I have to go soon but I didn't want to leave you unanswered. I assume this is what I missed answering?
1. Have you ever danced yourself, or does your experience in sex work not extend beyond the safety of your computer screen?
I've escorted.
2. Why exactly do you think so many dancers (myself included) complain not only abt the POS customers who assault us at work, but the mgmt & security in the clubs who let it happen or even outright encourage it? Why do we complain of extras girls in other clubs who essentially condition travelling customers to expect sex acts in every club they visit? There are plenty of threads on here discussing these problems but the common denominator is the environment(s) that permit/encourage this behaviour from customers, thus re-inforcing the idea that such behaviour is acceptable, rather than backing up the complaining dancer & kicking them out or calling the police.
If I had to guess, it would be how sex workers are perceived in society and by the people that employ them. Specifically sex workers and not women as a whole.
I also have a third thing that I will PM you to share privately as it is personal to my life experience.
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^^^^ just saw your PM, thnx for the response & I wouldn't want you posting that on a public board eithergotta log in a min as well but will address this response ^^^^ (specifically point 2) later.



oh how stupid that was! it's one thing to order pizza but don't have them on cam since they are not verified on your account and DO NOT answer the door naked! he could have raped her or worse! that was just dangerous on so many levels.





Oh wow. I didn't expect my previous post to get such a response. Probably my fault for not making it clear enough or giving the names, but what I was trying to say is Cutie101 doesn't deserve the backlash. I'm not defending rapists or protecting rape culture, but I'm against personal attacks on those of us who got mislead by it. Why not just explain Cutie doing the things she mentioned was wrong instead of further shaming and picking on her like it was all her own idea rather than what the society made her believe?
Again: I'm not saying rape is right under any circumstances or rapists shouldn't be held responsible for their actions. I mean most people just don't see the line. I'm not denying anyone's right to underss in front of a stranger. I'm saying it's an unsafe and stupid thing to do because of what I already mentioned. The fact that you have the right to invite people in naked without getting assaulted doesn't automatically protect you from assault by people who think coming out naked to a greet a stranger means consent. Given how often the delivery/maintenance man+slutty housewife script is used in porn (the probable reason why the camgirl thought of doing it all), sexual assault would be the first thing to expect.



I'm still just totally stunned that she did that. What she did was wrong and dangerous. How did she know he wasn't a rapist? how would she know if he was sane or not? this leaves me questioning her judgement and wondering if she is sane? sorry but I just wouldn't have the balls to risk something like that. She has brass ones for sure.





I wanted to comment on this cause Sarah makes a good point. I come across this so often in Europe this attitude of "the woman was asking for it" or "what did she expect to happen?" and to see it here in this thread gave me that same old sick feeling in my stomach. It is absolutely disgusting to me that so often men and Women over here think nothing of putting the blame on the women in the situation like men are these mindless sex machines that will just start fucking you! Like you wore a meat suit out into the forest and a bear attacked you. Men are Conscious, intelligent Humans just like women so why are they forgiven for their actions like it was some instinct they have no control over?!?! And isnt that also insulting to men?
Everyone here makes great points about why women are not to blame so I dont need to repeat them but as a female expat in Europe I have been taught that I am asking for it over and over. I had an old man pull the v-neck of my shirt and look down it while trying to grab my tit because I was smiling at him while he talked to me. I was told I was being "too friendly". I had my chest grabbed by a guy at the laundry mat while discussing my keeping a shirt that I found in the dryer. Im told that apparently cause I was speaking of my chest area it was then okay for him to touch it. I had a guy run his hand between my legs at a disco tech when i bent over to pick something up. Was told I should have bent at the knees. I actually have worse experiences then this but they happened while I was working as a dancer or porn star and I dont even want to post them cause I am afraid you will all judge it like, well you deserved it then cause you were naked. I know you probably wouldnt but It is that ingrained in me now.
Makes me so sad to see this all in black and white right now. This thread has become about something so much more then how stupid that girl was.





100% true. 10 years ago I got assaulted but didn't tell anyone because I was convinced it only counted as "legit" rape if the victim screamed for help and fought back (and I "could see this coming" when getting in a car with a man) so my partner would see it as me cheating on him. But even now that I know more about about my rights and what rape is the knowledge doesn't make me safe because it isn't automatically and immediately transmitted to everyone around me - and it's unlikely that a man busy groping my butt will pay any attention to me explaining why doing so is wrong and illegal.
There are MANY people who believe not getting raped is the woman's responsibility and men have no control over themselves when aroused, but the belief doesn't come from each of them being a latent rapist or inherently bad person (once again - I do not share or justify the point of view, but it's damn real and you won't believe how widespread it is). It comes from what their mom, dad and folks at school and in the streets have been telling them and it can and has to be straightened out.
P.S. I find this thread really illustrative from the sociocultural point of view. It shows off the geographical distribution of rape culture and how the things considered outrageous in one country are seen as common in another.



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I didn't read the whole thread, but I have the impression this is all staged? I saw a SM model once, claiming she will open the door to pizza delivery guy naked and that he will come in 20 min, but than she didn't hit goal on GS and started it again and than once again. More than 40 min passed by and he still wasn't there and she was still saying she will "open the door to delivery guy all naked in GS". So I think it was staged.


I respect your opinion, but I agree with JAC, its a cop out. At some point in a persons life, they have a responsibility to educate themselves and stop blaming their shit on other people or 'society'. Rape literally means sexual intercourse or other sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without their consent. I mean, hello?
Also,
This may not be a popular opinion, but I believe most men (people) who do these things KNOW they are wrong but they just dont care because they feel entitled and even get off on the fact that they are taking advantage of a women and will likely get away with it. A rapist KNOWS they are a rapist whether they say it aloud or not. Those men who assault you in the club? They know exactly what they are doing.


Oh and as for the actual video. I am actually in shock. I am always paranoid when I have any male in the house (cable, maintenance etc) and I would never tell them that I am home alone or that no one else lives with me. That is scary as hell, especially because men are pigs anyway( I know, I know, MISANDRY) and you never know who is coming to your house. I hope she was okay after that, she looked pretty rattled and I hope she never does anything like that again.




I don't think it was staged. If it was staged it wouldn't have went so squicky and creepy. If it was a friend or boyfriend that she was willing to get suspended over for tips, why not flirt with him more or give him a blowjob? The tips stopped when it became clear she became really uncomfortable.





I was raised knowing my rights and to never expect a man to rape me but now that I live over here this first comment of your is very true for me. Still Im stubborn and I play by my own rules and choose to expect more from others.
The second comment is bullshit though. It comes because there isnt a strong enough punishment. These men are not held accountable for their actions, they are not shamed for their actions so they know they can get away with it. Men know it is wrong and they are raised to know it is wrong! The laws need to be changed so that men know that one wrong step and we can nail their asses to the wall. I was once told in England that if a guy touched me and I pepper sprayed him I would go to jail for assault with a weapon. Women here dont have the right to defend their person (Unlike in America there is not a self defense law in most countries) and our behavior before the event is admissible as evidence to show that the guilty party is not responsible for his action. Change the law to reflect a woman right!! Its a civil rights issue and nothing more! Luckily this is changing but until the law makers start to make examples of men who rape and punish them accordingly the problem will continue.
^^ This exactly! Time to stop making excuses for these sickos. We need more power to enforce that law. It wont stop them but it slows them down a lot!


Everyone here makes great points about why women are not to blame so I dont need to repeat them but as a female expat in Europe I have been taught that I am asking for it over and over. I had an old man pull the v-neck of my shirt and look down it while trying to grab my tit because I was smiling at him while he talked to me. I was told I was being "too friendly". I had my chest grabbed by a guy at the laundry mat while discussing my keeping a shirt that I found in the dryer. Im told that apparently cause I was speaking of my chest area it was then okay for him to touch it. I had a guy run his hand between my legs at a disco tech when i bent over to pick something up. Was told I should have bent at the knees. I actually have worse experiences then this but they happened while I was working as a dancer or porn star and I dont even want to post them cause I am afraid you will all judge it like, well you deserved it then cause you were naked. I know you probably wouldnt but It is that ingrained in me now.
I am so sorry that that happened to you, you do not in anyway deserve that. That being said, shit like this doesnt happen because they "dont know better", it comes from misogyny. It comes from blatant hatred and disrespect of women. They kniw what they are doing is wrong, but want to justify it by blaming the victim and dubbing themselves as an uneducated man. I dont buy it.





Let me disagree. I'm TERRIBLY ashamed of it, but it wasn't until like 4 years ago that I found out manipulating or pushing someone into having sex with me after they said NO was wrong even though we had had sex before. Like, I was totally unaware of the fact that NO means NO in that context and totally took it as a part of the foreplay because "hey how in the world can it be a real NO if we did it before and you enjoyed it so much". Same about having sex with someone in their sleep without asking them beforehand (even if it's your sexual partner). So I'm speaking from my own experience saying some lack knowledge and maturity to understand what is wrong but can and should be educated about it.


I feel like even if an individual is raised by a bunch of pigs that don't teach them that raping, sexually harassing, or feeling entitled to touch a naked woman is wrong, there's enough out there to do that for them. It's not like any of these men never went to school, have seen the news, or have basically been living under a rock their entire lives. It's pretty much widespread knowledge that it is not okay to ever force yourself upon someone against their will.
"Let me disagree. I'm TERRIBLY ashamed of it now, but it wasn't until like 3 years ago that I found out manipulating or pushing someone into having sex with me after they said NO was wrong even though we have had sex before. Like, I was totally unaware of the fact that NO means NO in that context and totally took it as a part of the foreplay"
^ Not to state the obvious here, but how were you not aware that this was not okay? I don' t mean to attack you, I'm genuinely trying to understand why you were under the impression that No doesn't mean No and that it is acceptable to pressure someone into sex. I get roleplay, or certain types of foreplay that involve safe words ect., but as a general rule?
I don't care if a woman strips down naked, and is about to jump on a guys dick, if she changes her mind at that last second and he doesn't listen, it's rape. She didn't deserve it, she wasn't asking for, she changed her damn mind. Frustrating and a little shitty? You bet, but that still doesn't give any man the right to rape her. So tired of hearing about how someone is a "cock tease", or is "waiting to be raped". Fuck we take our clothes off for money on a webcam, none of us are asking for shit, but to be paid.
The laws in place now for rapists, peeping toms, molesters ect. are not strict enough in my opinion. You can sell drugs and get life, but get out after 5 or 6 years with good behavior for basically destroying a woman's life. I mean let's think about it. Yes the drug dealer is selling illegal substances, allowing for destruction and addiction in people's lives, but the people buying drugs have a CHOICE in the matter. But hey mr. drug dealer, here's a life sentence. On the other hand a rapist, assaults someone in the most personal, intimate way possible, changes the course of that individual's life, inflicts physical and emotional damage, and hey we'll give you 10 years maybe and you can get out in half, and just have to put your name on this little list for the rest of your life. Maybe this is why guys think they can get away with it, not because their mom or dad didn't tell them it was wrong to rape a woman.
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