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    Default Club rules on heavy grinding

    I know that a lot of you dancers don't like doing heavy grinding during dancers and slack off if its enough to possibly make the customer finish.

    I'd like to know what kind of rules does management have for such grinding at the clubs you work at, and to what extent do they enforce it?

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    Slack off?No offense, but dancers aren't prostitutes and having a customer get off isn't a positive, it's usually something we're grossed out by and make fun off.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    thanks, but I'm interested in what club management thinks of it.

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    It depends on the club..there's lots of clubs of course.


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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    Quote Originally Posted by nastylappers View Post
    thanks, but I'm interested in what club management thinks of it.
    Ask your club's mgmt, or check out the local TUSCL reviews for a more solid idea of which clubs are nasty-lapper friendly.

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    Some club management will kick you out for it while others will fleece you for a tip, and then there's the whole spectrum of reactions in between. Depends on the city, the club, the shift, the manager, the dancer, etc., etc. It's not like all club managers worldwide get together and decide on a uniform reaction to jizzing or any other potential situation. I wish I could say that the vast majority of clubs are against grinding customers to completion, but that's not the reality in certain circumstances.

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    Slack off is the very wrong choice of words, my blue little friend. I'm sorry you appear to have spent too much time on TUSCL, but the goal of clubs is not to have a stripper get you off... actually, to the contrary, any stripper that is intentionally trying to do so is "slacking off" in her hustling skills and is taking the lazy way to making a few bucks.

    As far as management liking it or not, I have yet to meet a manager who cares about grinding, since it's hard to draw a line of what counts as "heavy", BUT the minute a dancer puts her hand on dick or allows the customer to touch kitty, customer and dancer will both find themselves escorted out. I work in a clean club and the city laws do not allow that shit anyway.

    If your goal is to get off, and you aren't willing to be satisfied with just dances unless they involve that (which I don't understand, because who WANTS to do that awkward I-just-came-in-my-pants waddle out?), I suggest you put on your big boy pants and call an escort, whose job IS to get you off.
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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    Quote Originally Posted by nastylappers View Post
    I know that a lot of you dancers don't like doing heavy grinding during dancers and slack off if its enough to possibly make the customer finish.

    I'd like to know what kind of rules does management have for such grinding at the clubs you work at, and to what extent do they enforce it?
    If a customer comes, he stops buying dances and drinks, so it is in the club's best interest to not allow that to be a regular occurrence. The goal is to slowly increase the tension while not providing release. This strategy maximizes income for both the club and the dancer.

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    I've never, ever gotten a straight answer out of management about what exactly is and isn't allowed in the club.

    It's infuriating to me. Usually it's the dancer's 'job' to figure out what is and isn't allowed based on an assortment of amorphous feedback: city ordinances, what girls can be seen doing on the floor, what we manage to glimpse of other girls doing in private areas, how bouncers react or don't react to watching the cameras, whether cameras even exist in the club...the list goes on.

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I've never, ever gotten a straight answer out of management about what exactly is and isn't allowed in the club.
    Interesting. Do you think this could be a deliberate strategy by management to keep dancers off balance (pun not intended)? Or is it just the way things happen to "be" in a club?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FasaCorp View Post
    Interesting. Do you think this could be a deliberate strategy by management to keep dancers off balance (pun not intended)? Or is it just the way things happen to "be" in a club?
    It's because the club owners want 0% of the liability that comes with dancers stepping over city ordinance lines, and they want 100% of the profit that results.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    It's infuriating to me. Usually it's the dancer's 'job' to figure out what is and isn't allowed based on an assortment of amorphous feedback: city ordinances, what girls can be seen doing on the floor, what we manage to glimpse of other girls doing in private areas, how bouncers react or don't react to watching the cameras, whether cameras even exist in the club...the list goes on.
    Truth be told, a lot of the dancers that I deal with seem to put "city ordinances" far down that list of worries, especially in areas where LE raids are uncommon. I won't opine as to whether that is wrong or not, but IME it is a reality. I would imagine that this leaves the more law abiding ladies in a pickle, since now they are competing against girls who are less concerned with the local laws than they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I would imagine that this leaves the more law abiding ladies in a pickle, since now they are competing against girls who are less concerned with the local laws than they are.
    Aka Charlie's entire dancing career summed up in a sentence. (Spoiler alert: I beat dem extras bitches erry time and nearly killed myself in the process)

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    At my club we aren't allowed to straddle a guy or if we do it can only be for a few seconds. I've never been told anything about 'grinding rules' though. I've seen SO many dancers just grinding up and down a guys lap so intensely and looking so bored like they're just waiting for him to finish so the dance is over. To me it is so lazy and not attractive at all. Why don't they just whip his dick out and give him a HJ while they're at it? Lap dances are meant to turn a guy on and be sexy using other techniques than actually rubbing up on his dick. I'll second what someone else said in that customers who like that or are looking for that should just see an escort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Truth be told, a lot of the dancers that I deal with seem to put "city ordinances" far down that list of worries, especially in areas where LE raids are uncommon. I won't opine as to whether that is wrong or not, but IME it is a reality. I would imagine that this leaves the more law abiding ladies in a pickle, since now they are competing against girls who are less concerned with the local laws than they are.
    For real. I have anxiety/OCD spectrum issues and for a while, my OCD made me cling onto the notion that 75% of the customers were undercover LE. We have pretty restrictive ordinances (no stage tips into a garter/costume, no contact with any genitals/bum/boobs whatsoever, 1 foot on the floor, etc.). Sooo, I danced strictly according to city ordinances, and my money severely suffered those couple of months, I couldn't get more than 2 songs out of a guy. It's impossible to compete when girls are giving hand jobs over the pants and allowing touching of their bum on the floor, and God knows what else in the VIP rooms.

    Part of it here is that when vice comes, they usually target a) dirty clubs on their radar, b) night shift with more girls, and c) they write civilian tickets with fines, it's not a criminal charge unless you're actually offering sex acts (and then the line is still blurry; one of the top extras girls at my last club got a $4000 fine for extras but she was allowed to keep her license, which means she didn't get any criminal charges).
    So girls at most clubs don't tend to worry too terribly much, because they figure they'd rather eat a possible $300 fine for too much contact than continually make less money because they're trying to dance according to ordinances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tourdefranzia View Post
    if a customer comes, he stops buying dances and drinks, so it is in the club's best interest to not allow that to be a regular occurrence. The goal is to slowly increase the tension while not providing release. This strategy maximizes income for both the club and the dancer.
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    It's so early, and yet I have already caught the scent of a dying thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I've never, ever gotten a straight answer out of management about what exactly is and isn't allowed in the club.

    It's infuriating to me. Usually it's the dancer's 'job' to figure out what is and isn't allowed based on an assortment of amorphous feedback: city ordinances, what girls can be seen doing on the floor, what we manage to glimpse of other girls doing in private areas, how bouncers react or don't react to watching the cameras, whether cameras even exist in the club...the list goes on.
    great answer! all of those could be taken into consideration

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    Default Re: Club rules on heavy grinding

    being vague makes them think they wont be held liable if a dancer goes too far or a customer goes too far.. which is a wrong way to think. management is fully liable for what goes on.

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    I think that in every club I have ever been in, even the cleanest dancer breaks some city ordinances. Some are so ridiculous that if a dancer complied with them, they wouldn't make any money. I've visited some cities where dancers weren't supposed to dance within 6 feet of the customer. It really puts the dancer in a bad situation.

    The clubs look the other way as much as they can get away with, and try to put the risk on the dancer.

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    I'm just a customer, but it seems like management in the clubs near me make it an issue only when they feel LE. I'm near Philly, which I understand is sort of high contact - never been anywhere else to compare it. But when some place gets raided, things get real tight - they move the bouncer at the door to the lap dance area so he can see more, or people walk through to kind of keep an eye out, or girls get fired. These are in the dirtier places Jersey side of the river. The Philly side seems a little less concerned. I don't know that they make it any kind of clear, but it seems to be a feel thing like charlie61 mentioned earlier. Nicer places also seem to try to put the girl in a position to make her own rules and enforce them. Some girls don't let you kiss their neck, some do. Some girls give hand jobs, some don't. Bouncer is there to make sure guy doesn't do what the girl doesn't want - but there seems to be way too much variance in what dancers and bouncers permit for there to be a party line, even in places with better, cleaner reputations. However, heavy grind/liberal contact seems to be the norm here. Anything more, not so much. Again, from outside looking in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I think that in every club I have ever been in, even the cleanest dancer breaks some city ordinances. Some are so ridiculous that if a dancer complied with them, they wouldn't make any money. I've visited some cities where dancers weren't supposed to dance within 6 feet of the customer. It really puts the dancer in a bad situation.

    The clubs look the other way as much as they can get away with, and try to put the risk on the dancer.
    This is so true. When I started I actually gave air dances (!) and followed the local laws and my income increased exponentially when I loosened that up a little (but still stayed clean - dicks belong in pants, and hands belong outside of pants.)

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    Management just says to keep it clean so they can cover their asses. Everyone is pretty much on their own. Ohio was terrible as far as extras, I refuse to compete with people by doing something I'm not comfortable and breaking the law for an extra few hundred. I just wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I did.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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