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    So I've been camming for a while, but I still feel guilty when I tell guys I'm single. I just always make more money, and I have to go with what pays the bills. It's like the more I tell them about being single the more money they give me. It's so weird, but I feel guilty because the lying aspect of it? I don't know..

    I also have this guy who wants to meet me, know my real name, and wanted my texting number. Of course I gave him a fake real name, and a google number (told him it was google btw) , and told him I could never meet him. He's always been a tip bomber like 10k tokens before on mfc every once in a while so I don't really want to lose him as a tipper. But it's also like dude I've told you I'm never going to meet you for a couple years, so now I just string him along and keep saying I need to get to know him better and MAYBE we could meet, that sort of thing. I just got tired of telling him no. I'm starting to think that he wants the fantasy of meeting up, but doesn't really? Either way I kinda feel bad about him too even though he should know better by now.

    I just need to rekindle my hustling spirit, and stop feeling bad!! I just don't know how..

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    Most of your customers lie to you too. Many "single" guys come to my club, try to hook up with the dancers, spend hours in the champagne room and later admit to having girlfriends or wives and families. Deep down and logically they know that most of us entertainers are NOT single. I mean come on...but they choose to keep coming back and spending their money. Your product is the fantasy that they have a "chance" with a beautiful girl so keep selling it to them. Nothing to feel guilty about. If they were really serious about trying to get a girlfriend, they wouldn't be on cam sites or in clubs.


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    Yeah. Dont forget to separate your "fantasy self" and "real self". U re not lying, just doin your business, simply.
    Honestly, i would feel guilty,if i say something true about myself to them. :* By the way they usually dont care about that. In my experience, some of them need "special care", but it s not you who they care about, only themselves. Doin the same is absolutely fair.

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    They are paying for a fantasy and they have zero care or loyalty to you! Drop that guilt and give them what they are paying you for.


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    Thanks I really needed to hear this. Sometimes I just want to quit mfc and the needy emotional regulars and just start up on streamate and just do privates and focus only on guys with their weiners and wallets out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelixGirl View Post
    Thanks I really needed to hear this. Sometimes I just want to quit mfc and the needy emotional regulars and just start up on streamate and just do privates and focus only on guys with their weiners and wallets out.
    I know how you feel there! This is one of the main reasons I left MFC. In my experience, the guys there are just WAY too needy and spend WAY too little.

    No matter what site you are on though, you'll get clingy pushy customers, you just have to roll with it or cut them off. And don't be afraid to cut them off when they are reaching the expiration date... all regulars have an expiration date and sometimes you just have to drop them and never look back. Some of these guys, while they spend a lot, can be a real emotional drain if you let them. You'll always get new regulars that replace the old ones.
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    You don't owe them any explanation for your personal life, this is a JOB. Not your social life.

    If you waited tables & had a big tipping regular. Would you ever agree to come to his house & serve him dinner? Wouldn't you think he is NUTS.
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    You've got nothing to feel guilty abt as long as you're not deliberately causing them harm.

    Dancers who drug customers in order to rip them off? FKD UP. That's the kind of thing a girl should be feeling guilty over. Not sure what the camgirl equivalent of that would be, but you get the point.

    Your customers aren't there bc they care abt you. They are there bc they want smtg from you. Many of them are also perfectly happy to lie to you in order to get whatever it is they are looking for, whether it's a slimey-but-still-mostly-innocent 'I'm single' when they aren't or 'Let's meet so I can buy you dinner/take you shopping/etc but I PROMISE OH BB I SWEAR no sex!' in the hopes that you'll actually meet them & give them a chance to corner you.

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    FelixGirl,

    Sometimes, customers think because they give an big tip that you owe them something. You should know that it just does not happen to those in the adult industry but also to those in psychic entertainment. Your customer sounds like my first psychic entertainment customer on ebay.com. He brought all of my psychic readings and then after the first reading...demanding my real name, used panties, and phone number. He also sound like my Niteflirt customer demanding to know where my ebony character lived. Their asses just got block and deleted after they paid handsomely. My point is that your customers really do not care about you as an person....so you should not care about their "emotional attachment" towards you. Many of them want to run game on you. Do not allow them to get into your head. Always remember you are just a fantasy seller and he is just an client. Always be loyal to your money first


    Quote Originally Posted by FelixGirl View Post
    So I've been camming for a while, but I still feel guilty when I tell guys I'm single. I just always make more money, and I have to go with what pays the bills. It's like the more I tell them about being single the more money they give me. It's so weird, but I feel guilty because the lying aspect of it? I don't know..

    I also have this guy who wants to meet me, know my real name, and wanted my texting number. Of course I gave him a fake real name, and a google number (told him it was google btw) , and told him I could never meet him. He's always been a tip bomber like 10k tokens before on mfc every once in a while so I don't really want to lose him as a tipper. But it's also like dude I've told you I'm never going to meet you for a couple years, so now I just string him along and keep saying I need to get to know him better and MAYBE we could meet, that sort of thing. I just got tired of telling him no. I'm starting to think that he wants the fantasy of meeting up, but doesn't really? Either way I kinda feel bad about him too even though he should know better by now.

    I just need to rekindle my hustling spirit, and stop feeling bad!! I just don't know how..

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    Why on earth would you think that being single makes more money? Men love it that I am married, I tell them I am looking for a fuck buddy and all is good. They have the fantasy and no commitment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Why on earth would you think that being single makes more money?

    Just guessing here, but it sounds like she tells them that bc it gets her the desired results. I know that in the clubs you will def find a lot of customers that prefer a 'single' girl & will hesitate or even completely shut down from a 'not-single' girl, & vice versa. I wouldn't think it's much different w/ camming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Why on earth would you think that being single makes more money? Men love it that I am married, I tell them I am looking for a fuck buddy and all is good. They have the fantasy and no commitment!
    I agree that, i used to say that i am single, but now i tell that i am in open relationship and my boyfriend adores me so much that he do all i want, even let me fuck with others if i want. And it is working with me.

    Also, if he keep tipping and do not bug you with his phone number, i think he knows that it is a fantasy. And if turns out, that he didn't know, then you always can say:"Oops, i thought it was a fantasy for you, and i made my best to fullfill that!"

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    Things work different for everyone, i think the hustle is different for each situation, for me personally i prefer to be single, even when i was not single i still said i am cause i play the role 'ohh, i am a single mom in need' or 'oh i am single and soo damn horny all the time, did not have real sex for ages, i soo want u' etc etc, they just fantasize about meeting me eventually (i dont meet up or escort) but i let them think i might if they get that much into me.

    Depends also on how old u are, how u portray urself on cam, for example a very young girl can play the innocent girl role that she is soo fragile & needs somebody to look after her, spoil her, she needs help with studies, she is horny & her parents are strict not letting her leave the house to meet boys or she is shy off cam so she gets on cam to have virtual sex; or a mature lady saying she is a lonely wife cause husband is always away with work & she has no sex life so she gets online to get kinky on cam, bla bla bla, soo many stories u can come up with & soo many roles u can play. I have my own i tell everyone & it's working well for me. I feel no guilt cause i care about my well being more than anything else when on cam, they pay for my time & attention, my time is valuable

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelixGirl View Post
    So I've been camming for a while, but I still feel guilty when I tell guys I'm single. I just always make more money, and I have to go with what pays the bills. It's like the more I tell them about being single the more money they give me. It's so weird, but I feel guilty because the lying aspect of it? I don't know..

    I also have this guy who wants to meet me, know my real name, and wanted my texting number. Of course I gave him a fake real name, and a google number (told him it was google btw) , and told him I could never meet him. He's always been a tip bomber like 10k tokens before on mfc every once in a while so I don't really want to lose him as a tipper. But it's also like dude I've told you I'm never going to meet you for a couple years, so now I just string him along and keep saying I need to get to know him better and MAYBE we could meet, that sort of thing. I just got tired of telling him no. I'm starting to think that he wants the fantasy of meeting up, but doesn't really? Either way I kinda feel bad about him too even though he should know better by now.

    I just need to rekindle my hustling spirit, and stop feeling bad!! I just don't know how..
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    ^^^ This is often happening to very young girls, the line between work & personal life is just soo thin when u start up, in time u learn things are just different. I learned this the hard way myself

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    Don't feel bad. Most of these customers are also lying to you.
    Also even if they want to meet you so bad it is only because they want to do you. They will say it's okay even if we had lunch but then they are also thinking of other things.

    Also you have told them you don't want to meet them but they still keep saying that so don't feel bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    This is one of the main reasons I left MFC. In my experience, the guys there are just WAY too needy and spend WAY too little.

    No matter what site you are on though, you'll get clingy pushy customers, you just have to roll with it or cut them off. And don't be afraid to cut them off when they are reaching the expiration date... all regulars have an expiration date and sometimes you just have to drop them and never look back. Some of these guys, while they spend a lot, can be a real emotional drain if you let them. You'll always get new regulars that replace the old ones.
    This!

    And the guys on MFC who damn near have a heart attack if you take a night off...OMG...smh. Lol. Needy and emotional indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    This!

    And the guys on MFC who damn have a heart attack if you take a night off...OMG...smh. Lol. Needy and emotional indeed!
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    Why do you feel like he's just doing you a favor? You're giving some part of yourself so it's an equal exchange. I would drop the guilt and keep on milking that cash because all of these guys have an expiration date.
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    OMG are you kidding me?? These guys are the biggest liars ever!.. I was at TMOBILE trying to get my phone situation straightened out.... got a new phone etc etc.. come home and at 6:30 at nite I am receiving texts from the manager.. what are you doing tonite?? you didn't invite me to dinner.. going on about how he cooks good.. the whole time I am thinking to myself, why is he texting me?? WTF?? so I decided to investigate him.. 27 yr old guy who has a gorgeous g/f.. and probably a kid!.. I think he was trying to fulfill his over 40 fuck a milf fantasy.. because he surely said nothing about his g/f...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous camgirl View Post
    OMG are you kidding me?? These guys are the biggest liars ever!
    Amen! 95% from what they say on cam is bullshit, always! We are 'innocent angels' compared to them believe it or not

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    Whether or not you are married or in a relationship with a man or a woman, your personal life is off limits. You have every right to disclose or keep it private as you chose to do.

    It isn't LYING. It is your persona, your character. When I watch a movie & a character plays a married Dad, I don't search out to see if he is single. Nor do I assume he is lying due to the roll he is playing. You are playing a roll for men's entertainment.

    You are NOT on a dating site seeking out real life dates & lying about personal information. Many of us don't use our real names, doesn't mean we are liars.

    There are many guys who NEVER spend a dime on you who insist on getting your phone number, to meet up, to go on dates, to fuck them. Bet you feel no guilt in telling them no. He is crossing boundaries & being a bully. Do you know his real name? Where he really works? Bet he either doesn't tell you or lied about it. Men do this because they think they can get away with it. A man that pushy scares me that he will be the same in REAL life too.

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    True Dat Sista!.. these guys think we are easy prey.. they have their entire lives set up with women already in it..lol

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    Amen! 95% from what they say on cam is bullshit, always! We are 'innocent angels' compared to them believe it or not

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    By the way, if i recognize, sb try to manipulate me emotionally (lol) i don t feel guilty. I put that person into the "pathetic box" and try to use him, as i wish , if i cannot, i ignore.

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    If men on cam wanted real life hook ups, guess what they would go out into the world & meet people in REAL life.

    They can go to bars, go to the gym, met girls at a bank. Call up a hooker to service their needs.

    They come to cam sites for the fantasy. While that may seem like a lot of money to you, it maybe NOTHING to him but he uses that angle to get over on you. Manipulators often do. Any man who thinks you owe him something by how much he spent on you is a BAD guy. Do you owe a date sex by how much he spent on your dinner? NO If he calls you a scam or con artist it is because he was trying to scam or con you. This is OFTEN text book con artist angle.

    NEVER EVER feel guilt over how much money a man spends on you. What he spends, who he spends it on, how he spends his money is up to HIM.

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