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    do you owe the girls that take you under their wing and help you out as a newbie tips?
    also, how can you tell the difference between girls that are legit nice and girls that are being nice to get something out of it?

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Has anyone taken you under their wing yet? I would just stay away from them all together for the time being. They know you're new and will prey on you- especially in smaller clubs.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Quote Originally Posted by arielbriel View Post
    Has anyone taken you under their wing yet? I would just stay away from them all together for the time being. They know you're new and will prey on you- especially in smaller clubs.
    No, I still have to audition next week when I get the shoes I need. But I hear that it's popular in most clubs so I'm wondering if I should tip the girls that help me.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Like Ariel said, you'll be best off keeping to yourself at first, until you figure out a bit of of what's what. If a girl shows you smtg like a simple spin or trick on the pole, tip her then (I had this happen a lot) but other than that, be suspicious of any girl who tries right away to be nice. Sm girls will do so, w/ the intention of leading you to do things that can get you in trouble.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    When I started working in Spain a girl took me under her wing. I wasn't completely new but I was new to the club and type of hustle. Honestly I think I have a warm aura or something. People warm to me easily. I am very thankful for her because she definitely helped me to make a lot of money. But I guess the commission that we shared was her payment? lol

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    As other have said it's heaps better to just keep to yourself. If it's a decent club for money earnings the girls should be ignoring you anyway. I've always found clubs with overtly friendly girls usually means its not great for money.

    A useful thing you may want to hear from a dancer is which customers are club furniture so you don't waste time trying to chat them up however you could find that out from bar staff though.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    No you don't owe them tips. Maybe later on down the road get your mentor a small gift to slow your appreciation. (Bday special occasion, etc)
    I never forgot my old mentor.
    Echo what most have said on keeping to yourself though.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I definately had a girl take me under her wing whenever I worked at myrtle beach. If you have good intuition you can usually find those that genuinely want to help and those that are secretly out to get you. I still look up to my old mentor even though I dont work with her anymore, because I wouldnt have been a train wreck without her but she never expected any type of gratuity.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I had a girl who kind of siddid this to me. I was sitting alone when she plops next to me and starts talking about wanting to be friends. It was suspicious off the bat. I was right- she wanted me to buy cocaine from her. She also pressured me for rides often. When she realized i wasnt going to fall for either, our 'friendship' was over.

    So I second those who say be suspicious of women like this. We are strippers, FTMP in it for ourselves. Be wary of those trying to sway you or get too close.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Stick to yourself!

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    SW was my "mentor" for the most part. I have not seen new girls get taken on by vets in any of the clubs I've worked, although I was asked once or twice to do so.

    I would not trust the other girls. I'm not sure where you read that info, but if you're a new girl in a club girls will can get jealous, so it's best to keep to yourself.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Every individual dancer is going to have a different hustle that works for her. If a girl takes you under her wing, what good will that necessarily do you? I mean, it's nice if there are dancers that kind of tell you the rules and stuff to help you get acclimated, but taking you under their wing is another thing. I feel like if a girl takes you under her wing she might be trying to act like she has authority over you, or take credit when you make sales. And you have to ask yourself, why is this girl so adamant on taking me under her wing? How is this helping her sell dances? I mean, a stripper's job is to make money. Vip/dances, stage tips, etc. If a girl wants to take you under her wing I'd question her motives.

    Also, stripping is a job where you should learn from your own experiences. What works for her hustle might not work for yours, and so forth. A lot of trial & error, hands-on learning. Not shadowing another dancer. I don't think you owe them anything. I don't think you should go under another dancer's wing anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starling View Post
    SW was my "mentor"
    This. Especially before I auditioned, I was here for a while learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    This. Especially before I auditioned, I was here for a while learning.
    Same here.

    But I had a fair amount of girls decide I wasn't dressing, doing my makeup, dancing, hustling properly and bestow upon me their wisdom and like hell would I ever give them money for their rudeness.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Generally okay: Vets who point out obvious newbie mistakes. For example, telling you to point your toes during polework, slow your dancing down, that you should get real stripper shoes, and if they're crazy nice, giving you an old outfit if yours is awful.

    Red flags: Being friendly for no reason, trying to micromanage your hustle, giving you advice that seems really counterintuitive, etc.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Don't trust anyone. Not dancers, not customers, and not even the managers sometimes. Be friendly, but keep your guard up and look out for yourself. In my case, I was really surprised when I started dancing because everyone was pretty nice to me (from browsing SW I assumed I'd get dirty looks and stuff :c). But I think it's just good ole Southern hospitality. It's okay to make friends, but it's also okay to keep to yourself. In the end, you're making your own money. It does help to make friends because you can learn things, have someone to hustle groups with, etc, but be suspicious of everyone's motives and don't trust anyone in the club.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    Its sad that you've all had such bad experiences.
    I've had many dancers take me under their wing over the years. I've also helped many dancers over the years; newbies, burning out dancers, those having a rough night. Not everyone is out to get you! It was good to read the positive experiences.

    I also think if dancers genuinely mentored each other (and were willing to be mentored) then a lot of the issues we post about here wouldn't become common culture- stepping on others turf, sitting with custies for free, being shafted out of money etc.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I don't know... I haven't been in the business very long so perhaps I'm missing something, but a lot of girls have given me advice and help without seeming to expect anything in return. One insisted on lending me her skirt the first day at a new club, and left before I got a chance to return it, so I had to leave it with the house mom. Several others have given advice on pole tricks and such, and a few have approached me just to introduce themselves and say things like "it gets easier" or "let me know if you need help." I guess it helps to have good intuition when it comes to deciding who to talk to. It also helps that I'm in a city which isn't terribly competitive (lots of clubs, never enough girls to work in them). Location probably makes a big difference. If you're in a place where it's easy to hit $200 a night, why would girls be asking you for small cash tips anyway?

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I agree with zoezoebelle...not all girls are vultures! I'm never excited to see a new girl walk in, but I have volunteered helpful tips to newbies before. I wouldn't let a girl follow me around or anything, but I would maybe point her in the direction of a really nice customer who would buy a dance from her. I remember how clueless I was my first day and I'll be forever grateful to the veteran dancer who gave me a dance in the dressing room when I asked what a lap dance was, lol! Don't run away from anyone that talks to you, although I would be suspicious of anyone who seemed too eager to be friends right away. I don't think you're really expected to tip any of the girls that help you out, but later on you can point them in the direction of big spenders.

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I agree that you have to be careful but I've learned so much from girls in the past that became my friend. I've learned so much invaluable info in the past. And I got so many jobs, etc from other girls in the past. But because I was open and friendly, I did get burned a lot in the past. But I think I take the risk because I'm friendly, social and I like meeting new people. But if these are just random girls approaching you in the club, I would be very careful. Keep your distance, watch them from afar for a bit. And then make up your mind about them

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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    This is a slippery slope because sometimes another dancer may genuinely care to help you without anything in return but there are dancers who have alterior motives and they only help you to further their own agenda.

    If you feel like someone is a mentor and want to give back maybe do so on their birthday or some holiday.

    I do think it's hard to hustle by yourself sometimes especially in clubs were all the dancers are clicked up like jailbird gang members and you have to choose which clique to join or risk other bitches messing with you/ no one having your back or missing out on money cause cliques have info on top spenders plus there is just power in numbers. But despite the hardships I mostly hustle alone with no mentor except my own experience and intuition.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    I agree with most of the girls here.

    Definitely keep to yourself. Don't try to be "friends" with everyone right off the bat. When I was a brand new newbie, I had older veteran girls trying to be my "friend" and take me under their wing, when really they were trying to get me into some shady shit, like hooking up with their pimp. However, I've also had really nice veteran dancers who would give me helpful tips, like how to style my hair, and actually help me sell dances. It really goes both ways.

    Now that I'm more experienced, not a veteran but not a newbie, I'll give tips to the brand new girls. Like how the club works, which rooms give you the most pay out, etc etc.. But would I take her under my wing and help her sell dances? Probably not unless the guy wants a double. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmaleigh View Post
    Don't trust anyone. Not dancers, not customers, and not even the managers sometimes. Be friendly, but keep your guard up and look out for yourself. In my case, I was really surprised when I started dancing because everyone was pretty nice to me (from browsing SW I assumed I'd get dirty looks and stuff :c). But I think it's just good ole Southern hospitality. It's okay to make friends, but it's also okay to keep to yourself. In the end, you're making your own money. It does help to make friends because you can learn things, have someone to hustle groups with, etc, but be suspicious of everyone's motives and don't trust anyone in the club.
    Yeah everyone on here always says everyone is out to get you but I've always had good experiences with girls I've worked with at every club. I obviously don't trust everyone and not everyone is trying to hold my hand but most of the girls I have met have been reasonably nice people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    Its sad that you've all had such bad experiences.
    I've had many dancers take me under their wing over the years. I've also helped many dancers over the years; newbies, burning out dancers, those having a rough night. Not everyone is out to get you! It was good to read the positive experiences.

    I also think if dancers genuinely mentored each other (and were willing to be mentored) then a lot of the issues we post about here wouldn't become common culture- stepping on others turf, sitting with custies for free, being shafted out of money etc.
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trena View Post
    I'm wondering if I should tip the girls that help me.
    God no. If someone really helps you out and you want to repay them... do so by grabbing them sometime when a customer you're dancing for wants a second girl and call it good.
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    Default Re: do you owe the girls that "take you under their wing?"

    As a newbie I had a girl decide to take me under her wing at a club that was known for offering girl-on-girl shows. It was okay for a couple weekends but ultimately I wasn't comfortable with that level of raunch. She made us money but didn't really teach me anything about hustling. Mostly I kept to myself and tried to apply things that I read on here. Later on I made friends with an older dancer who taught me some stuff about hustling. After a few years I got into an upscale club and made friends with a top earner who truly took me under her wing for a couple months. That really helped me a lot and honestly taught me skills that I'll use for the rest of my stripping career and beyond. I passed on the hustle skills to my best friend when she got into the industry. I'd actually really love to teach a newb or two the ropes, it's even on my big stripper bucket list. It isn't practical at my current club because it's big, competitive, and everyone has an attitude. But maybe someday if I work at a smaller club.

    One major difference between the first woman who took me under her wing and the other two that became my friends, is that the latter two loved to go out after work for food and talk about our hustling efforts that night. I did the same thing when I trained my friend. I think it's much healthier and more helpful than learning from someone who doesn't want to interact with you outside of work, or who micromanages your hustle while you're both working.

    Gotta agree with Desu, if a girl at work is taking the time to help you hustle the best way to return the favor is to invite her for double dances or when you're closing on a customer that has a friend.

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