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    On Feb. 26, the FCC will vote on new Net Neutrality rules on Title II of the Communications Act. This will greatly impact net neutrality, whether it passes or not. The internet has been under threat for many years now, and I am getting sick of this shit. It's time to defend a free and open internet!!!

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    ^^^ All I will mention is that the proposed new FCC 'net neutrality' regulations could in fact have some negative future impact on camming / camgirls. For example ...

    - rigid 'net neutrality', in combination with a lack of future backbone infrastructure investment by the AT&T's, Verizons and Comcasts, could guarantee that websites run by amazon, Netflix, adult webcam hosts etc. ALL might be equally unable to successfully stream real time HD video in the future.

    - having retail ISP's declared to be 'public utilities' could lead to monthly bandwidth caps and / or upload and download speed limits on 'consumer' class ISP service. Higher bandwidth caps and / or upload and download speeds would be available under a 'premium' class of ISP service ( like 'business' class ), at a higher gov't approved monthly cost. This could be problematic for future webcam customers who don't want to try to explain to wives / family why they need 'business class' service.

    Put another way, it's probably worth checking the 'fine print' where the FCC's proposed regulations, and their intended and unintended consequences, are concerned !!!

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    I still encourage everyone to contact your representative, sign a petition, spread the link to everyone you know, etc. It only takes a few moments, and it is worth it. We have to keep putting pressure on these bastards!
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    Again, there are a lot of issues involved with the proposed FCC 'net neutrality' rule changes than so-called 'internet freedom'. And some of those proposed rule changes could have potential adverse affects on camgirls, webcam customers, and/or webcam hosts. Do your own 'due diligence' !!!

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    Default Re: SAVE the internet!!!

    i do think internet freedom is the biggest deal in this instance though, this is some real 1984 shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Again, there are a lot of issues involved with the proposed FCC 'net neutrality' rule changes than so-called 'internet freedom'. And some of those proposed rule changes could have potential adverse affects on camgirls, webcam customers, and/or webcam hosts. Do your own 'due diligence' !!!
    I just don't know..in this business it's not a formal process, but an ambiguous obligation. All so confusing where to begin to do just that exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Again, there are a lot of issues involved with the proposed FCC 'net neutrality' rule changes than so-called 'internet freedom'. And some of those proposed rule changes could have potential adverse affects on camgirls, webcam customers, and/or webcam hosts. Do your own 'due diligence' !!!
    Yep. I will definitely be keeping tabs on this. It's hard to trust anyone making the decisions, because it's usually always about money and consolidation of power. And I am particularly worried about how this will impact the cam industry, going either way. The people should NOT be willing to settle for any bill that threatens our basic freedoms, including the right to express ourselves freely, the right to openly communicate without censorship, and the right to conduct business online without restraint, so long as that business is legal and does not break any laws. Also, information should be free and available, as it always has on the internet and in libraries. It should also not be hindered by greed from the government, the ISP's, or anyone else wishing to place more financial restraint upon websites and widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots even further.
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    ^^^ While not wishing to delve into the 'political' aspects you raise in any way shape or form, it would seem that the main concern to US camgirls may actually stem from the following ...


    (snip)"the duo [ Federal Communications Commission member Ajit Pai and Federal Election Commission member Lee Goodman - sic ] wrote Monday that heavy-handed FCC regulations like those imposed in Europe will significantly slow down Internet speech.

    “These Internet regulations will deter broadband deployment, depress network investment and slow broadband speeds. How do we know? Compare Europe, which has long had utility-style regulations, with the United States, which has embraced a light-touch regulatory model. Broadband speeds in the United States, both wired and wireless, are significantly faster than those in Europe. Broadband investment in the United States is several multiples that of Europe. And broadband’s reach is much wider in the United States, despite its much lower population density,” the two wrote.(snip)


    ... or put another way, effective camming is dependent on the ability of a US camgirl, webcam host, and webcam customer, to achieve internet speeds sufficient for 'glitch-free' video streaming. While this is possible in most US locations today, it may not remain so in the future if new 'net neutrality' related regulations discourage new investment in internet backbone infrastructure while the overall level of internet bandwidth usage continues to grow.

    At any rate, the FCC vote is still due later this week ( although some requests for a delay are now on the table ), and we apparently will not be able to find out exactly what the FCC proposal contains until after the vote has already been taken thus the new US internet regulations already being put into effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    i do think internet freedom is the biggest deal in this instance though, this is some real 1984 shit
    Unfortunately the government is spying on us online. I know people who have gotten banned from Facebook for posting anti Obama comments. Not talking threat, talking things like horrible he is as president, in other words, opinions. It's both parties. Freedom of speech is guaranteed in the Constitution and people try to take it away.

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    What has been made better by federal regulation?

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    again, avoiding all political aspects of this, the FCC voted this afternoon in favor of treating the US internet as a 'public utility' similar to phone companies, cable companies etc. ... thus making it directly subject to FCC regulation for the first time ( more or less ). However, we still don't know exactly what form the new regulations will take, since the FCC hasn't yet released to the public the 322 pages worth of new regulations they just approved.

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    I think before I jump on either bandwagon I'll read the new regulations. Too many people jumping to conclusions without knowing what the regulations actually say. My bet, there is both good and bad in it that will prove everybody right depending on how you look at it.

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    ^^^ yup, the only things known for certain at this point is that the FCC now has the authority to levee new taxes and fees on internet service ... that long, expensive lawsuits will be brought ( which will ultimately favor the deep pocket companies who can afford the hefty legal costs ) ... and that additional investment in internet backbone infrastructure will slow to a trickle while the new FCC regulations and court cases challenging those new regulations work their way through the 'system'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    What has been made better by federal regulation?
    Drinking water, food, the air we breathe, automobiles, air travel, just to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ yup, the only things known for certain at this point is that the FCC now has the authority to levee new taxes and fees on internet service ... that long, expensive lawsuits will be brought ( which will ultimately favor the deep pocket companies who can afford the hefty legal costs ) ... and that additional investment in internet backbone infrastructure will slow to a trickle while the new FCC regulations and court cases challenging those new regulations work their way through the 'system'.
    Investment in internet infrastructure is already slow, thanks to the fact that in many places there is very little competition for high-speed internet service, so ISP's don't have much incentive to invest in infrastructure. Chattanooga, Tenn. solved this problem by building their own high-speed internet, and now they have the fastest internet in the country.

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/tech...ooga-internet/

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    ^^^ true enough, but a bit of a 'red herring'. There aren't any adult webcam hosts with servers in Chattanooga. Thus any camgirls and webcam customers living in Chattanooga are still 100% dependent on the internet backbone providers to provide sufficient bandwidth for them to actually achieve real time video streaming without glitches. Or put another way, having a 'last mile' ISP with lightning fast speeds only provides overall lightning fast speeds if the source, the servers, and the consumer are all located within that ISP's territory. If any 'piece' is located in another city / state / country, then overall speed is only as fast as the slowest 'link' along the way. This is the difference between Chatanooga's local system and, say, Verizon, which links different cities and states via backbone as well as serving 'last mile' customers in individual cities.

    To put it yet another way, admittedly greatly oversimplified, the FCC's ruling arguably mandates that Verizon must treat internet data originating from servers in New York for delivery to municipal system internet customers in Chattanooga in the same way as internet data originating from servers in New York for delivery to Verizon 'last mile' customers in Nashville. Verizon's investors are obviously concerned that the 'east coast' internet backbone section which they exclusively paid for must now be shared with others like the municipal Chattanooga system 'for free'. Verizon can recoup some of that investment from its own customers in Nashville, but not from municipal Chattanooga customers. Thus Verizon's shareholders are going to be extremely reluctant to invest additional money into additional internet backbone capacity.

    If those internet backbone providers don't invest in additional capacity, and if every bit of data must be treated equally under 'net neutrality', then each new website and each new internet user will wind up lowering internet backbone speeds for all. Thus without additional internet backbone investment, the point will eventually come where real time HD internet video streaming will no longer be possible for anybody during peak traffic hours. Following on the above example, this eventually means that neither Verizon's Nashville customers nor municipal Chattanooga customers will be able to stream glitch free video originating from the server in New York durng peak traffic hours.

    Indeed you are also correct that US internet investment has been slowed of late ... arguably because the US courts, the FCC, and the 'deep pocket' US internet backbone providers' lawyers, have created increasing 'uncertainty' in the business model over the past few years. This week's FCC ruling significantly increases the degree of future 'uncertainty'.
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    There is no 'for free'

    they just cannot charge more to some.

    they do in fact get paid

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    ^^^ thus my comment about my example being greatly oversimplified and 'for free' being in quotes.

    Yes the internet backbone providers get paid 'something'. Whether or not that 'something' is sufficient to defray the actual costs incurred / created, relative to the amount of internet backbone capacity being consumed ( and the amount of internet backbone investment that needs to be recovered ), is another story. That other story has already been the basis for several lawsuits, and will undoubtedly become the basis for many future lawsuits as well. And in the meantime, internet backbone capacity improvements come to a halt and everyone's internet speeds gradually get slower.

    I've been trying to avoid any and all references to news reports and commentary regarding the potential future effects of the FCC ruling ... because so much is still officially unknown, and because so much of the reporting and commentary has been politically slanted. However, CNET has just come out with a fairly non-political summary piece ( at ) which states the following ...


    (snip)They won't improve your Friday night Netflix viewing

    The Internet is what's considered a best-effort network. This means that once data is chopped into packets of information for transmission across the network, all those packets have to jockey for access on that network. Think of the Internet as a highway. And the packets of data carrying the latest episode of "House of Cards" are the cars.

    These packets are traveling on the same highway as your neighbor's Google searches and Instagram uploads. If everyone is using the network or highway at the same time, your "House of Cards" packets could get stuck in a traffic jam. And the episode you're trying to stream will freeze and buffer.

    There are two possible solutions to this problem: your broadband provider can build a bigger highway with more lanes to alleviate traffic jams during peak times, or it could create the equivalent of an HOV lane to let some traffic get priority access to move through the congestion more quickly.

    The public and many Internet companies rejected this idea of creating so-called "fast lanes," arguing it would only intensify the congestion for the rest of the services using the other lanes on the Internet. The FCC's Wheeler said he heard these concerns during the open comment period on his original Net neutrality proposal. As a result, the new rules explicitly forbid broadband providers from offering priority service. This means your streaming video from Netflix will still travel on the same highway as your neighbor's Google content.

    But at the same time, the rules also don't require broadband providers to build more lanes to accommodate more traffic.

    What does this mean for you? During peak times of day, your broadband connection may still experience some congestion. What's more, because the Internet is a series of networks (or roads), the packets of video that make up your streaming episode of "House of Cards" could hit traffic jams anywhere along their journey. So your Netflix video could still be delayed due to a traffic jam, even if your local broadband network is congestion-free.

    The new rules did extend the FCC's authority to help settle disputes between network operators that must interconnect with each other to deliver content, like streaming video. But there's nothing in the rules that requires broadband providers to add infrastructure to handle larger volumes of traffic.

    The bottom line: Consumers are still likely to experience buffering and other hiccups when accessing delay-sensitive applications, like Netflix or Skype, during peak periods.(snip)


    Obviously, US camgirls attempting to stream HD video to paying customers via adult webcam hosts will find themselves in a similar situation to Netflix i.e. paying customers who are expecting hiccup-free video streaming are likely to become very unhappy former customers if and when they can no longer receive the hiccup-free video streaming they have paid for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    What has been made better by federal regulation?
    Every single thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Drinking water, food, the air we breathe, automobiles, air travel, just to name a few.
    LMFAO! This is a joke, right? Everything you listed is wrong.


    Melonie, that article you linked to doesn't give me much hope for the future of the internet.
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    It's a fact that the quality of the air, water, and food was much worse in this country before government regulations, than it is today. It's also a fact that the quality of air, water, and food in the US is much higher than in countries such as China, where they don't have the regulations we do. Here's a photo of what a city without government regulations to control pollution looks like. This is Beijing:



    This will be my last comment on the subject, since this is starting to become politicized.

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    Sometimes regulation is better but do those who are saying regulation honestly believe the government is always right? The government is not your friend and nope the government intruding via the internet is bad. Censorship is already happening online.

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    This is not going to be an easy issue to resolve. The internet, more specifically all of protocols that make it work and the infrastructure are a U.S. invention. If that isn't sticky enough for you, it is not just a U.S. invention, but a U.S. Government invention. When you visit a website or send an email everything that makes it work is defined by this design.

    How commercial companies will handle this responsibility is really difficult to say. Would XYZ Gobal Corp. make me watch an Advertisement before I can go to a web address? Will my ISP sell my information?

    The internet has evolved, and it is not easy to understand gray marketing that makes it work. How is a company like Google or Facebook worth so much money? Because they can sell metrics, data and provide APIs that advertisers can use to sell ad space. Search Engine Optimization is just one of many niche and very profitable businesses that have been born out of this.

    There is obvious incentive from folks outside the States who aren't happy with one country controlling the entire thing at the highest level. The promise of deregulation is that consumers will make a choice and the best company will win, true Capitalism. This is not how these things ever work in reality. What really happens for most of the world is you use the cheapest provider that is actually available in your area and deal with their bullshit and terrible policies.

    You also can't just divide up the critical pieces of the internet and give them to other countries to make it fair. Any country not selected will feel jilted and the truth is you just don't need 100 different providers.

    As unhappy as it makes non-Americans, the easiest thing for everyone would be for the U.S. to remain the authority. There has never been any evidence that the established authorities have acted in any way other than completely impartial and that is the only way the marvel of the internet can really work. The U.S. could block porn, hacking, scams, hate groups etc. and really put the screws to anyone that is doing something "we" don't like. However, "we" don't, and there is some truly terrible shit on the internet in addition to some really wonderful stuff. I defy any corporation to be that impartial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invibe View Post
    As unhappy as it makes non-Americans, the easiest thing for everyone would be for the U.S. to remain the authority.
    I can't help but shake my head at this statement. It is ridiculous. "Murica! Fuck yeah!" *rolls my eyes*


    This thread is becoming too political at this point. Let's all just hope things turn out for the best. And if not, it's "Occupy FCC" time.

    I think the only network I have faith in though is the mycelium network. That is the true internet. At least the FCC can't touch that.
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    My ideological leanings normally line up with Melonie's, but on this issue I am torn. In most areas here in the states, wired high speed Internet is either a monopoly or a duopoly. In my area, it is a monopoly, with one cable provider offering it. I find the thought of that provider deciding what I can receive, at what speeds, to be chilling. I also have wireless modem service for my business, but the data caps are so quickly triggered as to make it either unusable or obscenely expensive for things like streaming video. So the cable company has me by the short hairs and it will likely be many years before that changes.

    I hate to say it like this, but IMHO under no circumstances should my Internet provider retain the power to decide what I can and cannot see or use. This was not the deal that we originally signed up for and it stinks of an abuse of monopoly power.

    I keep hearing these stories about the FCC ruling creating a disincentive for investment, but if the networks are already so strained, why hasn't more investment already occurred? The answer is that monopoly power already creates a disincentive, since they know that we have limited alternatives if they have to throttle data for network management or other reasons. Anyone who ever experienced an Internet provider like Charter Communications, which got so bad during the months leading up to its bankruptcy in 2009 that its Internet service was unusable for all but basic applications, understands all too well what it's like to be stuck with one monopoly provider that continues to suck revenue from customers without upgrading its network.

    As a customer of another cable provider now, I have also experienced the joys of throttling. Near the end of each billing cycle, my home Internet performance has been reducing dramatically. I am certain that I am being throttled when I hit certain data limits, despite the fact that I am also certainly well below published limits. I cannot begin to describe my frustration levels when this happened each month, especially since I often work out of my home office when I am not in my headquarter office. In fact, it was happening for a few days leading up to the day that the FCC ruling was being considered. And guess what? My Internet service kicked back into full gear the very same day that the vote passed. Now yes, the bill does not stop providers from throttling when agreed upon limits are met, but it DOES prevent them from doing so beforehand.

    Anyway, things were bad and getting worse, at least from my standpoint. I wish that the FCC did not have to name them as a public utility, which could have many adverse consequences down the road, but I am sure glad that providers were stopped in their tracks from doing things like throttling and making delivery decisions about content.

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