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    Default How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    To me, the hustle is pretty much everything in deciding whether I'm going to dance with a particular dancer or not, but I've noticed lately, that outside of my favored group of 5 or 6 dancers, the general quality of dancers' hustle has seriously declined. Very little creativity, all using the same one or two lines "I haven't seen you here before" when I've been there every week for the last 6 years, and the crowd favorite "What's your name - wanna dance." Am I the only one noticing this? I think I need more SW members at the clubs I go to, the people in this forum appear to have pretty good approaches, Thoughts?

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    As a customer, no differences here. Obviously I have to be attracted first and foremost, but that gets her an invitation to my table, and then her hustle is everything. The club I go to is mostly long-slow-hustle (which is why I picked it), and that hasn't changed at all. Maybe you need to check out other clubs or find some slower shifts?

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    My club is also a slow hustle club, in general. There are sometimes dancers visiting, passing through, etc that seem to be more "Hi, my name is "x", wanna dance?".

    The local dancers all seem to want to spend time with me first, the usual small talk, have a drink etc.
    Sometimes I get impatient and have to ask them for a dance!

    If the dancer is my type, the hustle is not that important, I am there to get dances.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    My experience is that hustle is not as big a factor when there is already a genuine instant interest or vibe going AND the guy is not miserly with their cash. These are my favorite type of customers and happens maybe 10% of the time.

    Other times, my hustle HAS to be on point. Or I could potentially lose money that day/night.

    I never understood the girls who just walk up and say 'hey wanna dance?' But hey, if girls stay doing this it must be working for them.
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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    Honestly... I say the same thing to every guy, "Would you like some company?" and if they let me sit down, they are already sold. The only times I've never sold a dance after being allowed to sit down are with the twats who are genuinely wasting every girl's time and really do not buy dances.

    The only thing I really influence with hustle is whether or not they go to the $20 dance room or stay on the floor at $10, and then it's usually just different via however I phrase it... shy guys get "Let's go in private where you can relax and be more comfortable", party guys get "Let's go have some fun!' and a more aggressive body language/tone, etc.

    However, I agree with you guys on the fast hustle not being very effective; there are girls at my club that do "Hi what's your name? Are you having a good time? Wanna dance?" over and over. BORING.
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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Honestly... I say the same thing to every guy, "Would you like some company?" and if they let me sit down, they are already sold. The only times I've never sold a dance after being allowed to sit down are with the twats who are genuinely wasting every girl's time and really do not buy dances.

    The only thing I really influence with hustle is whether or not they go to the $20 dance room or stay on the floor at $10, and then it's usually just different via however I phrase it... shy guys get "Let's go in private where you can relax and be more comfortable", party guys get "Let's go have some fun!' and a more aggressive body language/tone, etc.

    However, I agree with you guys on the fast hustle not being very effective; there are girls at my club that do "Hi what's your name? Are you having a good time? Wanna dance?" over and over. BORING.
    That's a perfect opener, because it's super friendly, while also giving the guy several outs he could say if he wants to politely decline. Moreover, I think he'd feel more responsible for the decision to say yes to a dance given he has a bit of "buy in" from the start. It's easier to feel you can push back on someone when they started the encounter too aggressively, like a used car dealer (Example from something I heard last year at the table next to us -- "Hey, I didn't ask you to sit here, you plopped down on my lap and started talking..." Both the customer and the stripper parted in frustration)

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    ^ That's why I don't just plop down on laps. I know several girls who do that; if they're not the guys type, they will either get a pity dance (woooo, $10 while missing out on other potential bigger spenders) or they get told no after spending a couple songs with him.

    I'd be curious to know any other guys take on the lap plopping though. It gets to be the "thing" when it's super dead and the girls are getting sharky; everybody is rushing to claim the customer with a free lap, whether he wants them to or not.
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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    I would say I'm pretty direct (while trying not to be rude) when I am not interested in getting a dance. As for the plopping on my lap approach, that is generally not a good idea. Selina you are dead on about the pity dance and missing out on bigger spenders, or some people just enjoying the free show and then saying no once the dancer asks for a dance. My approach is to kindly and quickly tell the dancer that I am not interested in a dance, if I am not interested. Otherwise, I might be missing out on getting a dance from someone I am actually interested in.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    This tries in with the thread I made up the poor quality lately of the hustle for getting more dances or upselling to VIP. The quick hustle right after I got there will not work, that will just get a "No, thank you" from me. I don't feel the need to go off with the first dancer that comes up to me, unless she starts off with a good hustle. I prefer to see who is working that night, and watch the dancers up on the stage to see who interests me. It's how the whole package is presented that will get me, that includes a good opening hustle. Sometimes I have gone off with a dancer just because of her looks, but usually that turned out disappointing. I'm becoming more and more choosy/patient before getting dances or going to the VIP. Just plopping on my lap, or walking up to me and grabbing my crotch and asking for a dance will only lead to the girl getting turned down.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    Not that complicated to understand.

    If a guy randomly makes brief eye contact with you especially if it's from a reasonable distance, then that could be two things: #1 he's interested and wants dance #2 he just randomly made eye contact. It's a 50-50 chance. In those situations just stop by near him and ask if he'd like a dance. Don't be offended if no though since #2 is just as likely, but in terms of using your time effectively doing this makes sense. Takes little time to do.

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    ^ What does that have to do with sales pitch...?

    But thanks for the advice on how to do my job. /sarcasm
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    It doesn't matter at all. At least to me; a girl sells her dances by how she looks rather than how she sounds.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    Introducing yourself is a good opener, asking what brings me out to the club that night, asking if I have already booked a dance, etc., are all the kinds of openers that work for me. Anything that doesn't require a simple Yes or No answer, because 98% of the time it will be No.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    The hustle is obviously very important and usually the major factor for me buying dances.

    But there have been times when I've had a gal just walk by me and I'll approach her and ask to buy a dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    ^ That's why I don't just plop down on laps. I know several girls who do that; if they're not the guys type, they will either get a pity dance (woooo, $10 while missing out on other potential bigger spenders) or they get told no after spending a couple songs with him.

    I'd be curious to know any other guys take on the lap plopping though. It gets to be the "thing" when it's super dead and the girls are getting sharky; everybody is rushing to claim the customer with a free lap, whether he wants them to or not.
    If I'm attracted to the girl I don't mind the plop, and if she has a good personality, it won't hurt her her chances of getting a dance. And if the attraction is there, it can probably speed things along in her getting me ready for some dances.

    If I'm not attracted to the girl, it won't help her get a dance, but I probably wouldn't have gotten a dance anyway. I won't do a pity dance.

    The only time it really bothers me, is if the dancer is not attractive to me, and doesn't take the hints that I'm not interested and won't leave. It's bad for her because she's wasting her time, and annoying to me because it keeps away the dancers I'm interested in.

    However, if the plop is followed by a "wanna dance?", it has the same chance of working as any other "wanna dance" with me: zero.

    The only time wanna dance ever worked on me, was when I first started going to clubs and the dancer was the one of the two or three hottest dancers. It stopped working on me pretty quickly though.

    Overall, I think wanna dance is a poor selling technique. It still works on some, but you are losing many customers that might have gotten dances with a good hustle. Even worse, for some customers like me, that leaves a very bad impression that will be hard to overcome even if you later try a better hustle. I never get a dance from a girl, once she's wanna dance'd me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    ^ That's why I don't just plop down on laps. I know several girls who do that; if they're not the guys type, they will either get a pity dance (woooo, $10 while missing out on other potential bigger spenders) or they get told no after spending a couple songs with him.

    I'd be curious to know any other guys take on the lap plopping though. It gets to be the "thing" when it's super dead and the girls are getting sharky; everybody is rushing to claim the customer with a free lap, whether he wants them to or not.
    Not of fan of lap plopping. There's usually a very good reason that my legs are crossed when you approach, and to pry them open and sit down without an invitation is annoying as hell. If I see you coming and I want a dance, I'll maintain eye contact, smile and give a slight head nod, as well as open up my legs. Can't make my body language any more clear than that.

    It's rare for an opening line, or for that matter, minutes of inane conversation, to convince me to dance. Your body does all the talking I need. If I've lapped you before and you were a less than stellar performer, nothing can convince me to give it a go again, my body type or no.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    I look for three things.
    First, there are certain looks in a dancer that I find sexy.
    Second, a small amount of contact, something that would show affection if it were not part of a commercial relationship, but not overdone. Sitting on my lap is too obvious. I hand on my forearm or lightly on my thigh, a breast gently brushing against my shoulder.
    Third, is the ability to carry a conversation. I'm not that quick at starting a conversation with someone new, so a dancer who can get and keep a conversation going puts me at ease and makes me want to please her. (Which, I know, means spending money on her).

    Now, there is a club near me where most of the dancers introduce themselves with a "handshake." For a short period, this directness and lack of subtlety had its "pull" on me. (Pun intended). But that did not last. I don't go to that club any more, even though it is without a doubt the highest mileage club around. Its not really what I'm looking for in a strip club experience.

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    Default Re: How Important Is The Dancer's Sales Pitch or Hustle In Getting a Dance?

    The hustle is pretty important to me. She's selling a look, but also her personality. I tend to assume that no matter how good a stripper looks or even moves on stage, if she's boring to talk to, she'll be boring to get dances from.

    Unfortunately, I've realized I tend to "friend-zone" strippers with a low key, casual hustle. I really enjoy great, intellectual conversations, but they don't make me open my wallet. Of two equally attractive girls who approach me, one "normal" the other with a slightly over the top sex-kitten persona, I'm much more likely to get a dance from the latter.

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