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    So I'm open to trying out my hand at being a sensual, happy ending masseuse, and the craigslist ad I replied to later said I have to open to using my mouth as well. Shockingly enough, it doesnt completely freak me out as long as the clientele are screened, disease-free and generous. I go in for an interview and the girl is actually really sweet and we vibe pretty well, and the place sounds like its got an air-tight operation and an extensive screening process for the clientele.
    I'm actually still interested. I already tested my boundaries by being okay with oral work, so I'm ready to just actually see the place and start training for the actual massages.
    When we get to the part about the intimate bits, she says that many (about 60%) of the clientele like to go down on the girls...and Im like, "...uuuuh?" That was a rough one to wrap my head around, but she was realistic about probably being expected to do it (which will probably also means guys sticking fingers or whatever in you). This along with cuddling for whole GFE, the only money I'm guaranteed per client? 80 dollars. The rest are tips that rely on my ~abilities and personality~ that will get better a I cultivate my regulars, and to be honest, I do believe her. But the trick is I can't really negotiate anything once I'm in a room with a client because negotiation is equal to solicitation, so really its 80 dollars for this dude to do whatever the fuck he wants to me that is not intercourse and I just have to *hope* he doesn't just tip me a twenty? YIKES...

    So its kind of a trip, shes making it sound like the agency cares about the girls' safety and comfort very much, but when we are actually with a client, we cant really say "no" or have boundaries or else we might get a bad review on the client message board, which ruins the girl's chances of cultivating the regulars she needs.

    The hours and the environment seem nice, and there is a very low chance of the studio being raided, which makes the gig almost seem worth it. But most FBSM places I read about online use just hands, and thats what I thought I was getting into. Im surprised when I walk from my first interview being told I have to be a naked rag doll that does it all except actually fuck. While I appreciate the honesty on my interviewer's part, Im now kind of freaked out that this is typical for FBSM places around Texas.

    I dunno, I just wanted to rant for a bit, body rub girls please feel free to chime in with what to expect from a spa that doesn't scream RAID ME!! or GIVE ME A DISEASE!!

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    I've not done BR's, but..I hear the spas are likely to get raided, just cause. You're kinda a sitting duck? I think it's better to go on your own, & screen well, of course.


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    In a word, run. Owners of adult businesses never tell you the whole story, if they did, you would never work there. This is the internet age, so believe that whoever is getting these extras will brag all over the place and others like him will know who does what. So will any cops reading. Plus, I used to schedule for indies and massage girls, every single one from your state had at least one bust under her belt by the time they got to our company. From what I was told, in Houston cops are allowed to cum, have full intercourse, do drugs, and STILL bust the girl afterwards. As far as the price, you're not guaranteed anything over that 80 and guys do know that asking for tips=solicitation. They'll take full advantage of that. Investigate busts in the area of similar businesses. What time of year,what location, etc.. Also, if she's always advertising for help and has a high turn over, it's for a reason. Please be careful.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    I do body rubs. That place sounds dodgy as. $80 is way to low. Clients rarely tip regardless of what services you provide. Once they cum they are out ASAP. And reviews - yeah if they even remember your name...

    Letting them do whatever they want - honey you will be fucking them and having oral without condoms. Zero screening and highly risky.

    Be an escort - better money and more safety.

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    Definitely work elsewhere. Having a naked girl rub all over them and a handjob is plenty enough for $80.

    Usually a simple body rub doesn't involve oral contact, try looking for a more legit massage place in your area or escorting if you're comfortable with doing more than just a handjob. I have actually never heard of an owner telling a girl she's expected to do more, I've worked in some FBSM salons where girls were allowed to offer more options if they wanted for more money, but it was at their discretion.

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    What all the other girls said. BTW it is also true Texas vice is pretty farking determined to go get girls.

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    I work in an fbsm spot but it's in a very populated city so i know rates are higher than in a lot of other places. in my area mid to high level parlors charge 180 to 220 for a happy ending rub, with girls getting at least 50% of that. as far as i know extras cost a lot. it sounds really shady that they'd tell you all that over the phone. i'd suggest checking eros and message boards for other places.

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    Are you open to working elsewhere? I think it would be more lucrative and safer to work in a legal brothel in Nevada and have sex using condoms, than it would be to work at the place where you interviewed, and do everything they asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollopink View Post
    So I'm open to trying out my hand at being a sensual, happy ending masseuse, and the craigslist ad I replied to later said I have to open to using my mouth as well. Shockingly enough, it doesnt completely freak me out as long as the clientele are screened, disease-free and generous. I go in for an interview and the girl is actually really sweet and we vibe pretty well, and the place sounds like its got an air-tight operation and an extensive screening process for the clientele.
    I'm actually still interested. I already tested my boundaries by being okay with oral work, so I'm ready to just actually see the place and start training for the actual massages.
    When we get to the part about the intimate bits, she says that many (about 60%) of the clientele like to go down on the girls...and Im like, "...uuuuh?" That was a rough one to wrap my head around, but she was realistic about probably being expected to do it (which will probably also means guys sticking fingers or whatever in you). This along with cuddling for whole GFE, the only money I'm guaranteed per client? 80 dollars. The rest are tips that rely on my ~abilities and personality~ that will get better a I cultivate my regulars, and to be honest, I do believe her. But the trick is I can't really negotiate anything once I'm in a room with a client because negotiation is equal to solicitation, so really its 80 dollars for this dude to do whatever the fuck he wants to me that is not intercourse and I just have to *hope* he doesn't just tip me a twenty? YIKES...

    So its kind of a trip, shes making it sound like the agency cares about the girls' safety and comfort very much, but when we are actually with a client, we cant really say "no" or have boundaries or else we might get a bad review on the client message board, which ruins the girl's chances of cultivating the regulars she needs.

    The hours and the environment seem nice, and there is a very low chance of the studio being raided, which makes the gig almost seem worth it. But most FBSM places I read about online use just hands, and thats what I thought I was getting into. Im surprised when I walk from my first interview being told I have to be a naked rag doll that does it all except actually fuck. While I appreciate the honesty on my interviewer's part, Im now kind of freaked out that this is typical for FBSM places around Texas.

    I dunno, I just wanted to rant for a bit, body rub girls please feel free to chime in with what to expect from a spa that doesn't scream RAID ME!! or GIVE ME A DISEASE!!

    Have another read-thru w/ the bolded parts, OP. I will be very blunt here -- you'd have to be a damn idiot to go along w/ this.

    You're looking at high risk of raids & all of the un-fun-ness that comes along w/ that.

    Unprotected sex acts that you're pretty much forbidden to decline. Paid rape, anyone?

    I would bet all of michele11's legendary earnings from the past yr, that whatever this madame told you abt their 'STI screening process' is either not the entire truth, largely bs, or both. If you're an IC or under-the-table worker at a place like this, how much do you think 'The Company' is going to contribute to your medical bills if you contract smtg, & god forbid that 'smtg' is permanent. You're going to be very hard-pressed to cover those possible medical bills if you're only permitted $80/client.

    This is to say nothing of the potential psychological dmg you're subjecting yourself to by allowing clients to pretty much do anything they want to you. 'Be a rag doll for the client'? Are you fkng serious?? Don't kid yourself, you will be pushed past your comfort if you take this offer, it's all but spelt-out for you from what you described of this interview.

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    Follow up! I never contacted that agency back. It was tempting because I had an image of a day job that wouldn't be as physically taxing as Strip Club shifts, but at the end of the day the obvious sketchiness and my mental health were just way more important. Thank you ladies for making me look the red flags I was trying to convince myself out of seeing.

    well, shortly after I wound up getting hired as a body rub girl at this relaxation spa that is licensed and very professional- they let me use their facilities once the customer has paid the door fee and I discuss the details of the session once they are in the room with me. I actually really liked the setup,and Im sooo glad I didnt jump on that first interview. Everything about the spa is nice, but Im the only BR girl, and I have to hide it from a lot of the vanilla staff. After my first day and 4 clients, I dont think this is for me.
    Out of the 4 customers, 2 brought no extra cash with them into their session with me and had to tip me for the sensual extras with a credit card at the front desk, one only brought in 40 bucks cash, and the last refused to pay for the sensual upsells he had consented to . I was actually instructed not to ask for money upfront, and all four guys walked in ready to be cheap busters. I only walked with 40 dollars cash at the end of the day, when I technically made 260 (including my flat rate of 20$ per booking from the spa).

    Its maddening not being able to talk to a local BR girl and the spa is trying way too hard to look like a legit beauty and relaxation business so the woman who hired me to do this SPECIFICALLY (She was even ready to send me on an outcall???) is even mum and distant about details, even though she knows very well what these men expect from her spa. Im kind of feeling this shit out in the dark and to be honest I don't really like it.
    I feel like I could get better at it, but in this weird hush hush environment and utter cheapskates and no real guidance on any of it, I'd rather bail than see if it gets better.
    I dont even really feel like going back in today. Maybe there are cities where BR is a little more put together, but so far if this is the classy end of the gigs here, then this job may not be for me.

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    So, the other employees don't know sex acts are being performed?
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollopink View Post
    Follow up! I never contacted that agency back. It was tempting because I had an image of a day job that wouldn't be as physically taxing as Strip Club shifts, but at the end of the day the obvious sketchiness and my mental health were just way more important. Thank you ladies for making me look the red flags I was trying to convince myself out of seeing.

    well, shortly after I wound up getting hired as a body rub girl at this relaxation spa that is licensed and very professional- they let me use their facilities once the customer has paid the door fee and I discuss the details of the session once they are in the room with me. I actually really liked the setup,and Im sooo glad I didnt jump on that first interview. Everything about the spa is nice, but Im the only BR girl, and I have to hide it from a lot of the vanilla staff. After my first day and 4 clients, I dont think this is for me.
    Out of the 4 customers, 2 brought no extra cash with them into their session with me and had to tip me for the sensual extras with a credit card at the front desk, one only brought in 40 bucks cash, and the last refused to pay for the sensual upsells he had consented to . I was actually instructed not to ask for money upfront, and all four guys walked in ready to be cheap busters. I only walked with 40 dollars cash at the end of the day, when I technically made 260 (including my flat rate of 20$ per booking from the spa).

    Its maddening not being able to talk to a local BR girl and the spa is trying way too hard to look like a legit beauty and relaxation business so the woman who hired me to do this SPECIFICALLY (She was even ready to send me on an outcall???) is even mum and distant about details, even though she knows very well what these men expect from her spa. Im kind of feeling this shit out in the dark and to be honest I don't really like it.
    I feel like I could get better at it, but in this weird hush hush environment and utter cheapskates and no real guidance on any of it, I'd rather bail than see if it gets better.
    I dont even really feel like going back in today. Maybe there are cities where BR is a little more put together, but so far if this is the classy end of the gigs here, then this job may not be for me.
    $40 is not enough for the type of work you're doing. Definitely charge the customers more to cover your fees and get some profit.

    And no that spa owner is not going to say anything that would incriminate herself. Should any bust/raid go down she can claim ignorance to what you're doing and the responsibility falls on YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetJulia View Post
    So, the other employees don't know sex acts are being performed?
    She said there was one other girl who works there who used t be a body rub girl, but then she got licesned to be a real massage therapist and doesnt do them anymore? I was told she would be there on the day I started but alas, she wasnt. Now I'm wondering why she quit the BR gig if it was so good. Other than that, I have to believe nobody else knows about happy endings.

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    $40 is not enough for the type of work you're doing. Definitely charge the customers more to cover your fees and get some profit.

    And no that spa owner is not going to say anything that would incriminate herself. Should any bust/raid go down she can claim ignorance to what you're doing and the responsibility falls on YOU.
    That has to be whats going on and to be honest I get it. I just think she has a lot of hutzpah to be giving me outcalls on the the first day, but not giving me an indication at all of what these people expect. I DID make more than 40 that day, but the rest of it is going to take 1-2 days to be procesed on credit cards. I only had to do one happy ending, as the rest of the other three men were too cheap to afford more than a naked body rub.

    Either way, this woman's operation is not as classy as she thinks it is... there was only 40 dollars cash between four men who walked into my room KNOWING they wanted sensual services? Now thats what I call a shitshow. Not only that but two of them were repeat customers to the spa? wtf?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollopink View Post
    She said there was one other girl who works there who used t be a body rub girl, but then she got licesned to be a real massage therapist and doesnt do them anymore? I was told she would be there on the day I started but alas, she wasnt. Now I'm wondering why she quit the BR gig if it was so good. Other than that, I have to believe nobody else knows about happy endings.



    That has to be whats going on and to be honest I get it. I just think she has a lot of hutzpah to be giving me outcalls on the the first day, but not giving me an indication at all of what these people expect. I DID make more than 40 that day, but the rest of it is going to take 1-2 days to be procesed on credit cards. I only had to do one happy ending, as the rest of the other three men were too cheap to afford more than a naked body rub.
    That's not really fair to the vanilla staff.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetJulia View Post
    That's not really fair to the vanilla staff.
    I think she advertises the sensual services on different outlets like backpage, and so the men come in specifically asking for it. I'm not sure if the vanilla staff is even aware of it? I mean, it shouldnt intersect if its just her handling every single appointment booking, but she does have another receptionist and I'm not even sure if shes "in" on the code language if these men call.

    At least that sketchy operation I interviewed for was upfront about what was going on, so I dont really have patience for someone who wants to dabble into booking questionable adult work but insists on keeping her hands clean just in case! Like, just stick to hydrofacials, manicures and licensed therapists if that is paying you and your vanilla staff's bills damn.

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    That's obnoxious. I hope nothing happens, but the vanilla people are gonna be beyond pissed if there's a raid. Why not do BR by yourself?
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    The amount of work it would take to screen is just something I'm not willing to do at this time. Plus, my massage skills could use some work, I'll be honest on that one. My looks, body and conversational skills really let me get away with some shit, since my actual technique aint that great lol

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    ^How well do you think whoever you work for is screening, though?
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    If you would like massage tips/insider info you can pm me.

    But payment cash upfront. High price no extra charges. Ie. $250 p/h cash for xxx massage style you create. Give it an authentic legitimate sounding name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollopink View Post
    The amount of work it would take to screen is just something I'm not willing to do at this time. Plus, my massage skills could use some work, I'll be honest on that one. My looks, body and conversational skills really let me get away with some shit, since my actual technique aint that great lol
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    ^How well do you think whoever you work for is screening, though?
    OP you've already seen what cutting corners here gets you. It gets you the kind of crap like the two situations you've described here. SweetJulia is also correct that Spa#2's setup is very unfair to the vanilla staff, as it pretty much puts them in the same pickle that clean dancers are forced into working in a dirty club.

    Really, from what you've described of your experiences so far, it sounds like you might as well toss the 'legit job veneer' of FBSM & just roll as a full-on escort, either independently or w/ an agency if you can't be bothered to take your own security precautions yourself.

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    This spa screams both rape me and RAID lol.Have you thought about going Indy?You could make more money but also have to worry about booking appts, ads posting and whether you'll do in or outcalls.No matter what always remember to set your rules and boundaries,If you are not comfortable doing something don't do it.FBSM does not mean sex,oral,anal or fingering wtf? Now if you decide you are comfortable doing those things then that's you but never let someone tell you what you can & cannot do especially when it's your body.I do fmsb I do not let men do none of the above you mentioned but they are allowed to touch(breasts,butt,no Vjay play @ all)She's playing you if she wants you to do all that for only $80, don't get me wrong some men are generous tippers.But I'd say you might as well either search for another spa, or go Independent,

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    I do sensual massage. And I work with these guys: CallScreen247. Go on their website. I've been working with them for a couple weeks now after quitting with my manager. My manager was taking 40% of the flat rate for the massage. All tips and upsells were mine, but still, 40% adds up. I pay callscreen247 a flat rate of 400 a month. That's 3-4 clients for me. They do all the screening, or whatever you want them to do. I'm pretty satisfied with them so far. I would check it out

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    I'm also a screener/booker and I work for both FBSM and Full service ladies. If you want all the good stuff without worrying about the screening and admin.. shoot me a PM.

    I also can handle advertising, marketing, travel arrangements.... you name it.
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    Definitely hire a booker/screener to do the screening work for you. You should quit the job you are working at now asap! It sounds shady as hell. It does not sound like you are protected by them at all and since you only made $40, it is definitely not worth the risk. I have friends who escort and do FBSM and they all say it is best to work independently. You get to set your own prices and play by your own rules. With the assistance of a booker/screener, you will be much safer and have less stress. The spa you work at now is very dishonest about how they practice their business, you dont want to work for people like that!

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