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    Question Do you think your prices affect your average income?

    I was just wondering this. I used to make almost $1000 a week, which is really good for me, and I had my prices on SM at $7.99 and $5.99.
    I've since lowered them to $4.99 and $1.99 over the course of six months because people were complaining so much and I'm now barely making anything.
    Do you think that if I raise my prices, I'll make more money?
    Has anyone else had an experience like this?
    Input please!

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    Omg I am sorry you "felt" in the trap of complaining.If you were making money,then complaints shouldn't affect you at all.
    Is like some expensive jewllery store would sell the diamonds cheaper just because 80% of the morrons don't even have money to watch on the window.
    Coming back to your problem,yes I think is okay to rise your prices.You have nothing else to lose more than what you lost so far.

    But stick to them at least 2 weeks,not dropping them back after 2 silent days.
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    Just play around with your prices and see what works for YOU. What works for you may not work the same for someone else and vice versa.

    Try new rates and give them time to kick in. At least a couple of days if you can.

    Another bit of advice. The opinions that have the most weight on someone's outlook are usually the negative ones, but they should pay attention to the POSITIVE ones instead. For example, you had guys complaining that your rates were high before. How many of those guys ever took your private? I'm betting they just sat, stared, and complained. What about your regulars and the guys who were ACTUALLY buying shows? Did they ever complain? I'm willing to bet that they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smaddy View Post
    Just play around with your prices and see what works for YOU. What works for you may not work the same for someone else and vice versa.

    Try new rates and give them time to kick in. At least a couple of days if you can.

    Another bit of advice. The opinions that have the most weight on someone's outlook are usually the negative ones, but they should pay attention to the POSITIVE ones instead. For example, you had guys complaining that your rates were high before. How many of those guys ever took your private? I'm betting they just sat, stared, and complained. What about your regulars and the guys who were ACTUALLY buying shows? Did they ever complain? I'm willing to bet that they didn't.
    Haha i just realised I forgot to put the question about the complainers,if they took her to private (but clearly not,as her earnings dropped) but i pressed the post button.Then I saw your post haha ) good
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    I started out at 2.99/4.99 had no clue about the fact that you could actually go beyond. When I did found out I raised my prices with 1 dollar each time I did. Worked my way up to 9.99/11.99 right now in the 2 years I have been camming. I had to put in lots of work to get a new clientele since I started out so low- all my old custies are gone now, but I have amazing new custies who are willing to spend it on me.

    People complain about my prices, but I still have a strong customerbase with regs and a lot of new clients. If I would have listened to the people in free chat even 1.99 would be to high.
    Funny fact is that whenever I raise and feel insecure about it I get more complainers, they can smell it on me. (or maybe I am taking more notice of it since I am worries about going to high).
    Higher price for me means I can give my custies extra energy, since I do suffer from backpain and I dont ahve enough energy to be in paid chat over 60% of time online. I need some breathtaking moments so I dont mind sitting in freechat winning them over


    With every raise I made more money. It still baffles me.. I am at my highest payout% and payout in general right now since I raised my rates again. I think it also has to do with my raise motivating the hell out of me to please my customers and appreciating them for being willing to spend on me. It makes me wanna spoil them rotten, and I do
    The only point when I made less was at 4.99-6.99 was not a good spot for me. When I made them higher I got more clients again- very weird, but I am not complaining
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    ^^^ I would offer the theory that, much like strip clubs, an 'upscale' market also exists with webcam customers. However, unlike most strip clubs, the same webcam host sites can and do mix 'upscale' and 'cheapskate' customers.

    When a camgirl raises her rates into the 'upscale' area, two possibilities are therefore likely. If that camgirl is capable of offering 'upscale' quality content and services, she'll continue to attract paying 'upscale' customers while driving away 'cheapskate' customers - which in turn is likely to attract even more 'upscale' customers. However, if the camgirl is NOT capable of offering 'upscale' quality content and services, she won't attract / retain 'upscale' customers - and is also likely to drive away 'cheapskate' customers due to the higher price level.

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    Default Re: Do you think your prices affect your average income?

    For me, it's hard to tell, because as SM began to really suck this year, I began to raise my prices. My income is lower than it was this time last year, but I don't think it's due to raising my prices.

    It's worth noting that if you have higher prices and fewer shows, your percentage in paid chat (on SM) will be lower, which could affect placement. I still think it's worth it to appeal to a more upscale customer base and to have more energy to spend on them.
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    i think that ur income and how much ur able to make effect ur earnings i used to be at 1.99 and 2.99 for the longest time and some girls in my chatzy told me i was undervaluing myself and i should try to raise my rates. i raised them to 3.99 and 5.99 and made nothing for two days so i lowered them to 2.99 and 4.99 and im doing better. 10 min at at 1.99 is $7.00 ur cut and 10 at 2.99 is 10.50 ur cut .it made a huge difference for me. im not getting the guys playing 20 questions with me about my shows and the PUSSY NOW as soon as i go into pvt guys. I'm still not exactly where i want to be but I'll get there . I want to work up to $4.49 so i get $1.50 my cut per min so i can get $1 a min my cut after taxes.

    i had low rates because i was trying to make more faster low prices are going to be in the budgets of more people and it was working good for awhile but things started to drop pretty bad as far as traffic to the point that i had to put in so many hours just to make my daily goals but i was pretty scared to raise my rates but when i had like 3 ppl in my chat room telling me i should it gave me the confidence to try . im still making about the same in a day right now at 2.99 then i was at 1.99 and i have been putting in less hours so raising my rates has been helping drastically.

    I have lost a few regs like ivy it happens its just part of the game . think of those guys as pawns in chess theyre only purpose is help you achieve your goal and are disposable . you gotta throw the pawns away to get to the kings. (ur big spenders) i have one (old) reg now in particular that i know comes in every time im on looks at my prices sees im not 1.99 anymore then leaves. i'm a bitch and i dont know if i should ban him because im honestly tired of seeing his name in my room everyday for 30 seconds and having him leave or if i should wait it out and wait for him to give up and realize im not dropping and have him stop comming in on his own or bite the bullet and take me into a show. i tired talking to him today about it but he left to fast i dont think he even heard me try to talk to him before he left -_-

    i think a good way to see how well ur prices are working out is not only is ur paid % but ur paid minutes a day. if ur making more in less time its a pretty good indication ur making about the same minutes in less time if not more but its something good to track too IMO .

    a lot plays into what u can charge : how you carry urslef (hustle) how ur area looks how u look if it all doesn't mess well it could effect things so its a good idea to experiment with one thing and i suggest starting with ur hours then ur hustle and attire then once u have all that down you start can building up regs and raising ur prices more and more

    also my signature from hottie applies to this thread too since the OP mentioned dropping her rates from pressure from viewers its worth a read .
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    You really have to experiment with your prices. I've been experimenting with mine for over 2 years. I've found that keeping myself affordable, but not cheap works best for me. It eases my mind knowing that I'm not over charging for my services, but also that I'm not cheapening myself. I think it's different for each person, and finding that happy medium for you personally takes time and playing around with your rates. If you're not patient and confident you won't get an accurate measurement though...so keep your rates the same for a little while to see what works best for you

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    Not really. Because someone at your price range can still make $1k a week if they stayed on longer or worked multiple sites. It depends on how much one can make in each shift consistently. What is your hourly at those rates? My concern is are they buying more at $5.99 ($2.09) or $1.99 ($0.69) something is telling me you get both but guys probably go for your $1.99 rates. It seems that no matter how much I lower or raise my rates; I tend to average the same weekly. The more I stay on, the more money I tend to make personally. I just raised my rates to $8.99/7.99 and though I make more for doing less in shorter shows, I still have to tough it out and stick around for those guys who can afford me.

    I don't necessarily pay too much attention to my hourly rate because it bounces, however you should get an idea so you know how much you make at your prices. My main concern is my weekly goal. If someone wants $1k a week and is working SM at your rates I'd say you could get there if you put in 30-40 hours per week. Then again, it depends on your looks, your sales pitch, and how many hours you put in and your hourly. You could be making $50 an hour at those prices, I don't know. I certainly believe you should raise your rates as $0.69 per min is probably exhausting you and not giving you the amount you'd prefer but that's entirely up to you.

    My advice concerning men who complain? Fuck them. Those types of guys are more concerned with their finances and not yours. They'd prefer you to be cheap so you can spend longer times in private with them without them paying you much for it. I'm only happy when I make $2.40 or more my cut on bigger sites which means $6.99+ on SM. What's your happy rate? I would stop worrying so much about the guys and worry about yourself. You're the one only getting 35%. The guys who really want to see you and see the VALUE in you WILL pay.




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    Quote Originally Posted by IvyRose View Post
    The only point when I made less was at 4.99-6.99 was not a good spot for me. When I made them higher I got more clients again- very weird, but I am not complaining
    Any theories on why that was not a good spot for you, Ivy? That's about my current SM rates (5.49 and 6.49) I started out at 3.99 and soon went to 4.50 then up to 5.49 recently (with only a dollar more for exclusive but I think I'm going to bump it to $2 more next.) I experienced about the same income at all the rates, my personal fluctuation I think was due to other factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaSylvan View Post
    Any theories on why that was not a good spot for you, Ivy? That's about my current SM rates (5.49 and 6.49) I started out at 3.99 and soon went to 4.50 then up to 5.49 recently (with only a dollar more for exclusive but I think I'm going to bump it to $2 more next.) I experienced about the same income at all the rates, my personal fluctuation I think was due to other factors.
    I think it was because I was"shaking off" all my old regs, I went outside of their spendingcomfortzone and I had to build up a new following. I didnt attract the really big spenders yet (findom/fendom/generous guys) and was just in between (in between custumerbase change and in between pricerange- not low, nbot really high)
    I get quite a lot guys now who just like to spoil me, and get off themselves for spoiling me.. I hear that more often now inside my shows.



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    You prop wont believe it when you see me right now but I was once a hardcore gothic girl, I really didnt liked the blonde glam look... but I had to change it up since I didnt wanted to be recognised and also I wanted to take form of was is -in my vision- most in demand and appealing to a large crowd
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    Quote Originally Posted by kortneykay View Post
    The guys who really want to see you and see the VALUE in you WILL pay.
    The def will, and Kortney you .. and also the brilliant "raise your rates challenge" on here and just the support on sw has helped me seeying and believing in it!
    Thank you for that!

    Makes me think about a time a while back.. I had set my excl price at 19.99 per request for someone who was heavily into findom. he took me on. Afterwards I went into free chat and befdore I could lopg out and change my rate someone took me on excl again, another guy.. He didnt said a word about the price stayed several minutes and logged off. I was shocked to see he took me on at 19.99, just like that... That one occasion makes me dream about 19.99 and just trying it out for th fuck of it but I dont dare too XD. Damn now thats Really high.

    I am really happy about the rates I am at though, not going to scare my awesome guys away by going crazy .. Still it was where dream are made of hahahha
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    Cheapos are gonna try to get you to cut your prices, no matter WHAT your price is at.

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    Thank you guys for all of your advice! I raised my rates to $5.99 and $7.99 just to see what would happen. I will report back if there is any difference.

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    ONLY time I see someone complain about my rates being to high is if I happen to look down in the free chat areas while I am in private.

    None of my regulars have complained. Some wait for that one or two gold shows I might do, but they don't complain.

    What it did do is increase my hourly averages.

    It brought me in more high tippers that I never got before. Now, it is unusual if I don''t get $100 tip once to 5 times in a night.
    I always got more dances at strip clubs that charged $20 a song than I did at $7 clubs. Did less work to get those $20 dances.

    I am convinced men pay girls more money to respect us than those who will to disrespect us. They appreciate the hustle, the work to get there, the reinvestment, the sales job, Then know what it takes to be a success, to get to be at that level.

    Guys looking for a bargain, really are just looking for free. Lowering your price cause you think it will bring you way more volume of sales doesn't work in camming, escorting or strip clubs. Dont get me wrong there are girls who can hustle & bank on that level, but they work much much harder than they need too.

    Guys looking for a bargain really can't afford or just rationalize spending ANY money on cam, escorting and strip clubs. You can charge just a dollar and they will fight you tooth and nail to be either cheaper or FREE. I am NOT Walmart. Giving money to a gold digging whore is crazy to them, no matter how horny they are. They will NEVER find value in YOU. Hence why at a lower price point can be hell for most of us.

    Finding the sweet spot for each girl is the challenge. What one girl gets is NOT the sweet spot for you. Nice to know what other girls charge and make but you can't let it be the determining factor for you in finding the right price point for you.

    Now who ever wants to be paid less for the same job. That goes against all laws, religions and well, everything. Everybody wants a raise, to make more money. Unless life or pursuing other things that make you happier become more important. NEVER at any job do people turn down a raise or bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenVain View Post
    I was just wondering this. I used to make almost $1000 a week, which is really good for me, and I had my prices on SM at $7.99 and $5.99.
    I've since lowered them to $4.99 and $1.99 over the course of six months because people were complaining so much and I'm now barely making anything.
    Do you think that if I raise my prices, I'll make more money?
    Has anyone else had an experience like this?
    Input please!
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    I will NEVER ever be Walmart. - don't want to be cheap in hopes of doing volume, not interested in bargain hunters

    I've been Target - I love target, their customer base has a greater chance of moving up financially. I consider gold shows-my target shoppers

    Currently I'm Dillards

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    ^Feel better, Sam, and I think I can speak for SW when I say that your posts always brighten our days! Whenever I see you posted to a thread, I always know it's going to be worth a read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I will NEVER ever be Walmart. - don't want to be cheap in hopes of doing volume, not interested in bargain hunters

    I've been Target - I love target, their customer base has a greater chance of moving up financially. I consider gold shows-my target shoppers

    Currently I'm Dillards

    Want to be Neiman Marcus

    Ultimate goal is to be CHANEL

    I know that I've been posting a lot today & fucking long ass post. Been down with pneumonia and it sucks. Ya'll have brightened my day.

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    You cannot listen to them at ALL! If you were 50 cents there would be guys complaining that that is to high!.. It really burns me up.. I do listen to them complaining and telling me I am to expensive .. I truly do take their thoughts into consideration.. So the next thing I do when they complain is raise my rates HIGHER!...I am a REBEL!...LOL ..I just did that on CAMS cuz they are some cheap rude bitches these days.. so I figure alright then.. let's see if anyone will pay $7.99 per min on there.. I'll let them have party chat for let's say $5.99 either way I am good.. And if you are really cheap? go to fan club for $3.99 and just SHUT THE FUCK UP!... and if it doesn't work i'll just lower back down to my usual $4.99 PM

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    I usually don't make money unless there are LOTs & Lots of girls on SM. But I am camming on xmas eve. Barely 800 performers. Hardly any traffic in room. Had 2 or 3 guys begging for gold show. Set buy in at $10 for 6 minutes of just boob play and booty shaking. Told them to sell the show for me. LOL They told me to set the limit at $1000. Well, 20 guys did buy in at $10. They did all the selling for me. It was a hoot.

    Get tired of seeing all these girls with cheap shows AND wanted to do the opposite. No video upsells, no anal, no toy for $10 for 6 minutes. Sometimes doing the opposite of others, not flowing with the crowd is a good thing.
    Had guys telling me the buy in next time should be at $50 for 10 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I will NEVER ever be Walmart. - don't want to be cheap in hopes of doing volume, not interested in bargain hunters

    I've been Target - I love target, their customer base has a greater chance of moving up financially. I consider gold shows-my target shoppers

    Currently I'm Dillards

    Want to be Neiman Marcus

    Ultimate goal is to be CHANEL

    I know that I've been posting a lot today & fucking long ass post. Been down with pneumonia and it sucks. Ya'll have brightened my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I usually don't make money unless there are LOTs & Lots of girls on SM. But I am camming on xmas eve. Barely 800 performers. Hardly any traffic in room. Had 2 or 3 guys begging for gold show. Set buy in at $10 for 6 minutes of just boob play and booty shaking. Told them to sell the show for me. LOL They told me to set the limit at $1000. Well, 20 guys did buy in at $10. They did all the selling for me. It was a hoot.

    Get tired of seeing all these girls with cheap shows AND wanted to do the opposite. No video upsells, no anal, no toy for $10 for 6 minutes. Sometimes doing the opposite of others, not flowing with the crowd is a good thing.
    Had guys telling me the buy in next time should be at $50 for 10 minutes.

    Smooches.
    Inspired me Sam!! I did 8 for 4 min. Got my only two gold shows of the night (pvts and excl were hitting hard) But yeah had a record night for me!!

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    You may go beyond cheap and gain enormous volume, but remember: even if you spend 100% camming time in pvt, your mortal body has a certain strength margin and will only let you work this hard and for this long, no matter how much you make per minute. And btw, the low price segment customers are the most demanding (or even abusive) ones so you most probably will be exhausted after a few hours, both physically and emotionally. So actually you won't make effective use of all the paying traffic cheap prices will get you - just because you need rest and your lady parts aren't made of iron.

    From my experience:

    This is my 12-hour shift (a really good one) from 2010, the no-Gold Shows era (I charged 1.29 and 1.49). I was all sore and emotionally burnt out when I got off cam, good thing I only cammed 3 days a week.
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    This is my pretty average 9-hour shift these days (3.99 and 5.99). The difference is obvious. Sure my paid vs free time has decreased but at the end of the day it's money not time in pvt we work for.
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    On cam, you can be unwashed, stinky but with makeup. And guys probably think you smell like roses.

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