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    Hey Ladies!

    (Gosh I missed the forum. This trip was so exhausting I'm just glad to be back.)

    In about a month I'm going to a conference and I noticed that one of the panels is called:

    "What Webcam Models expect from their Studios/Cam Sites"


    The funny thing is that most of the panelists are either cam site reps or studio owners.

    So I was wondering if you could help me out with your point of view on the matter and maybe I'd be able to chime in with some real world problems as opposed to what studios or camsites think their models' problems might be.

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatalieCentro View Post
    In about a month I'm going to a conference and I noticed that one of the panels is called:

    "What Webcam Models expect from their Studios/Cam Sites"

    The funny thing is that most of the panelists are either cam site reps or studio owners.
    I'm not surprised by that at all

    in terms of 'real world' problems I think the sites and studios are beginning to encounter one that they're not even all that aware of as of yet, as indicated by the fact that cam chicas (aka, those of us who do the actual work) won't be a salient focus of the upcoming conference.

    They're slow to realize that the power dynamics in camming are shifting, that more and more chicas are realizing that they don't need the sites/studios in the same way they used to, and that individual models are rapidly gaining more power in what used to be very 'top down' one way authority relationships. I posted something similar in the MC thread a few days ago, in the context of comparing sm and MC's approach to engaging with models. (Coles notes: MC provides a model that most other sites and services would benefit from adopting)

    more and more I think sites and studios that don't engage and work with models as equals will find that the perceived value of their sites and services (and in the case of typical virtual studios I use that latter term loosely) will continue to diminish. Right now too many of those 'behind the webcam' still think that without them we have nothing, when in actuality more and more chicas are building our own client bases, our own traffic, and doing really fucking well for ourselves on our own terms, picking and choosing which elements of different sites/services are of use to us, and eschewing those that offer nothing that we can't provide for ourselves.

    In terms of a major issue relating to cam chicas, I'd argue the enforced studio system for non-Western models is a huge problem that costs chicas tons of money they should rightfully be able to keep for themselves. I don't expect that to be a focus of any webcam conference any time soon though, in that no doubt many of the participants there will be heavily invested in the status quo.

    As time goes by I hope non-Western models achieve some of the freedoms western chicas take for granted, since power dynamics are continuing to slide in that direction I would hope this would be achievable at some point.

    a webcam conference without cam chicas. I'd laugh if it wasn't so fucking arrogant.

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    Good model support! The majority treat us like dirt. We are making the money so we shouldn't be treated like trash. Having a support line just for models would be great.

    If you're raping us of 60% or more you should protect us against all chargebacks (looking at you ImLive & Cams)

    As far studios go if you run into Int3netModeling? Slap them. lol seriously. Scumbags.








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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post

    a webcam conference without cam chicas. I'd laugh if it wasn't so fucking arrogant.
    funny shit lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post

    a webcam conference without cam chicas. I'd laugh if it wasn't so fucking arrogant.
    They'll probably be there, just not on the panel... which is funny as hell, yep
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    Models are the single most important part of a cam site. Treat us like partners, and we'll be happy. If you treat us like livestock the site will go down in flames because we'll just go to the sites and services that do cater to us and take down those that are unfair and evil. We are a new generation of knowledgeable, intelligent, tech savvy women who won't take shit. Also, I don't understand why webmasters get more affiliate percentages off OUR work then our own referrals. Give us the highest percentage because we provide the content that everyone needs to sell.
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    How about functioning technology?

    The #1 reason I switched to indy is that most cam sites are fraught with glitches to the point where it was seriously hurting my income. ImLive was my main site for a while and I just sucked it up and dealt with their constant glitches (audio problems, customers getting kicked out of pvt every couple minutes, etc) until I couldn't take it anymore. Streamate is famous for this too, not only for their encoder issues but problems with gold shows, phone, you name it. One time I got out of a private and checked my cammodels link... I could see my stream from when I was in pvt several minutes before, naked, fingering myself in free chat. I know this has happened to other models as well. It's not OK for sites to take 65%+ and then not maintain a working platform.

    Now that I use Skype the only time I have problems is when customers have a bad connection. That's it. No glitch-ridden middle men who are always either unresponsive, dismissive or downright rude. Speaking of which, site support really needs to be nicer to models. I VERY much doubt that any one customer will ever spend as much money as even one halfway successful model will bring to the site so it's really kind of stupid for sites to treat their models badly.

    So, provide a functioning platform, treat your models like people... add good (paying!) traffic and reliable payouts and that would be a pretty great cam site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    Good model support! The majority treat us like dirt. We are making the money so we shouldn't be treated like trash. Having a support line just for models would be great.

    If you're raping us of 60% or more you should protect us against all chargebacks (looking at you ImLive & Cams)
    This, 100%. I would say we also expect the camsite to reinvest enough profit in quality traffic. And keep with the times so when things change your site doesn't go down the tubes (I'm looking at you, iFriends)

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    We'd like our sites to actively pursue more traffic, but please don't attempt to specifically fool the traffic into thinking that we're there for dating or anything else that's completely free. We know that guys get confused easily under certain circumstances, but we can tell when sites have been trying to lure guys in by playing the dating/totally free crap.

    On a similar note, some realistic, informational PR might not hurt. The benefits of doing a live show with a cam girl should be generally more well-known, and more people of all sorts should be aware that we are NOT running around making thousands per week for doing a few tit flashes. We don't like it when the guys think we're rich money-grubbers (findoms excepted), and it's not great when underfunded women think this is their golden ticket.
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    Thanks so much ladies! I made myself a list on the bases of your feedback, looks like this:
    - Treatment as people/equals, fairness of % and therefore responsibilities/what's offered (i.e. Chargebacks covered if the majority of income is taken from the model)
    - Re-working of studio-model relationship for non-Western models. (my add-on - if studios want to make money they need to provide real value, otherwise they're just parasites, would be nice to ask a question about what value each studio thinks they bring, are their models agreeing with the fact that they are bringing this value).
    - Functioning technology, reduction of glitches.
    - Good model support, accessibility, call lines.
    - Quality, paying traffic that isn't tricked into cams by promises of dating or other services.
    - Investment in PR - bringing cams out to the general public as a widespread form of adult online entertainment, much like porn/adult games is already known to everyone, cams are still kinda in the shade.

    Let me know if I missed something important.
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    Better communication with model support. We should have a number to call if there is problem. It sucks that we have to wait 24 plus hours for a response because most sites/studios only communicate with their models is by email.





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    Cam companies let anyone sign up as a studio. They let scammers rip off new performers & then penalize the performer if they want to sign up directly by making them wait 6 months to a year before they can. Cam companies always side with the studio, NO matter what.

    This is WRONG! There should be more hoops & rules for studios to follow, just like we do. Leaving it up to the studios to pay out performers is just to easy for greedy studios NOT to pay performers at ALL. Cam companies continue to let these predators to operate in this industry because we have NO value to either one of them.

    Even though we have a ban or block button, way to many trolls spend all day on the computer hating on performers all day long. We all know they do NOT spend money & run off customers that do. All Cam companies & studios tell us is "TO BE NICE-SMILE-THANK THE GUYS" NO MATTER HOW ABUSIVE THEY ARE TO US. This is a continuation of the lack of value they have in all of us, no matter how much money we make them.

    It is all apart of a system to break us down to accept less & less money. It is predatory, It is WRONG!

    Wake up fuckers, realize with social media & affiliates dying off like crazy we hold more & more power everyday. I have been writing about that for the past 5 years. We have empowered ourselves. We are no longer cut off from information & eachother. We are on to all of ya'll. Today's market is extremely competitive for cam & porn companies, if you as a studio or company doesn't do the right thing & value us, we will all leave for a company that DOES or operate as independents & keep all the money.

    Smell the coffee, your days might be numbered. You will cease to exist like all those major power porn companies in LA did over the past 6 years did. How many shoots does Vivid do monthly? How many new movies does Digital Playground release a month now compared to 4 years ago? Playboy Who?

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    Thanks Sam, as always you're spot on

    So, I'm adding:
    - Recognize the true value of the performer in the new order of things
    - Cam companies need to be more selective with who the studios are and how they operate
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    audritwo, I +1 this one, there needs to be live chat or something to get immediate assistance, regardless of how big they are.
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    Bugless sheets. More than a sheet hanging between one room and the next. Seriously I have seen models talking to each other through the sheets. It must be really tough to get hugeharddick1313 to hold his load when he hears the model a few feet away moaning loudly during her show. Or what a hard on killer when you can her the model next door trying to talk people into coming in.
    And telling models to accept shows that are against the tos just so they can make more money and you can too- for shame!
    That's not even on the top of the list, but everyone already stated the obvious.

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    Camsites should treat their models possibly equal. For example if performer A is allowed to sell panties then performer B should be allowed to do so too, etc.
    They should enforce their own rules (if no pink is allowed then no pink should be allowed), though those rules should be human too (I am thinking about the LJ no drinking on cam rule, which is not nice when you are pounding yourself for 90 mins in the summer heat).
    Free chat should be an option (it can be a good marketing method but it is energy consuming) and not mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuliaX View Post
    Camsites should treat their models possibly equal. For example if performer A is allowed to sell panties then performer B should be allowed to do so too, etc.
    They should enforce their own rules (if no pink is allowed then no pink should be allowed), though those rules should be human too (I am thinking about the LJ no drinking on cam rule, which is not nice when you are pounding yourself for 90 mins in the summer heat).
    Free chat should be an option (it can be a good marketing method but it is energy consuming) and not mandatory.
    I agree with this 100%! I think it is totally unfair that I can get away with bending the rules (if I wanted to). Just because I'm a top earner. (THIS IS A FACT WITH SOME SITES)





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    I had a long spiel, but Sam36g basically covered the core philosophy that must and will change over time. We've taken our own model of service and managed to double our business every three months with zero advertising and zero investment...with no end in sight. We've proven that it works, and beyond any imagination. If you already have religion, there's no sense in hanging out with the sharks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    I had a long spiel, but Sam36g basically covered the core philosophy that must and will change over time. We've taken our own model of service and managed to double our business every three months with zero advertising and zero investment...with no end in sight. We've proven that it works, and beyond any imagination. If you already have religion, there's no sense in hanging out with the sharks.
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    Protection from chargebacks and abusive viewers (e.g only the ones who purchased a show from the model are allowed to leave feedback and there's permanent ban instead of time-out). Support and producers who would be useful and constructive instead of acting like slave-drivers and deciding in members' favor no matter what.

    UPD: also, the sites should keep their requirements adequate to what they have to offer. If you (not pointing my finger but I mean LiveJasmin lol) demand that I have only professional photos on my profile and make over my room, you make it worth it for me. I'm not doing it if all I'm getting is 26% of 1.99 per minute minus chargebacks, especially when I'm obliged to entertain blatant freeloaders so they don't spoil my rating.
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