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    Default friendship hustle

    Its kind of an odd question for the ladies...but how far are you wiling to go on a friendship hustle?

    Sometimes...the guy wants to make a personal connection

    He tells you what he wants....a friend. A business relationship
    Something besides paid dancing. Like unpaid fun (or so he assumes)

    Are unpaid....mutually chosen fun trips ever part of your hustle for cash.

    Not in club 'hey I'm short in my electric ' but making him think you're close in order to grow in club money?

    How far will you take it?

    Are you willing to consider pretending to be a business partner?

    Free times out drinking as ' play'

    I have seen and been played...and curious what the average line is.

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    I get offered a thousand times a night can I take you dinner etc wherever you want to go.

    Its a line - the customer is hustling just as much as the girl.

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    no no I understand that

    my question is if you agree to do something unpaid or you talk to the customer and start building a business together but then sort of stretch out timeline for that or you're going on a trip together unpaid

    How much unpaid or non transactional activity or you in other ways hang out that would indicate to him you share similar interest ,... How far are you willing to do that to grow you in club income

    or do you feel that unpaid personal interaction time is off limits to being part of the hustle?

    one of my closest dancers and I've been wondering but thought friend over the last 2 years has for the first time in 20 years in club made me wonder

    I sold her a house on a rent to own we've been talking about starting several businesses that we put some time into but ....she was always a little bit too busy and I know she's a very busy person but...to follow through as entirely as we had agreed

    we've hung out on many occasions and as the house sale relationship comes to an end

    I feel she's getting more distant and I'm wondering if the whole thing was a friendship hustle

    so I'm trying to get a gauge of the dancer crowd has to what line you have for personal unpaid interaction where is it to where is it too far to string the guy along how much is too much to still be legitimate part of a club or OTC money hustle
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    No-cuz if the trip was the end reward, he'd still be there.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    ?? I don't understand

    the trip in question we each paid our own way

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    ^Oh, so you mean she went on a trip with you in hopes of getting more money out of you in the club?
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    Honestly OP, I had to read your posts here several times If I understand correctly, you're asking how much unpaid OTC activity -- not necessarily including sex but sex may or may not be on the table would we be willing to invest in, in order to increase a customer's spending on us ITC?

    Not trying to poke the hornet's nest here, I am asking w/ total sincerity.

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    I guess I'm trying to get a read from the crowd as to how far you guys take the friendship hustle

    Less so on my situation

    when and to what line is it ok to use V Hey Baby we're friends as leverage for more money and when do you think that you're toying with his feelings and beliefs and trust in a relationship more than its fair I guess it's a question of personal ethics and definitely differs from person to person so I'm trying to sort of get a group read

    I've grown suspicious in my own situation though in word she says we're best pals in words she says were business partners we do hang out together monthly with no expectation of money and in fact when I try to give money itself back in my face

    we've gone on trips together we've talked about doing a bunch of other stuff including starting a business or 2

    most of it is just talk ... She never has tye time (no kids no school anymore)

    also if we were that close we would be in touch more than once every week or two a girl who does 13000 snapchats and snapchats what she's having for dinner ( she snapchats like this when we are together...so i assume its always)...I'd be getting more than the snap shot a week of her puppy

    and yes I said puppy I get nothing sexual from her and no hey baby messages at all which pulls it a little bit away from a club hustle however even the fun dance brother dressing room snaps I see her zip through on her phone are never sent to me which means I'm not in that close friend category


    the reason I want to generic dancer audience read and not necessarily direct answers on my situation is because I'm trying to get a handle on what you guys think the ethical line should be

    it's impossible to know her intentions and certainly impossible to know from this little bit of information

    as I have told her I've been playing this game for longer than she's been alive literally I don't need to be protected from the hustle

    I just am not happy if someone is using a business dream that I havehave. but I think she would be perfect for and that I need a model type with a brain and drive to lead as part of her hustle cu

    someone is using my personal travel goals and pretending to share them and using them as part of her hustle

    if someone is using her hustle because I'm her landlord and she's trying to gain extra money in the club so she has to pay me a lower net amount

    my rule is the Hustle is cool in transactional situations ...in club and paid out of club hustle




    in other situations for me I find the friendship hustle to be unfair and wrong and I'm wondering if that is the consensus among the dances on this board who have great respect for

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    yeah I know it's a confusing question

    to make it simple forgetting sex...not on the table maybe not never has been with this dancer

    I never as a rule go to paid sex

    I mean friendship items ..what is the line where you will use unpaid time in your hustle and where is the line where you feel you are taking too much advantage

    Is hanging out of the casino ok in a hustle or is it only for real friends

    Is maybe going on a trip separate rooms separate everything...is that hustle or real

    Discussing and agreeing to start a real world business...a fair lie to further a hustle?

    Like that...

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    and yes asking her has been done but since I question whether the answers are part of a hustle I question the answers Yes No one of the sports and answer it but yes this board could give me a rule of thumb as to what the audience known as dancers typically think is in bounds or out of bounds on a hustle

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    Well, a lot of girls may disagree w/ me but I have always felt that taking a 'friendship hustle' OTC ( w/ or w/o sexual intent) is getting into a potentially unethical & even dangerous grey area.

    Unethical bc I don't believe in bs'ing a person for your sexual, monetary, social gain (or just for kicks). I'll jerk your chain in good fun but w/ the exception of things relating to my personal safety/privacy, I am not going to outright lie to a customer. For one thing, that's an excellent way to risk the success of the business transaction, once the customer stops trusting you they stop buying from you. But I also know how it feels to be 'ripped off' in more ways than one, & I don't believe in exacting that sort of behaviour on others.

    Potentially dangerous bc, you nvr know how loose of a cannon you might be stringing along, or how severely their shit might flip when it dawns on them that they've been had.

    I can't say how much she's deliberately trying to wring from you vs her just being self-absorbed & taking your favour for granted. I'm not sure I can even form a 'right or wrong' opinion of her behaviour, since your post is naturally one-sided. This is smtg you would have to lvl w/ her abt. Are you concerned abt her keeping up her end of your shared business, or just her attitude toward you in general, or both?

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    for the most part I agree with you

    my concerns are that she hasn't delivered on the promises made related to the business claiming she got too busy no explanation as to what made her too busy fine

    I made small request of her on the business like set up a gmail account and get us a Google Voice number so I can get you's no time for there's no time for that


    all the way to last night she was going on a gift exchange with a customer 830 whatever I texted it to you to make sure she's safe it's 2 p.m. The next day I have not heard back from any of my attempts to snapchat Facebook or text to reach her I know she's acting on those three platforms today but my message isn't important enough to respond to if I'm your pal your business partner here buddy why aren't I getting an answer to a hey hun are you still alive message

    our times together have gotten blown off more often recently than ever before

    when I offer to help her put the floor down in her house that she's buying from me her response was great that can be our date no that's me offering to help you out that's not counting is something fun to do and if we're counting then obviously this isn't the friend thing either way

    and yes because I went through a tough time in my life recently and never once heard a how are you doing hun message from her I started watching her snapchat numbers go up by a hundred or possibly even more that day and I'll get no messages from her so all of these things are making it clear I think what the game is but I wanted a read from the dancers here and I guess everyone else weather what I think we should I'm being played is legitly what is true again I'm not asking so much for response on my personal situation I probably should have offered less of that I'm happy for you are read and how you play the game

    and at the end of the day I really don't care what the answer is if she wants to be customer customer + awesome I'll play that game

    She want to be friends cool no business partners cool business partners cool

    whatever I'm just trying to get a read by using the average how dancers approach it on this board as to what you guys think is fair with in hustle or what might just be legit for someone you consider him my old friend or what might be legit because someone handle their life differently than I ddo

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    I'll say it from the customer side this kind friendship hustle if that's what it is is the worst idea in the world

    because as of now I've lost trust I stop spending

    my only thought of her are of how much it sucks we are not as close as we used to be and how much I'm no longer sure that I can have this person to lead the potentially major company that I wanted her to

    for the company I want someone who knows how to play the game but I also need someone to know the rules of the game and when to stop playing

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    At a point it goes from a simple hustle to a con. A hustle?..OK maybe thats OK, but false sincerity and long tern faking, leading on, etc....that's a con, not a hustle.

    Working it for a little extra money? I can accept that but emotionally damaging hurtful behavior?

    There are reasons besides what you do for a living that make it hard for you ladies to find meaningful relationships. You need to look at the behavior of fellow dancers as part of your loneliness.

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    I think you are putting someone on a pedestal and your expectations are out of line with her current actions.

    Plus you are her strip club customer, her landlord, and now you want to be business partners with someone who is constantly 'unavailable'? .... You're trying to play too many roles and now you are confused.

    And quit snapchating. If you're a business minded guy why are you wasting your time constantly checking her snapchat profile? Just saying I could think of better ways to use time.

    I say go with your gut. save yourself the trouble and spend your energy elsewhere. Seems like you like her so maybe be cordial with her but don't get so emotionally invested especially when someone doesn't seem interested or appreciative
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    I think miss.a.p1600's advice is what I"d follow. I'll just add that from a customer perspective, every one of the handful of times that a club relationship turned into a "real" relationship for me, the stripper pursued the relationship as actively as I did. People who genuinely like each other and want to spend time with each other pursue that and find ways to do so, it's just as true with relationships started in the club as with relationships that are started anywhere else. Every time there were lots of excuses about being busy, no-shows, etc., with me exclusively being the pursuer, it meant the relationship was stripper/customer and not more (maybe stripper/favorite-customer, but customer nonetheless).

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    I agree. Its just a strange one for me since for a long time it was equal...or so it seemed. I don't get fooled often but I guess I am now.

    I am still curious.about the line that most girls draw between hustle and con ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinups4 View Post
    I am still curious.about the line that most girls draw between hustle and con ...
    There are going to be as many opinions/approaches on this subj as there are dancers. I'd file it under 'Life's Unsolvables' & leave it at that. The SC environment is so conducive to breeding predators that there are probably quite a few (both dancers & customers) who don't draw any distinction, & their sole purpose is bleeding their mark dry, financially or otherwise.

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    true I think this is much about me pissed that I was fooled cuz I'm usually better than that oh well better luck next time

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    truth is it's her loss not me marks are always replaceable but the company that she and I conceived of is finally gaining traction we are heading toward possible patent and licensing of the technology she would have been a lot happier as a 50:50 partner when will the 5% residual per contract provides for her now

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    Pinups, there are far too many variables that you are not disclosing to fully understand why she might be pulling away, such as whether she believes the company has as much potential as you do, whether she is feeling like you are getting a little possessive/stalker-ish/creepy, whether she has an SO to spend time with, whether she has other things keeping her occupied, what precisely she promised to do for you, etc., etc. You are trying to get us to opine about generic concepts and then use our responses to categorize your specific situation, but it doesn't really work.

    Now are there girls who will let guys into their personal space, and spend time with them, as another aspect of their hustle? Absolutely, it happens all the time. The biggest problem, as I see it, is that you are trying to dangle business and housing carrots to keep a personal connection on the hook. Net-net you are both playing games. The fact that it is not working out as you had hoped is on you.

    IMHO this is really just another version of what I call the "romance hustle." After all, you really haven't gone through all this trouble in order to make a friend who you can go to the ball game with and have a few brewskies with, have you? I'm sure the fact that she is hot and takes her clothes off for a living has something to do with your intense desire for her "friendship."

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    what drives my desire is when someone makes an agreement that they will accomplish something in a. Of time I spend $10,000 to backup my half of that promise and they back out that's when I start looking for the hustle

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    Oh cut the crap pinups. This was far from some dispassionate business proposition for you, as is all too obvious by all of your posts about needing a connection, traveling and hanging out with her, being close, a personal connection, etc. It is quite obvious that you were using the house and the business to try to get into her heart and her bedroom. You are no innocent victim in all of this. Well, when you decide to play those games with a dancer, especially one as savvy as this one seems to be, caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) dude.

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    Default Re: friendship hustle

    She's "constantly busy" ? Yeah, sounds like she's decided that the return (money) on her investment (time dealing with you OTC) is no longer worth it.

    Personally, I never take anything OTC because it ALWAYS becomes a pain in the ass... as you are now showing yourself to be to this dancer, most likely. Too much grey area, the guy always wants more, yada yada.
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    I'm glad u guys solved this one. Personally I was interested to help, but had to read the posts a few times to understand? Kinda the sentence structure..
    Anyway, good luck, Pinups.


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