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    I want to start saving for a house so I'm going to be depositng my income into the bank. I'm worried that my bank account my get flagged for all the cash deposits (especially if some of them are high for working a great weekend). I'm going to be paying taxes on my income but I hear horror stories too about accounts getting seized. Any advice?

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    Get a PO Box/ safe deposit box. Your cash will be uninsured in the case of a natural disaster, and it will not gather interest, but if you want a safe place to keep your cash and you don't care about those things, that will work. Personally, I have a set amount in one bank account for bills, and a separate bank account for savings.

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    I need it to be in the bank for when I go to buy a house. I'm just scared of suspicious acitivity.

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    If you are paying in quarterly it shouldn't be an issue. Its when you make large cash deposits, but don't show a source for that cash.

    The IRS is looking for tax cheats, if you are submitting quarterly payments and note hiding income, it is in their best interest to leave you alone. This is not to say some dumb ass agent won't flag you, but its a waste of their time and resources to do so v

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    Make deposits every day/night you work. File your quarterly estimates and make your quarterly payments. No problems. The service wants to see you reporting. It's those who don't report that have a problem. Further, if you make daily deposits, the service will be much more inclined to accept your records. Good businesses make daily deposits if they get payments in cash or checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sessik86 View Post
    I want to start saving for a house so I'm going to be depositng my income into the bank. I'm worried that my bank account my get flagged for all the cash deposits (especially if some of them are high for working a great weekend). I'm going to be paying taxes on my income but I hear horror stories too about accounts getting seized. Any advice?
    The US Attorney General recently stopped this practice, where government was seizing stuff from innocent people.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-...-police-2015-1

    I posted a thread on this topic earlier.

    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...-000-at-a-time

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    ^^^ while this will supposedly stop the IRS from seizing bank account balances and other assets based on mere 'suspicion', it does nothing to reduce the obligation of bank personnel to report large cash transactions and/ or a pattern of smaller cash transactions to the IRS in the first place.

    As Uncle Fuzzy and Zofia pointed out, the real key to avoiding potential problems is to operate your 'business' in a professional manner ... keep daily records of earnings and bank deposits, maintain a 'business' bank account which does not co-mingle personal funds, file and pay quarterly estimated taxes, etc. Since our business seldom provides for 100% 3rd party documentation of income, it is extremely important that the IRS consider the resulting self-generated business records to be 'credible'.


    I need it to be in the bank for when I go to buy a house. I'm just scared of suspicious acitivity.
    When you apply for mortgage financing, and attempt to use money in the bank for the down payment, the bank is now required to investigate the 'history' of that money. The stated purpose is to prevent the use of money borrowed from another source as if it were an unencumbered asset actually creating equity. However, this means that the bank will want to see past year tax returns etc. to 'explain' where that money came from in the first place.

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    I'd lean toward a well concealed safe at your house. My former bank bothered me all the time b/c of my cash deposits. It got pretty annoying. You can spread it over several accounts as Melonie suggested. Keep in mind though you will have to furnish those records to the IRS if you come up for an audit.

    edit to add- can you find a relative who is willing to "gift" you money to get that mortgage when you are ready to do so...that might be the much better plan.

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    Banks are required to report things to the IRS because there are regulations looking for Money Launders. Money launders are people who have illegal income drug dealers, prostitues in some states, terrorists, etc. Large cash deposits may get a report sent to the IRS. THAT IS ALL THAT HAPPENS. It may flag an aduit by the IRS.

    If you are paying taxes and made your money by legal work you really have nothing to worry about. Worse case scenerio is the bank will ask you to close account and take your business else where.

    If your goal is to get a mortgage, the worse thing you can do is hide money in a safe box or safe. It makes it harder to verify. I agree with Melonie and Zofia, if you are making daily or weekly deposits there is a paper trail from the statements to verify that you earned that money that day. If all of the sudden you have 50k with no paper trail it is harder to verify that you earned that money and when. Every mortgage application now requires at least 2 year tax returns. If you have bad credit they will go back further.

    The WORST thing you can do at a bank is get pissed off when they ask you questions about your cash deposits. Tellers are required to ask questions. It is not personal to you or to the fact you are stripper. In the old days when I was a teller I had to ask the wife of a CEO the same questions about her cash deposits as I did the "waitresses". So have a story about where the money came from before you go in. Get to know tellers. Keep it light and happy. After a few times they will stop asking.

    A great resource is searching Dollar den using the search feature. There have been other threads about this topic with other points we might have missed.
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    I made a few large deposits when I was out of town last. It was a place I've never been. The lady said it's nice you have all cash huh. I just said yes. Then she said i was a P.P member and I should take care of their benefits, blah , blah. I'm glad she didn't ask any thing else. One lady asked if I was a traveling nurse? I didn't know they got paid in cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ...As Uncle Fuzzy and Zofia pointed out, the real key to avoiding potential problems is to operate your 'business' in a professional manner ... keep daily records of earnings and bank deposits, maintain a 'business' bank account which does not co-mingle personal funds, [emphasis added] file and pay quarterly estimated taxes, etc. Since our business seldom provides for 100% 3rd party documentation of income, it is extremely important that the IRS consider the resulting self-generated business records to be 'credible'....
    Melonie makes an excellent point. Your business should be conducted in a professional manner. That means having a separate business bank account. Your daily deposits are an excellent way to verify your gross sales. Paying ordinary and necessary expenses out of the business account is helpful to establish the professionalism of your business.

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    Not to mention, as with any legal business, expenses related to sales are deductible. Uniforms, equipment, and in some cases mileage on your vehicle.

    If you really want to be safe, contact a CPA, or get some small business how-to books.

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    The WORST thing you can do at a bank is get pissed off when they ask you questions about your cash deposits. Tellers are required to ask questions. It is not personal to you or to the fact you are stripper. In the old days when I was a teller I had to ask the wife of a CEO the same questions about her cash deposits as I did the "waitresses". So have a story about where the money came from before you go in. Get to know tellers. Keep it light and happy. After a few times they will stop asking.
    I'd agree, but one male teller tried to trip up my "story" about one deposit & I got pissed at him. I found his line of questioning very unprofessional. That is just me and my foul temper though. lol

    Anyhow yeah all the options to handle your money have individual benefits and drawbacks.

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    If all of the sudden you have 50k with no paper trail it is harder to verify that you earned that money and when. Every mortgage application now requires at least 2 year tax returns. If you have bad credit they will go back further.
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    Pardon me if this question has been asked, but if someone were to apply with $50k without a bank paper trail... are they looking at the bank sending them to the IRS and being flagged for auditing, or would they be okay as long as they had a few years of tax returns with an income amount that allows saving $50k to be plausible?

    I ask because I hate banks and am of the old school money-in-the-mattress mentality, yet I keep records of daily income in case there is ever a question... I'd hate to go put a down payment on something and be given trouble even though the money is perfectly legit and been reported/taxed.
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    if someone were to apply with $50k without a bank paper trail... are they looking at the bank sending them to the IRS and being flagged for auditing, or would they be okay as long as they had a few years of tax returns with an income amount that allows saving $50k to be plausible?
    I would speculate that walking into a bank with a suitcase containing $50,000 in 'cash' money will not only immediately result in a cash transaction report being issued to the IRS and state tax agency, but will also rate a 'phone call' by bank management to state / local LE. In the end, it may indeed be discovered that the cash was legally earned, legally reported as income, with all taxes paid. But there are likely to be a ton of questions asked.

    Keep in mind that self-generated records of income, without 3rd party corroboration via W2's or 1099's, leaves open a question regarding the ACTUAL amount of money that person might have earned versus the amount of earnings they reported and paid taxes on. This can lead to a 'lifestyle audit', as well as a claim by the IRS that more money was earned than reported ( thus a claim that more taxes are due than were already paid ). Self-employed persons who lack 3rd party documentation can have a very difficult time if forced to prove that they didn't actually earn the additional money the IRS might claim they did. This in turn can lead to the person facing a dilemma of paying additional taxes under an IRS 'settlement agreement', versus having their assets frozen by the IRS until a wall to wall audit can be conducted and the IRS tax court can render a decision.

    The bottom line point for self-employed persons who deal with a lot of 'cash' is that the less IRS attention they are able to attract, the better !!!


    On another note, being somewhat old school myself, I also like to keep a sizeable amount 'tangible assets' at hand. But going with gold and silver coins / bars raises far fewer questions than a huge pile of 'cash'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Pardon me if this question has been asked, but if someone were to apply with $50k without a bank paper trail... are they looking at the bank sending them to the IRS and being flagged for auditing, or would they be okay as long as they had a few years of tax returns with an income amount that allows saving $50k to be plausible?

    I ask because I hate banks and am of the old school money-in-the-mattress mentality, yet I keep records of daily income in case there is ever a question... I'd hate to go put a down payment on something and be given trouble even though the money is perfectly legit and been reported/taxed.
    When I got my mortgages they want to see that the money has been in your account for at least a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele11 View Post
    I made a few large deposits when I was out of town last. It was a place I've never been. The lady said it's nice you have all cash huh. I just said yes. Then she said i was a P.P member and I should take care of their benefits, blah , blah. I'm glad she didn't ask any thing else. One lady asked if I was a traveling nurse? I didn't know they got paid in cash.
    They get per diem I am sure....I've met traveling nurses at my day job.....They often are lodged at hotels & might just get cash given to them for extra days worked. (Medical workers don't tend to want to live in under-served areas of the states, so they just travel in & leave on days off.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Pardon me if this question has been asked, but if someone were to apply with $50k without a bank paper trail... are they looking at the bank sending them to the IRS and being flagged for auditing, or would they be okay as long as they had a few years of tax returns with an income amount that allows saving $50k to be plausible?

    I ask because I hate banks and am of the old school money-in-the-mattress mentality, yet I keep records of daily income in case there is ever a question... I'd hate to go put a down payment on something and be given trouble even though the money is perfectly legit and been reported/taxed.
    In this discussion, there are some key differences to keep in mind.

    When we talk about about cash ... we mean paper currency straight up cash. Large deposits of cash are reported to the IRS. What does that mean? Well there is a form that the bank you deposit the funds into is required to fill out; with your information and the amount/ date of cash transaction that is sent to the IRS. What they do with it from there is anyone's guess. If they compare it to your tax returns and the funding doesnt match they may audit.

    Now lets say you have 50k sitting in a bank account already. You use that money to create a cashier check for the down payment. In most cases, unless there is a suspious activity, this will not require the bank holding your account to fill out the IRS form. Money that has been sitting in an account is not considered cash. BUT if you bring in 50k in cash to create a cashier's check, then the IRS form would be filled out.

    Lets say you go to a mortgage lender bank with that down payment of 50k in a cashier's check. The mortgage lender bank is the one that is going to want to know the history of your downpayment. Which is when they require tax returns and a paper trail of the history of the funds. The tax returns are required in the loan process and your income must be verified anyway. This will not be reported to the IRS because it is not a required of the mortgage lending bank.

    Lets say you are buying a house for 50k or you are using it as a downpayment. You will take your 50k cashier check to the titling company to finish the paperwork and transaction. The titling company files IRS paperwork verifying that you have paid for the house in full or used funds outside of your mortgage loan. Once again what the IRS does is random and up to them. It could flag an audit if your taxes do not match.


    Bottom line, if you are going to make a down payment on a house, it would be much easier to have those funds already in a bank. It is also important to have well done taxes with all the paperwork. All the paperwork means the tax forms, bank statements, receipts, copies of checks, payment ledgers etc. Just in case it flags an audit. The only time I have seen people audited for these reasons is because they are extremely sloppy. They try too hard to down play their taxable income and then pull downpayments out of no where. If you think you are going to be buying a house within two years lay the ground work with excellent tax returns now. Clean up your credit. Start putting the downpayment in the bank. Clean up everything as much as possible so that you get the best loan, the best house, and the easiest processing.
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    I deposit a significant amount of paper money every week. How much money would get noticed by the bank or IRS?

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    ^^^ Texas is less attentive than other states ... the mandatory cash transaction reporting limit is the federal $10,000. Some states ( i.e. typically states that levee their own income tax ) set mandatory reporting limits as low as $3-4,000. Texas banks could still make 'suspicious activity' reports based on a pattern of repeated regular cash deposits in amounts less than $10,000 though.

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    If there is any suspicion of illegal activity or money laundering, banks are required to report transactions greater than $5,000.

    http://www.occ.gov/topics/compliance...gulations.html

    Reports of Suspicious Activities - 12 CFR 21.11 and 12 CFR 163.180

    This regulation requires every national bank to file a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) when they detect certain known or suspected violations of federal law or suspicious transactions related to a money laundering activity or a violation of the BSA. A SAR filing is required for any potential crimes:

    1. involving insider abuse regardless of the dollar amount;

    2. where there is an identifiable suspect and the transaction involves $5,000 or more; and

    3. where there is no identifiable suspect and the transaction involves $25,000 or more. A SAR filing also is required in the case of suspicious activity that is indicative of potential money laundering or BSA violations and the transaction involves $5,000 or more.

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    ^^^ yup ... and there's some ambiguity in the way that banks can interpret the dollar threshold for 'suspicious activity' reporting - i.e. a single transaction which is over the reporting limit, versus several separate transactions made by the same customer over the course of a week which together add up to an amount over the reporting limit.

    Generally speaking, banks have been tasked with a mandate to subjectively evaluate customers conducting sizeable and/or regular cash transactions, and to report said customers to the IRS ( and state tax agencies ) if, in the subjective judgment of bank employees, the customer and/or cash appear to be 'suspicious' in nature. As alluded to earlier, the use of a personal account versus a business account for regular cash transactions arguably adds to the 'suspicion'. Customer reluctance to respond to questions from bank employees regarding the origin of the cash arguably adds to the 'suspicion'. Even the physical appearance / demeanor of the customer can factor into the level of 'suspicion'.

    When I was still living in New York, I tried to minimize my risk of being considered 'suspicious' by ...

    A. registering my business with the state, and opening a business bank account at a 'regional' bank. Huge multinational banks are impersonal and are more 'rigid' in terms of procedures ( as well as deviations from those procedures ), and credit unions are too 'nosey' by nature.

    B. making regular weekly in-person cash deposits into that business bank account on the same day of the week ( specifically Monday mornings ... when many small businesses deposit their weekend cash receipts ). This reinforced the impression that my business operated on a regular schedule like other 'conventional' small businesses. I would also make additional 'night deposits' through the week if my cash receipts were building up to the point of approaching reporting limits. I didn't make 'night deposits' on a daily / predictable basis, though, because in NY there was a significant risk of being robbed.

    C. dressing like a 'business woman' and using a 'bank pouch' ( with my business name embossed on it ) when making deposits in person ... again reinforcing the impression that my business activities were 'conventional' in nature.

    D. building a bit of a rappor with a couple of different tellers at that 'regional' bank, thus increasing the probability that I would NOT have to go through '20 questions' from a teller who had never seen me before.

    In the final analysis, eventual need to apply for a loan / mortgage, or eventual need for other banking services, is going to require face-to-face interaction with bank employees. IMHO it's better to gradually build a customer relationship with a bank as opposed to 'walking in cold' when the need for a loan / mortgage actually arises. That gradually built customer relationship also goes a long way towards avoiding 'suspicions' on the part of bank employees.
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    Thank you Melonie, Vamp and Michele!

    Well in the interest of wanting to give myself the least anxiety about ever being hassled by banks/IRS, I'm going to suck it up and start using a business acct with weekly deposits. I currently have personal checking/savings that I've only ever used to pay online bills, and the only reason I use it for purchases right now is bc I had a student refund check get direct deposited.

    Now, when you say "using the business account to pay for necessary business expenses", are you referring to making any dancer purchases like shoes, etc. that I would want to write off on taxes, or can I utilize that account to pay my rent, credit card, etc. as well? I would be transferring any money for my "draw" of personal discretionary spending/saving into my other 2 accounts. I rarely make dancer purchases, and 90% of it can't be written off per the housewife test, so if I can't utilize the business acct for regular bills, I feel like it would look odd to deposit everything in there and then have to transfer it out all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Now, when you say "using the business account to pay for necessary business expenses", are you referring to making any dancer purchases like shoes, etc. that I would want to write off on taxes,...
    Exactly. So costumes, theatrical makeup, pole dance classes once you have been in business for more than a tax year, your quarterly tax payments, fees to your accountant, lawyer, or to buy quick books, and travel expenses come out of the business account. You can also reimburse yourself for expenses you pay. For example, you can have the business account reimburse you for mileage if you drive to an out of town club. You can have the business account reimburse you if you buy plane tickets to an out of town club and put them on your personal credit card. Or, you can get a business credit card. Amex has some really good small business credit card deals from time to time.

    ... or can I utilize that account to pay my rent, credit card, etc. as well?
    Nope. Except you can have the business account reimburse you for credit card business expense purchases you had to make with your personal credit card.

    I would be transferring any money for my "draw" of personal discretionary spending/saving into my other 2 accounts. I rarely make dancer purchases, and 90% of it can't be written off per the housewife test, so if I can't utilize the business acct for regular bills, I feel like it would look odd to deposit everything in there and then have to transfer it out all the time.
    Not odd at all. That's what businesses do. In my business, admittedly, not really a small business anymore, every penny of the company's revenue goes into the company checking account. I make daily deposits, sometimes more than daily. (If someone gives me a big check, I'll send it straight to the bank, won't even wait for my regular banking run.) At the end of the week, when my book keeper is writing all the accounts payable checks, the last one is my draw. When I first bought this place, there were some weeks that the draw was puny. There were other weeks that I was glad BF had a regular check coming in. And, there were some really great weeks too. :-) That's the way businesses work.

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    ^ What is the point of reinbursiing yourself when those are right offs?

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