our biz, they want to make money off of us & helping us to make more money. Tell you right now, you go to gfy or xbiz forums & read affiliate after affiliate complaining about how PP never pays them.

    MFC

    Lets you hustle any way you can, they let us mention twitter, they rarely do charge backs & pay out 50% the top girls on there are the most money making gals in the biz. It is a straight up hustle site. You got to be on your game to hustle there, but the rewards are great.

    Streamate

    They have plenty of affiliates. They have an easy link for us to promote ourselves & earn more money for each guy we bring in. They started gold shows to compete with the MFC tipping goal shows, only with them, no freeloader gets a free show. SMART!

    They are constantly retweeking the site to improve it.

    The were open & did a deal with Modelcentro for the people with solo sites to have sm on there & a fan club leading back to it on SM. Don't ya'll get this is UNHEARD of in the adult biz. I am beyond impressed.

    They have traffic for all kinds of niches on there. It is truly the free market concept at work.


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    It tries to hard to be like Mfc & Sm, but they do listen to suggestions. I know, performers uploading video to sell on there was mine. The started out at 35%, then got greedy & lowered new sign ups to 25%, that didn't work. So they raised everyone up to 50%. They lack focus.

    Chaturbate

    Go to gfy & you will see them working hard to get new affiliates. They are a lot like MFC another hard core hustle site, but upped the game with the apps. What an awesome concept. They make it easy for performers to be affiliates & encourage it. They are a game changer in the making.

    Imlive

    That site is just frustrating, this is an old school cam site. Models are replaceable, they have no respect for them at all. Crappy contract that was the standard for YEARS in this biz. Treated us like crap. I speak of this from personal experience. How many years did they do CHARGEBACKS to the performers? Despite that their competition was paying out more & NOT doing chargebacks. Takes forever for them to get with today's camming market in one single way but not in other ways. They are stuck in the past.

    Ifriends

    Used to be one of the best & biggest. They are also stuck in the past and now obsolete.

    Flirtforfree

    Used to be one of the biggest, also stuck in the past.

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    Now many of you will be able to add more to this thread than I can. Think I have shown here the culture, how the owners approach this biz greatly affects our incomes & earning potential. We can't base it upon the numbers of the percentage of what we get in their contracts.

    And for the record, if you think any of the site owners & management who might come here & read this thread will be surprised about what I have written they won't. Cause I have told them all exactly the same thing, It will be old news to them.

    Do NOT be afraid to disagree with me, I welcome it. It is how we all learn more.

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    Default Re: The Culture of a cam site.

    Internet is a fast ever changing money making industry. Porn used to be a leader in this new world, now it isn't.

    We have an obligation to ourselves to work for companies that look to the future instead of doing it the same old way & getting stagnate. None of us in any industry can afford to be stagnate.

    You don't owe any company loyalty, cause I can guarantee NONE of them will be loyal to you. Trust and know no matter where you go, the customers will eventually find you if you quit one & go to another.

    Important to build your brand, your social networks & traffic yourself. You can not depend upon a cam company to do it all for you. We all have to up our game to stay relevant, including the cam companies we work with.

    You are greatly cutting off your income when you work for a site that does not recruit affiliates & traffic. Mfc may not have many affiliates, but they are major fucking traffic.
    Sites that are big today, may not be in 2 years. We all have to keep an eye out for the up & coming who are approaching it differently. We all have to study & predict the future to be apart of it.

    You can go back years & read my past threads to see how well I do this. What I wrote when I first started on here has come true. Companies now treat us better, the contracts from 10 years ago were way worst. Companies do now sees us as biz partners, they do listen to us. They do come here & read what we write, where it used to be we were all replaceable & didn't matter.
    Companies like modelcentro want to work with us, not just use us & move on.

    I predicted years ago all these things changing.

    We are the future of porn. We are the power players in porn. We gain more & more of that power by taking it for ourselves with building our brands & social networks.

    Think, big picture. Think about what you want & where you want this biz to go. We make it happen. I have changed it each & every day from my first ever porn shoot 15 years ago. You all have that ability, if you want it.

    My next goal... For more of you to renegotiate your camming contracts. It has been done. I've done it. Rule #1 Sales become #1 on the cam site you work on, become a top money making earner for them. Work within their system. Have tons & tons of followers on instagram, youtube, twitter & tumblr aka a major traffic source. Then go in & renegotiate your camming contract for a higher percentage.

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    LMAO Just read my astrology:

    You've got something to say, and you know exactly how and to whom you want to deliver it. Good for you! You're through being quiet and putting up with the status quo. Speak your mind and see things change.


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    Yes! Imlive does treat the models very badly, I got to see firsthand when I was chosen as one of the hosts to go with them to Internext, not only did they barely pay us?? They worked us like slaves. I worked so hard without food I was shaking. Not only that they have no designated lunch breaks for us, until I said hey we need to eat lunch! The only rest I could get was to go to the damn restroom. They picked 3 girls, One in their 20's, 30's and 40's... I was in my 30's... this was years ago when they were beating out Ifriends for #1... The twenty something girl was cozy up to some of the techie guys who work for Imlive.. and they admitted they play dirty underhanded games with the hosts and they don't allow you to succeed.. after that convention my income was cut in half and a lot of my shows were redirected to other hosts.. They admitted this is what they do .. I made mention about it one day in a pvt on there and they have BLACKLISTED me from working there since 2008...LOL... I mean I have tried to reapply and even gotten my app accepted only to be rejected.. They told me to NEVER apply for them again.. They don't want anyone to know their dirty lil secrets.. They truly do not care about models at all.


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    EXACTLY I started off with Imlive. Was one of the first porn star models. I was averaging $180 per hour. We were supposed to be special & have a dedicated support person to cater just to us.

    1. the html was wrong the links didn't go back to the porn star section. I called, was brushed off & told I didn't know anything. I wrote, same thing, told I didn't know what I was talking about. Treated like a dumb ass bitch. The disdain & hate could be clearly heard in their voices. Finally, I got someone. They check out what I was saying, then they freaked the fuck out. All I heard was "oh shit, Oh Shit, OH SHIT" . Yep, took them several weeks to get it fixed. Guess I wasn't so dumb after all.

    2. Had a repeat customer watching my shows for free. He always stayed 10 to 15 minutes. Would check my stats & NOTHING. I called, same treatment, I was a dumb bimbo. I wrote, same treatment. They had a forum on the site just for porn stars. I posted the problem there, several other girls commented they had the exact same problem with the same guy. I WAS FIRED within 24 hours.

    A couple of years ago, I went to an Xbiz event in Miami. It was a females in porn meeting only. I was the only performer there. Rest were affiliates & Carol from IMLIVE, she was the one who signed me up. She was the one who made me all kinds of false promises. Since there were only about 12 females there we all introduced ourselves. I did not assume they would know me, but they did. Affiliate managers stated out loud how I was one of their top converting girls on SM. Right were Carol could hear them. She tried to get me back. Told her how I was treated. Told her no way would I ever sign up to a site that still did chargebacks to the performers & how they did not keep up with the current cam market. I was polite, but honest.

    Walked out of there happy as can be.

    I do, in person, tell the powers to be at these companies exactly what I think. Which was a career killer 5 years ago, that never stopped me. But many in the porn biz will tell you that there will be consequences for calling these companies out on how badly they treat us. I have been threatened, blackballed several times. I sell. Rule #1 SALES Now, company owners & other performers are so used to it by me. If they treated us right, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

    We can NOT let cam companies be underhanded & treat us badly & as disposable. We have a value. Without us they don't have a business.

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    ^^True dat! I met Carol in person at the internext.. wow she has been working with them since their inception.

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    I have the pleasure of working now on SM and very much like the culture there. You did not mention LJ so I thought I would. It is where I got my start almost three years ago, we have had a love hate relationship. While there are many things I liked about LJ if you are an American Model you will get run off the site by the studio owners. It seems there is a whole hacker sub-culture there. I was informed by a former troll of many of the dirty dealings that happen there. One of the worst he informed me is the models who work on LJ and SM are hacked. It is done (or was done) thru the encoder(jasmincam). What they were doing was not only redirecting my and others traffic, but also stealing from our customers(SM) account. When I found this out I dumped everything on my computer that had to do with LJ and only work SM for now while building up my site with Model Centro(love them). Ahhh the life!
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    How does cammodeldirectory stack up in Your opinion ladies? I know there is a thread here, but just want to delve deeper, before I delve deeper into that site, and give it attention. thankx

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    Sam, Thank you for being around here. I've looked through A LOT of threads on here before deciding to try Camming and you're posts/threads have always been super helpful and insightful.

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    I did not write about some sites, because I have never took the time to study them.

    Which is why all of you reporting the essence of a site is important.

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    @Glam - CMD is fantastic. Marc, the owner, is very available and open to talk with models and take our suggestions, and the site has worked flawlessly with payments. The traffic is less than it used to be a few months ago, but I get a few shows per day with them if I leave Yahoo on all day.

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    I totally agree that the way a site treats the models says a lot. I for one am done with shady sites and studios. We have to stand up to the bullshit.

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    Culture of a cam site is definitely an important factor in picking a cam site. It happens to be one of the most popular questions we veteran users get here.

    I started on Cams March 18 2003 and Streamate October 2004 shortly after that. I am also learning my camming experience has been a rocky ride with business mistakes, outside chatter from haters and trying to position myself as a medium size fish in an industry that is mostly male dominated with a lot of big fish, sharks and parasites.

    Trying to build an online business for myself is an epic journey for me. Now I am working on my up coming book(s), This is where you literally have to create your own business model and find companies and people who fit with your vision and mission. Entrepreneur life can be something that pulls you in many directions where you need to be able to adapt and reinvent yourself as you grow and your business grows.

    Right now I am trying to set up camming where it will be something I use to transition into a new business venture. Never thought I would be using the word business venture in this because in my early years I never saw my as an entrepreneur when it came to being a cam model. Now I am learning that is a wrong way of thinking when you come into this. Yes it can be treated like a job where you just pick a site and clock your hours and pretty much live pay check to pay check which can be a great success and comfortable living for some.

    But if you want to go into this for the long haul of building a brand, social media strategy and become the new age adult star then yes thinking big is a must. Some sites may never change their business model, but if they have an affiliate program that is where you can maximize your exposure, and income and use it to your advantage.

    The key thing is picking one site sticking with it become a master of it whatever being a master is for you before you jump on the next thing. Shinny object Syndrome is a big thing in our industry. Where if you do not have small business sense it can really pull you into a spiral.

    Since we are the new way of doing porn I can suspect that the media will knocking on our door trying to pick our brains at the next new story of being porn stars. We actually have the opportunity of positioning ourselves as experts, dominating female entrepreneurs and create the laptop lifestyle that vanilla people always dreamed of.
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    I agree with your point with the knowing the culture of each site. There's a just a different hustle to each site and what works for one may not work for the other. Back in 2008 the bbw based sites were pretty decent but I can totally see where they failed with not paying for exposure or advertisement,yet expecting girls to work.

    I noticed Moshe and his "partners" just opted in for an affiliate link for models (finally) and an embedded chatroom for membership sites and they were trying to give 30% or so of the sales until I told him and his partners that if a model is getting her own traffic they need to give her the 30% affiliate rate on top of her earning percentage. The guys thanked me and fixed it but I thought that was really shitty. I lost all respect for them when Scott took over and they tried to revive it from the dead whilst owing several models money.

    I tried explaining to Moshe that his site had gone completely to shit from where it was back in 2008 in conversions. The same bummy ass freeloaders from 2008 are still actively room hoping and begging for shows as if BBW aren't worth spending a dime on. Sites should get better, not worse. He tried convincing me that "the site is getting new traffic everyday, models are making payout daily, the site is always getting better!" Bullshit. I noticed that they refused to release funds until $100 was made for payout. Well, hmm how does one make payout on a dead site? It should not take months to make $100. That's ridiculous.

    As far as negotiating a contract, it sounds awesome, however I have some concerns. I'll be blunt Sam. We're not all amazing well seasoned porn stars like you. Your hard work and brand will probably get you further in the door than any of us regular Jane Doe cam bbs. Don't take that as me saying that a regular cammodel can't negotiate or brand herself. All of your advice with getting our own exposure is awesome, (and it works) but I have a feeling that the owners of big sites aren't just going to open a basic bitches email, lol. Like I explained to an awesome bb earlier: I just have this vision of us walking on big box site's version of Shark Tank while we try and negotiate 50-65% for a "share" on their site.

    "But Kevin O'Leary, Sir. I've made top sales on SM in the past 3 years. I have big tits, a juicy ass, flawless make up, and I have 30,000 favs." and I can see them replying:
    "We can't pay our employees $50k a year salary with benefits and paid vacation, affiliates, and advertising on 50%. I'm Out!"

    I believe if a model was going to make this a career or brand herself then your advice would be key. However, some of us just want to work hard and snatch off our wigs at the end of the day. We don't want to brand ourselves, we don't want to make cam a career but we'll work just as hard and I believe we should benefit from a raise as well. I feel like a regular cammodel who puts in work and isn't trying to be a brand should still be able to negotiate her contract based on her sales and hour clocked in. Where's the national camgirl raise? Why should we have to negotiate? like you said, without us, these sites would cease to exist.

    Yes, we all singed a contract, but I'm still trying to figure out if room for negotiation is possible; why weren't we all given a better percentage in the first place? I just want to hustle and eat and move on in my life after I've used cam as a tool. I don't want to have to brand myself and tweet titty pics daily just to make more money. Some of us just want to make money and get out. Now I personally know how to advertise myself outside of the site to get more sales but that's besides the point. I feel like if these sites gave us more, we'd be much happier and would give back a lot more as well. I feel like we need to take back more power in this industry instead of just being grateful for the little percentages we do get.
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    hey Kourtney,
    Thanks for the input.
    Of course, we all don't have the same ambitions, doesn't mean someone works harder or is more important.

    But I do believe girls should know the possibilities. And if you are a top earner, say you make on your end $100,000 a year, how much did SM make? Now you don't think they don't know who their top earners are no matter if they are famous or a porn star.

    ALL Contracts are renegotiable, never hurts to ask. Statistically speaking in the U.S. females make 70cents on a dollar compared to their male counter parts. We don't renegotiate pay, or ask for raises. What would be the harm in asking them to bump it up to 40%?

    Top earners on a cam site are NOT a dime a dozen & cam companies Know it. One of the top girls on SM pulls in $500,000 a year on cam. If you are making that kind of money, you have every right to try & ask for a higher percentage.

    When I started out in porn, shooting for Naughty America, Porn pros, Vivid & many other companies were not even a possibility for a BBW. That was out of the question, nobody did it before me. I don't let porn companies and the status quo dictate to me what I can achieve in my career.

    All I am saying, if you want it & even though it isn't a what companies normally do, it is possible. While majority of performers may not want to do that, shouldn't they at least know it is possible? Isn't that how we dare to change this biz? Glass ceilings are made to be broken.


    I was told repeatedly by porn company owners that all solo sites failed, why bother. At the height of pay sites making money, before tubesites & the economy crashing, I was making $10,000 a month off of my site. I'm not the normal skinny, fake boob, young girl that porn always said only make money in this biz. I changed this biz.

    The #1 cam girl last year is on live jazmin. She isn't a porn star.I hope she renegotiated her contract.

    How many bbw's were in the top 10 of cam sites before I came along?

    Of course, everybody has different goals & ambitions. There might be that 1% here that want to go for it though. We have to let them know it is possible.

    Aren't we playing into cam companies pockets if we think it isn't?

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    I agree completely. I think anything is possible and we should ask for more money. At the same I just wish we were offered more from jump but life doesn't always work out like that.




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    I do think that where Streamate fails is taking care of their models. Heck, I wouldn't care so much about the 35% margins if the support for models didn't suck so back. The support is absolutely horrible and I feel like they treat their models like garbage. Streamate is "stuck in the past" in that aspect and it's going to hurt them in the long run. This industry is full of competition and the moment a better site comes along I guarantee a lot of models will be leaving.

    If you compare MFC to SM. Models are way more loyal to MFC. In this industry customers want to be able to interact with you outside of the site. They want to follow you on twitter, send you gifts, buy panties, etc. SM makes that a fireable offense. Whereas on MFC it's almost encouraged and part of the culture of the site.

    I'm curious to see what happens, but unless Streamate makes changes I really believe it's going to fall into the cam graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smaddy View Post
    I do think that where Streamate fails is taking care of their models. Heck, I wouldn't care so much about the 35% margins if the support for models didn't suck so back. The support is absolutely horrible and I feel like they treat their models like garbage. Streamate is "stuck in the past" in that aspect and it's going to hurt them in the long run. This industry is full of competition and the moment a better site comes along I guarantee a lot of models will be leaving.

    If you compare MFC to SM. Models are way more loyal to MFC. In this industry customers want to be able to interact with you outside of the site. They want to follow you on twitter, send you gifts, buy panties, etc. SM makes that a fireable offense. Whereas on MFC it's almost encouraged and part of the culture of the site.

    I'm curious to see what happens, but unless Streamate makes changes I really believe it's going to fall into the cam graveyard.
    I do agree with you about general support. Not being able to call & figure things out is frustrating. Especially new users with the encoder, that thing is complicated & a nightmare. A voice with patience & an attitude we can get through this together goes a long ways in building loyalty between the company & performers.


    Now, they do have a tumblr page with hints on different subjects to help us improve.

    Although I do worry about SM future when Manwin/mindgeek goes down in several years how it will survive. Them being the biggest traffic broker at this time in adult, with a huge balloon payment due on a $350 million loan due in a couple of year. Or will they bail out, shut down, file bankruptcy & keep all the money rather than pay it back. Cause that is how the corporate world works.

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    on the subject of customer support - the site xcams is recruiting on SW in the jobs section - I clicked into their site and they have an actual live chat option - what a novel idea -- I am not promoting their site just to be clear - they have a fucked up payout system - I contacted the support thru the live chat feature and the person was super nice and AVAILABLE - she never clarified the mystery pay but I liked that they were accessible to address questions / concerns ( wish I had actually gotten an answer - will post in a bit what info I did get ) - with all of SM's money and technology you would think an option like this would be ideal





    edited to add - posted about this site in jobs section
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    IML stuck in the past....thing is, they used to be unique and did very well, now its like they are trying to be the same as everyone else and... The thing I hope stays the same though is not having to be in free video chat always. Not many places are like that anymore. Finally no CB's. They got their version of Gold shows now, slowly changing and looking like the other places to the Members. But for hosts..well, I used to fight with CS a lot, but some personel changes happened and over the last 6 or 7 yrs, it got better. A lot better. Now they ask opinions, not that mine carry much weight, but they do ask, and have also personally helped me out in a pinch or two. Does that mean they arent sitting there thinking we are all interchangeable and disposable? Dont know about that but I do know one thing: Sam, I think contract renegotiation based on performance is an outstanding idea, we ARENT all exactly the same, and I hope the higher ups at these sites undoubtably reading your posts also consider that many hosts are clicking the "Thanks" button on the things you say. Id work for you if you owned a site.

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    LOL. IML still does CB's I got one for $15 about a month ago. They should be absorbing them 100%. I guess when pigs fly which is why I chose not to work with them for the time being.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddie67 View Post
    IML stuck in the past....thing is, they used to be unique and did very well, now its like they are trying to be the same as everyone else and... The thing I hope stays the same though is not having to be in free video chat always. Not many places are like that anymore. Finally no CB's. They got their version of Gold shows now, slowly changing and looking like the other places to the Members. But for hosts..well, I used to fight with CS a lot, but some personel changes happened and over the last 6 or 7 yrs, it got better. A lot better. Now they ask opinions, not that mine carry much weight, but they do ask, and have also personally helped me out in a pinch or two. Does that mean they arent sitting there thinking we are all interchangeable and disposable? Dont know about that but I do know one thing: Sam, I think contract renegotiation based on performance is an outstanding idea, we ARENT all exactly the same, and I hope the higher ups at these sites undoubtably reading your posts also consider that many hosts are clicking the "Thanks" button on the things you say. Id work for you if you owned a site.
    We all were once new & innovative.

    Then we find what works & stick with that formula for years. Sometimes to our own determent. It happens. Before the web, that was a good business practice.

    Not practical in today's fast moving world. Hell, I was fine with a beeper and some of the younger people are going wtf is a beeper. I remember watching the Jetsons as a kid. Seeing them talk on a computer screen cam2cam with another person in a different far location. NEVER EVER in my wildest imagination did I think that would be possible. Much less earning a living from it.

    To stay relevant, to keep making money as individuals & as companies we have to keep watch & see what future abilities to make money will unfold. It is easy to become obsolete if we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamourmilf View Post
    How does cammodeldirectory stack up in Your opinion ladies? I know there is a thread here, but just want to delve deeper, before I delve deeper into that site, and give it attention. thankx
    I'm on CMD, no complaints!!! Owner is always available, you can get bonuses every month for amount of money brought in...I'm not on enough to do it but I've never had problems with payments or lack of support. I've had the owner check on the bigger payments to make sure the client is legit.. never had any problems... For the most part you do have to bring your own traffic but you can pay 20 bucks or something to be highlighted...there's a couple options for them to market you, I've just never paid as I work that as background to other sites I'm on.

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    What about cams.com? You never really hear opinions about what its like there much..

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