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    My friend works at (probably) most expensive/nicest club in Detroit and offers handjobs (with a condom) so I assumed at least that was standard. I previously worked at the 2nd or 3rd nicest club in the area. I had very few people asking for hand work, nobody wanting a dance, and only a few accepted even "what about a blowjob?" Instead of the sex they wanted (Which I never followed through with using the excuse "I don't have any condoms") That obvs took a cut in my profit.


    My main problems was that custies are always asking to fuck me when I get off stage (and in general). Am I flashing my crotch too much or something? lol if I go back am I going to have to offer some sort of extras since literally NO ONE wanted "just a dance"?


    Note: When I complained about this to management, they shrugged and said I have to "meet the customer's expectations set by the other girls." It's a nicer club, so anywhere else and I feel it'd be much worse. Is it like that in other areas, or maybe I just look like the sex type? I wear a long black-haired wig and many of my customers say I look "sweet" and "innocent" so why do they just wanna fuck me? -.-;

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    That sucks. It sounds like your managers are okay with the extras so long as they are getting their cut. And sounds like multiple dancers are doing extras that most customers are trained to expect sex in the club.

    Almost every night I work at least one dude will try and ask for sex or be like "what do I get in the VIP?" Ive hustled dances only out of guys looking for sex/extras because the smart ones will pay to test out the girls (and their boundaries) seeing which ones are are going either for ITC extras or OTC escorting. It's the cost of their game. They know some girls will buts some girls won't and they won't find out until after I've collected $$ for a dance only.

    I personally hate guys that are trolling for extras in the club because first off I hate when someone tries to hustle me at my job, second they act like they walked into Bunny Ranch Brothel or something trying to order up sex services in the wrong place. And finally, the more illegal things going down means higher possibility law enforcement can come raid a club and ain't nobody got time for all that.

    Do do not offer extras just to compete with dancers who do. If it's something you're not comfortable with don't do it. Don't waste your time with those type of customers. In my experience not all customers want sex in thE club.
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    It sounds like your managers are okay with the extras so long as they are getting their cut. And sounds like multiple dancers are doing extras that most customers are trained to expect sex in the club.
    This is increasingly the case, for both upscale and 'regular' clubs. With club customer 'discretionary' spending budgets being eroded by stagnant wages versus rising prices for food, rent, taxes etc., club customers expect more 'bang for their buck'. And, for better or worse, virtually all potential LE and legal consequences stemming from being busted for 'extras' falls on the dancers themselves not the clubowner or club staff. Thus tacitly approving of dancers providing 'extras' is a win / no-lose situation for the clubowners and club staff.


    Ive hustled dances only out of guys looking for sex/extras because the smart ones will pay to test out the girls (and their boundaries) seeing which ones are are going either for ITC extras or OTC escorting. It's the cost of their game. They know some girls will buts some girls won't and they won't find out until after I've collected $$ for a dance only.
    just a 'side note' to bring attention to the increasing likelihood that club customers are now sharing information regarding which particular dancers DO provide the 'extras' they are seeking versus which other dancers will not. As such, it is increasingly likely that 'smart' club customers who do their 'research' will say no to dancers who have been 'reported' by other customers as not providing 'extras'. From the customer's standpoint, the ease of internet based information sharing increasingly allows them to avoid 'wasting money' having to discover for themselves via VIP purchases whether or not a particular dancer is willing to offer 'extras'.


    they act like they walked into Bunny Ranch Brothel or something trying to order up sex services in the wrong place. And finally, the more illegal things going down means higher possibility law enforcement can come raid a club
    This speaks to a point which you indirectly made ... that an increasing number of customers expecting 'extras', plus an increasing number of fellow dancers offering 'extras', plus an increased dependence by clubowners and club staff on 'extras' dancer VIP sales to provide their own incomes, plus an increasingly high club profile with LE, is arguably creating an increasingly risky situation for 'clean' dancers working in clubs where 'extras' are becoming the norm rather than the exception.\

    In today's scenario, 'clean' dancers may actually be viewed as a financial liability by the clubowner ( i.e. they don't produce as much revenue as an 'extras' girl who could take their place ). 'Clean' dancers are likely to see their own sales rate drop once it is discovered by club customers that 'extras' will not be provided. And if LE isn't 100% selective, 'clean' dancers can easily be ( bogusly ) swept up in a wall to wall club 'bust', and placed in a situation of having to prove their innocence regarding ( bogus ) prostitution charges.
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    Detroit is the worst area for extras. I would try another city

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    Nina is a clean dancer in Detroit who does well, so it can be done.

    I agree that looking a little more naive is probably not helping, so if you can look older/classier, do it. But Detroit is very well known for being full of extras, so it's also just the local "market conditions". If you're not comfortable doing extras (and I don't think anyone here would advise you to do them anyway, as it IS bad for the club and industry in general), find a different job or move to another city.
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    I didn't even think of the online reviews for strippers, melonie. I'm going to check it out to stay abreast of what's going on from customer viewpoint.

    I guess I was thinking more about the dancers or customers who use the club to line up sex services/extras outside the club. I figured even the dancers who were doing OTC escorting would at least have the guy spend money on them in the club first.
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    I'm assuming your friend works at Penthouse? That's the most expensive in the area, and one of the biggest brothels. Probably 90% of the girls there at least give blow jobs. Anything goes and management doesn't care at these Detroit clubs. I've worked at many (never did extras and still managed to be a top earner btw) and I've seen house moms guve girls condoms. Complaining about extras at the whore houses will do you no good. There are only 2 "clean" clubs in metro Detroit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I didn't even think of the online reviews for strippers, melonie. I'm going to check it out to stay abreast of what's going on from customer viewpoint.
    Oh yeah it's a real thing. I've seen reviews of dancers over at TUSCL (myself included) and those reviews can be really telling of the club itself. When you want to make a review of a club on their site, the rules ask that if a girl provided an extra service, NOT to blatantly state who they are, but a lot of them do.

    I have never worked in Detroit, but it sounds like a tough city to crack. Not everyone can make money in areas with clubs famous for prostitution, as I can't myself in certain areas so I choose not to work in them. I would advise, after trying different clubs and if you can't seem to find a niche, not to waste your time and look at other cities in your location to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Nina is a clean dancer in Detroit who does well, so it can be done.
    Yup! Although a couple months ago I left the club I was at to go work at a clean one and it's the best decision I could've made. I should've done that years ago!
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    I have a feeling that sex work is becoming more legitimized in our society. Just like marijuana was a big problem 20 years ago, and people were getting arrested for having very tiny amounts on them, today, most cops just ignore it. Sex work falls into the same category in many cities around the nation. San Francisco has a policy of putting prostitution crimes as a very low priority. The clubs are just taking their cut of the $$ while it is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    I'm assuming your friend works at Penthouse? That's the most expensive in the area, and one of the biggest brothels. Probably 90% of the girls there at least give blow jobs. Anything goes and management doesn't care at these Detroit clubs. I've worked at many (never did extras and still managed to be a top earner btw) and I've seen house moms guve girls condoms. Complaining about extras at the whore houses will do you no good. There are only 2 "clean" clubs in metro Detroit.
    I went to high school with a girl at the Penthouse who does embarrassingly cheap oral. My friend is actually at the Collisium. I had auditioned there, but got the "we're not hiring, but will call you in 2 weeks when we are" bs. What clubs are the "clean" ones? I would not mind doing some extras occasionally, but I don't think I could have my secondary income rely on it. I have a vanilla job to get by, but I'm using dancing to help pay rent and replace my current illicit secondary income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammiMinasu View Post
    I went to high school with a girl at the Penthouse who does embarrassingly cheap oral. My friend is actually at the Collisium. I had auditioned there, but got the "we're not hiring, but will call you in 2 weeks when we are" bs. What clubs are the "clean" ones? I would not mind doing some extras occasionally, but I don't think I could have my secondary income rely on it. I have a vanilla job to get by, but I'm using dancing to help pay rent and replace my current illicit secondary income.
    you really think anyones going to tell you where the clean clubs are when you say you plan on doing extras? lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I have a feeling that sex work is becoming more legitimized in our society. Just like marijuana was a big problem 20 years ago, and people were getting arrested for having very tiny amounts on them, today, most cops just ignore it. Sex work falls into the same category in many cities around the nation. San Francisco has a policy of putting prostitution crimes as a very low priority. The clubs are just taking their cut of the $$ while it is available.
    I'm sure stripping is lumped into the sex work category even though many strippers dont have sex with customers while working, we are dancing in sexually suggestive ways.

    Only problem for me is when I Started stripping I had no idea what an extra was nor did I realize 'extras' was part of the game. And I could see where young newbie dancers desperate for cash or just plain dumb and naive could get caught up here.

    I think the heat turning a blind eye to illicit club activities depends on a few factors. One being location. I happen to be somewhere in the Bible Belt so its more strict in this area. San Fransisco is more liberal area. Here, If girls are giving extras in the club is done under the table. They don't talk about it, they're not doing it where others could see, or they're arranging to do it outside the club after work.
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    I know nothing about Detroit but just wanted to add something. The nicest upscale club in my town (I work in Oregon) a lot of the girls offer extras, and the club let's them get away with it. I work at what would be considered a dive but we are soo clean. I know it's hard to believe but literally no extras. I've gotten in trouble for customers stuffing money in m bra because they were too close to touching my nipples. So just saying, just because it's the most upscale doesn't mean it's the cleanest. Actually in the 2 towns I work in the most upscale clubs are the dirtiest.

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    OP unless you can sell ice to an eskimo, I'd find another city to work. As others have said, a lot of your problem isn't you but your location. You basically answered your own 'WTF is wrong?' when you said customers there have been trained to expect extras ITC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I have a feeling that sex work is becoming more legitimized in our society. Just like marijuana was a big problem 20 years ago, and people were getting arrested for having very tiny amounts on them, today, most cops just ignore it. Sex work falls into the same category in many cities around the nation. San Francisco has a policy of putting prostitution crimes as a very low priority. The clubs are just taking their cut of the $$ while it is available.
    ^ yup!!! This is actually why I hated working in SF recently due to the customers hitting me up for extras in the lap dances & drugs. It's disgusting & such a pain in my ass to have to deal with not to mention if I had worked up there more often than I did. I don't have a problem with a custy lightly caressing my leg or waist but I will not tolerate anything more than that from a fucking dance to which the clubs take a cut from. I agree that sometimes if faced with that problem, you just have to uproot to another city for work or just travel. That's what I had to do.
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    You have a main job, so I don't understand why you feel the pressure to do occasional extras? You also have SW's hustle hut and club section to help you out. So, complaining about extras when you take part....I don’t get it??? Once in a while shit nights happen. There's always the next shift.

    Find a decent club, but seriously... don't break club rules, fkn it up for everyone.

    If you're not making money in general without the need to break rules, then a different job is best. Don't cater to these losers. There are still men out there who like to spend on girls without asking to cross boundaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammiMinasu View Post
    I went to high school with a girl at the Penthouse who does embarrassingly cheap oral. My friend is actually at the Collisium. I had auditioned there, but got the "we're not hiring, but will call you in 2 weeks when we are" bs. What clubs are the "clean" ones? I would not mind doing some extras occasionally, but I don't think I could have my secondary income rely on it. I have a vanilla job to get by, but I'm using dancing to help pay rent and replace my current illicit secondary income.
    Honestly I don't feel inclined to tell you where I work when you've made it blatantly clear that you don't mind doing extras in the future. My club's management actually does care if extras occur, and it's not tolerated. It is a clean club. Most of the girls at my club, including myself, would like for it to stay that way - the last thing we need is girls who do extras coming in, even if you in particular only do them on occasion. Honestly, I don't think my club would be a good fit for you.
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    OP, if you're really that ok w/ doing extras, I honestly don't give a shit how 'occasionally' or 'infrequently' you plan to do it. Don't even fkng bother w/ dancing. Put on your big girl thong & escort. 'Occasional extras' are a lot of what led to 'constant & expected extras' in the first place. You've got no room to bitch abt the local demand for extras when you're planning on contributing to the problem, esp if you're looking to take those plans to a clean club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammiMinasu View Post
    I would not mind doing some extras occasionally
    ^That made everyone who could refer you to a clean club decide against it. Seriously, if you don't mind them once in a while, just do BR or escort one day a week. It'll earn you a lot more respect for keeping extras where they belong, instead of in the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    OP, if you're really that ok w/ doing extras, I honestly don't give a shit how 'occasionally' or 'infrequently' you plan to do it. Don't even fkng bother w/ dancing. Put on your big girl thong & escort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    Honestly I don't feel inclined to tell you where I work when you've made it blatantly clear that you don't mind doing extras in the future. My club's management actually does care if extras occur, and it's not tolerated. It is a clean club. Most of the girls at my club, including myself, would like for it to stay that way - the last thing we need is girls who do extras coming in, even if you in particular only do them on occasion. Honestly, I don't think my club would be a good fit for you.

    Jfc everyone attacking me is really unnecessary, thanks? Some of y'all need to relearn human interaction OTC.


    Anyway, the only reason I would do occasional extras is if the club DEMANDED it. I'm not looking to dirty up a clean place. Hell--I wouldn't even be looking into stripping if it weren't for the money. Plus, I stated I wanted to QUIT my illicit job, not go start another one. A no/one-way contact club or one where you could make all your money on stage would be awesome, but if I have to let guys touch and get a little close that's alright too.

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    ^^^^^ Therés a BIG difference between 'letting guys touch & get a little close' & doing extras.

    It's not the clean dancers here who 'need to relearn human interaction' so much as you need to find your spine & not be contributing to the extras problem just bc club mgmt tells you to. How long have you been dancing, OP? Will you start helping the club peddle coke too just bc mgmt says you have to? You'll get eaten alive in this business if you don't stand up for yourself. Club mgmt certainly won't show you any loyalty if you get busted for extras or anything else.

    No clean dancer wants an extras-friendly dancer coming to their club, bc that's how that kind of problem spreads, & from the way you were wording your posts that's exactly how you were coming across. If you're extras-comfy, great -- don't bring that shit to a clean club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammiMinasu View Post
    Jfc everyone attacking me is really unnecessary, thanks? Some of y'all need to relearn human interaction OTC.

    Anyway, the only reason I would do occasional extras is if the club DEMANDED it.
    The club does not DEMAND anything, it's your choice to work at that club or to find a cleaner one. We are "attacking" you because this board is clean dancers and we are sick of extras girls coming into our clubs and making life difficult.
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    When you state that you're cool with doing extras, you're letting every dancer here know that you're a threat, both to their safety and their income. I work in a moderately dirty club as a clean dancer and every single dirty girl in there fucks every clean dancer over daily. They take customers away, because they offer sex at the same price as a clean dance and that customer is unlikely to pay for a clean dance ever again. They encourage customers to push limits with clean dancers, because they have the mistaken impression that we all do it dirty. They're responsible for more and more oppressive rules and higher fees, because the club doesn't want raids or liquor control fines.

    The first customer that I had to defend myself from during a private dance stated that a couple of dirty dancers let him have extras and told him that we all do it. I was sexually assaulted because some bitch decided it was better to let a stranger stick fingers in her for $20 than to learn a clean hustle. That is some serious shit right there and I'll bet that most dancers here have a story like that.

    No club is ever going to demand that you do extras, unless its a front for prostitution. You set your limits, you set your boundaries and you enforce them. I know Detroit is a rough town. But you can manage to earn a living without harming others in the process. If you're ok withbextras, own it. Nobody here has a problem with body rubs or escorting. Just keep that shit out of our workplace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor_luvv View Post
    So just saying, just because it's the most upscale doesn't mean it's the cleanest. Actually in the 2 towns I work in the most upscale clubs are the dirtiest.
    ^^This. And actually, you might consider starting at a lower end club instead, if you can find a decent one. They tend to have lower fees, and so if you haven't sold many dances by the end of the night, you're not going to feel like you have to do extras cuz that's the only way you think you'll make your house fee back.

    That said, if you feel that you HAVE to do extras in order to make enough $$ to pay your bills and such, you should really consider a different line of work. For every additional $$ you make that way because you feel that you HAVE to, you'll probably end up having to spend twice as much in therapy later on.
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