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    I have the Keurig single-cup coffee maker and I like it but ever since I started drinking espresso, I barely drink coffee anymore...

    I want to get an espresso machine but can't decide which one to buy. I am eye-ing the Nespresso line but am open to other suggestions... It's just so difficult to pick!

    There's one I saw on the website for $150, which is pretty reasonable... But then I look at pricier ones, there's a machine at $300 which can make espresso & coffee (so maybe I can get rid of my current machine and keep only one), and then I look at another one at $320 it has tons of options! I started browsing online only wanting a simple machine that could make espresso but now I'm thinking hmmmm it wouldn't be such a bad idea if my machine could make hot foam milk, macchiato and cappucino too (even though I don't really need it). Now i'm lost haha.

    Do you have an espresso machine at home or any recommendations?!

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    I have the Keurig single cup coffee maker on my list of things to buy for myself - I dated a guy from Bosnia and they drank Turkish coffee - so addictive

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    It's definitely worth it if you're a regular coffee drinker

    I have the older version, it's very easy to use and they just came out with a new one. The only downside is that you can't recycle the K-cups... I feel so guilty just throwing them in the garbage after I am done...

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    I use Starbucks verismo
    Up side is easy
    downside buying only starbucks brand

    I want what they have in the real coffee shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temptingmodel View Post
    I use Starbucks verismo
    Up side is easy
    downside buying only starbucks brand

    I want what they have in the real coffee shops.
    Does it taste the same as ordering from Starbucks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xStacey View Post
    It's definitely worth it if you're a regular coffee drinker

    I have the older version, it's very easy to use and they just came out with a new one. The only downside is that you can't recycle the K-cups... I feel so guilty just throwing them in the garbage after I am done...
    You can buy reusable coffee holders

    http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/stor...FQKTaQod1I8AgQ

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    Here's my two cents on this topic ...

    Yes it's certainly possible to buy espresso coffee filled pods ( at .75 to $ 1.00 each ) ... or to fill reusable pods with ground espresso coffee ... and brew them up using a standard Keurig or other brand of pod coffee maker. However, while the resulting coffee is very drinkable, from a coffee aficionado's standpoint the resulting coffee is best referred to as 'espresso flavored coffee' rather than true espresso.

    The reason for this is that the fine grind of espresso coffee requires a very high pressure to produce true espresso. Keurig itself acknowledges the need for higher pressure by also offering a separate Keurig RIVO machine with a higher pressure pump which uses different higher pressure pods. I believe Nespresso machines have a high pressure pump to start with ... and obviously you can buy espresso pods to fit these machines as well.

    In my own case, with the price of the Keurig RIVO machine and pods being as high as they are, I opted to go with a Jura Capresso J6 machine ... which has a high pressure pump, and actually grinds and packs its own roasted beans ...



    With this type of machine the cost per cup of expresso drops from 75 cents / $ 1.00 per 1/4 oz pod = $48-$64 per pound , to $12-$18 per pound, even for top quality espresso coffee. If you drink just 3 cups of espresso per day, the .60-.80 per cup cost savings on roasted beans versus pods can pay for a factory rebuilt Jura machine in about a year.

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    Thanks, Mel! Beautiful, sounds great, but..pricey http://www.1stincoffee.com/refurbish...rm=Refurbished


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    ^^^ yup, but 3 cups per day * 60 to 80 cents coffee cost savings per cup = $800 bucks per year !!!

    I would also add that there are now home versions of dedicated high pressure brewing machines from DeLonghi, Saeco and others which can produce the same quality espresso as the commercial DeLonghi and Saeco machines used by Starbucks and other coffee retailers. These sell for $150 or so ... about the same price as a Keurig RIVO espresso pod machine, and also offer significant coffee cost savings since they can use $20-35 per pound ground espresso coffee instead of $48-64 per pound espresso pods. But the whole bean version of the same espresso coffee which my Jura machine uses sells for $12-18 per pound. Of course, you can try to grind your own espresso beans, but trust me the necessary fine grind is HARD to achieve without a serious ( burr not blade ) coffee grinder ... which can cost as much or more than the dedicated high pressure brewing machine itself !!!

    Perhaps most important, the dedicated high pressure brewing machines require that ground espresso coffee be packed properly by the 'barista', and the machine be cleaned up afterward. And, obviously, these dedicated high pressure brewing machines aren't capable of making a proper latte, capucino, etc. where the high pressure brewing isn't necessary or desireable. With my Jura machine I just push the button for the type of brew I want and the machine makes all the changes necessary to produce it.

    Again, if you want to make 'real' espresso at home, this isn't really possible with a standard Keurig or other brand pod machine because it can't produce the very high pressure required. The Keurig RIVO or Nespresso pod machines can produce the necessary high pressure. But either way, you wind up spending $48-64 per pound for the espresso coffee pods. If you plan to only drink a cup of espresso occasionally, the high cost of the pods won't be a huge factor. But if you plan to drink espresso ( or lattes or caps or any other type of coffee ) on a regular basis, the high cost of the pods will eat you alive.

    To save some money, you can look at filling your own reusable pods or using a dedicated high pressure brewing machine with ground espresso coffee at $20-35 per pound. But this requires lots of 'labor', both in loading the ground coffee, as well as cleaning up afterwards.

    To be able to use the lowest cost whole bean coffee at $12-18 per pound, you either need to deal with a burr grinder PLUS filling your own reusable pods or high pressure machine 'head', or take the leap to an automatic coffee machine with built-in burr grinder, built in 'head' loading mechanism, high pressure pump, built-in automatic cleaning cycle etc. like the Jura J6. DeLonghi, Jura and some other 'professional' coffee machine manufacturers now offer a bit less expensive automatic coffee machines intended for home use as well ... like
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    Check out EBay if you live in a metro area. A lot of restaurants/hotels replace their expresso machines or sell them when going out of business. Might be able to get a nice one for cheap.

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    I was at the ‘Fancy Gourmet Cooking Gadget Shop’ recently and was told there is a new pressurized coffee contraption coming to market soon. If I were smarter I would remember what it is.

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    I just bought two coffee makers with a gift certificate last month. One of them is an Imusa Stove Top Espresso maker. It. Makes. The. Best. Richest. Espresso. $11 (The other coffee maker $185 or something like that).

    It's old school, simple. Once you load the coffee in, they brew quite quickly. The scent is amazing. The taste? Manifico!

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    ^^^ indeed, stovetop espresso makers ( a.k.a. 'moka' pots ) have been around for a century. They are the 'father' of the first generation steam shot espresso machines, and the 'grand-daddy' of today's electric pressure pump espresso machines. The stovetop espresso maker was arguably the first use of pressurized coffee brewing ( via the mild steam pressure ).

    However, stovetop espresso makers arguably suffer from the same limited ability to create 'crema' ( the foamy coffee oil emulsion which floats to the top ) as the standard pod coffee machines for the same reason, the applied pressure is too low. However, compared to a drip brewer of percolator which produce no pressure at all thus no 'crema' whatsoever, the stovetop espresso makers are a major improvement. And you really can't go wrong for $11 !!!


    I dated a guy from Bosnia and they drank Turkish coffee - so addictive
    In a manner of speaking, Turkish coffee and espresso brewed with low pressure are very similar. Turkish coffee makers attempt to produce 'crema' by triple boiling, while low pressure espresso makers attempts to produce 'crema' by steam stripping. However, from an aficionado's standpoint, while both these methods are capable of producing wonderfully thick, strong, flavorful coffee, only high pressure brewing can force the creation of 'crema' from heaven !!!


    I was at the ‘Fancy Gourmet Cooking Gadget Shop’ recently and was told there is a new pressurized coffee contraption coming to market soon.
    Perhaps they were referring to the new semi-automatic Gaggia espresso machine - . It's a simplified, low cost, version of Gaggia's classic professional espresso machines for home use - but still has the high pressure necessary to produce 'true' espresso with 'crema' from heaven !!! It allows you to pack your own ground coffee 'shot' like the professional machines, but also allows you to use pods for convenience.

    From my 'wasted summer' in San Remo I can tell you that the espresso produced from professional Gaggia machines by a talented barista is the best I have ever experienced. However, I can also tell you that Gaggia style machines improperly packed by amateurs can produce 'mud' as well. It would appear that the new semi-automatic Gaggia home machine has both ends of the spectrum covered, since a new owner can use pods while learning the proper way to manually pack their shots.
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    I use Starbucks verismo

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    ^^^ that's the third 'mainstream' high pressure espresso maker, along with the Keurig RIVO and the Nespresso !!!

    see

    (snip)Nespresso Lattissima Plus
    ◾Machine versatility: Can make espresso and milk-based espresso drinks only
    ◾Machine Size: Small, streamlined machine (stylish, too!)
    ◾Price of machine: Around $399
    ◾Milk frothing capabilities: Allows you to make milk-based drinks, using real milk, and does it with just one push of a button and built-in milk pitcher – offers various options for cappuccinos and latte
    ◾Pod versatility: Pods can be used with any machine
    ◾Pod size: 7 grams of espresso per capsule
    ◾Pod materials: Aluminum
    ◾Pod Price: About 75 cents per pod (HiLine pods, which are compatible with Nespresso machines, are less expensive)
    ◾Price per drink: If you’re making a milk-based espresso drink, cost is 75 cents for Nespresso capsule (less for HiLine capsule) and can use store bought milk, which is inexpensive
    ◾Overall subjective opinion: Hands-down winner for overall quality and taste; second lowest overall cost (higher machine price but lowest per drink price); aluminum capsule materials don’t impart potential plastic taste; extremely easy to use (only one press of a button needed); sleek and stylish design

    Keurig Rivo R500
    ◾ Machine versatility: Can make espresso and milk-based espresso drinks only
    ◾Machine Size: Tank of a machine
    ◾Price of machine: Around $229
    ◾Milk frothing capabilities: Allows you to make milk-based drinks, using real milk – just pull out milk pitcher, put any type of milk and desired amount to froth milk – offers various options for cappuccinos, lattes and cold froth milk drinks (only one that offers cold froth option)
    ◾Pod versatility: Pods can only be used with these machines
    ◾Pod size: 8 grams of espresso per capsule
    ◾Pod materials: Plastic with foil tops
    ◾Pod Price: About 83 cents per pod
    ◾Price per drink: If you’re making a milk-based espresso drink, cost is 83 cents for espresso pod and can use store bought milk, which is inexpensive
    ◾Overall subjective opinion: Runner-up for overall quality; overall cost is the lowest (lowest machine price and relatively low pod price); offers the most types of capsules; only option that provides ability to make cold froth milk drinks; large and cumbersome machine size

    Starbucks Verismo 585
    ◾Machine versatility: Can make espresso and milk-based espresso drinks, as well as regular coffees and teas
    ◾Machine Size: Tank of a machine
    ◾Price of machine: Around $399
    ◾Milk frothing capabilities: Allows you to make milk-based drinks, but you can’t use real milk – have to use Verismo milk pods that contain powdered milk
    ◾Pod versatility: Pods can only be used with these machines
    ◾Pod size: 9 grams of espresso per capsule
    ◾Pod materials: Plastic with foil top
    ◾Pod Price: About $1 per pod
    ◾Price per drink: If you’re making a milk-based espresso drink, need 2 pods (one containing the powdered milk), so $2 for a drink – if you add more than one coffee pod or milk pod (which is common), the drink can get pricey ($4 per drink), rivaling the cost of going right to Starbucks for the same drink
    ◾Overall subjective opinion: Good machine but falls a little short in taste compared to others; a lot of different beverage options; least favorite beverage quality; inability to use real milk; not as specialized; good option if you want versatility to make regular coffee, espresso and teas in one machine; most expensive, large and cumbersome machine size

    Overall results: (based on Brian from Aromacup.com’s subjective opinions)
    ◾Best quality: Nespresso
    ◾Most versatile: Starbucks (most types of beverages), Keurig (does cold froth milk), Nespresso (pods can be used in any machine)
    ◾Easiest to use: Nespresso
    ◾Best looking machine design: Nespresso
    ◾Least expensive: Keurig (overall), Nespresso (cost per drink)
    ◾Overall winner: Nespresso (snip)
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    I have the nespresso machine it is really nice. The espresso is so much better than the keurig cups. It also warms up very fast and is easy to clean. You will love it.

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    ^^^ are you comparing the Nespresso's espresso to Keurig's espresso coming from their high pressure RIVO machine, or from their 'standard' machine ? IMHO the Keurig RIVO's espresso is also excellent ... but the espresso made by Keurig's 'standard' machine is 'espresso flavored coffee' in comparison.

    If you're seriously considering buying a 'pod' machine of any kind, take the time to read the 'fine print' in regard to the actual capabilities of that particular machine. Very few 'pod' machines have the high pressure capability needed to brew 'true' espresso, and also the capability of interchangeably brewing other coffees and teas, and also the capability of using 'real' milk for latte's.

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    I am thinking of going with the Nespresso Pixie...

    https://www.nespresso.com/ca/fr/prod...ric-steellines

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    ^^^ there are actually several versions of Nespresso machines. The new Pixie with the 19 bar pump will make top notch espresso ...



    This machine can also accept third party pods from Gourmezzo which are about 30% cheaper than the 75 cent Nespresso pods. That's a major factor given that you'll often wind up using two pods per cup ... see
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ there are actually several versions of Nespresso machines. The new Pixie with the 19 bar pump will make top notch espresso ...

    http://www.williams-sonoma.com/produ...spresso-maker/

    This machine can also accept third party pods from Gourmezzo which are about 30% cheaper than the 75 cent Nespresso pods. That's a major factor given that you'll often wind up using two pods per cup ... see https://www.gourmesso.com/promotion/...40910-160-bing
    You are so knowledgeable about everything Melonie!

    But I am not sure what you mean by "you'll often wind up using two pods per cup"... Does it mean I will have to use two pods to make a double espresso instead of only one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ are you comparing the Nespresso's espresso to Keurig's espresso coming from their high pressure RIVO machine, or from their 'standard' machine ? IMHO the Keurig RIVO's espresso is also excellent ... but the espresso made by Keurig's 'standard' machine is 'espresso flavored coffee' in comparison.

    If you're seriously considering buying a 'pod' machine of any kind, take the time to read the 'fine print' in regard to the actual capabilities of that particular machine. Very few 'pod' machines have the high pressure capability needed to brew 'true' espresso, and also the capability of interchangeably brewing other coffees and teas, and also the capability of using 'real' milk for latte's.




    I was just comparing to the keurig coffee machine since I used to have one. I don't know a lot about the RIVO but I think you are right to say that a true espresso machine is the best. Another thing I have is a milk frother to make cappuccinos, and it works nicely. Obviously the pod machines fore are very convienent, so that is the only reason I didn't buy a true espresso machine.

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    Yes double espresso requires 2 pods ( and two brewing cycles ). Also, adding some extra flavor to latte's, caps etc. will require 2 pods. This was one of the big factors which weighted my decision to go for an automatic machine which grinds its own coffee beans versus a pod machine of any kind. Even with 50 cent 3rd party pods, one double espresso + one cup of 'strong' coffee per day winds up costing 4 pods * $0.50 * 365 = $730 per year in pod coffee alone ... and original Nespresso, Keurig or Starbucks coffee pods could run you ~$1000+ .

    Thus with the initial purchase of a typical ~$250 pod espresso machine with a high pressure pump, even with 3rd party pods you're talking about spending $1000+ over the course of the first year. That's actually about the same cost as my reconditioned Jura automatic machine + an equal amount of whole bean coffee. But in each subsequent year, the automatic machine using whole bean coffee will save you ~$400+ in coffee costs vs 3rd party pods, and ~$600+ per year in coffee costs for 'name brand' pods - with more savings still if you drink more coffee more often ( which you will, once you taste how fantastic it is ). But most people never stop to calculate how much the convenience of pods is actually costing them month after month, year after year - it's actually 'staggering' - and more or less dwarfs the initial cost of buying the pod machine !!!

    Also, unlike the semi-auto non-pod machines which require you to pack your own ground coffee for each cup made ( and clean up after each cup made ), and unlike packing your own reusable basket pods ( and cleaning up after each cup made ), a full automatic machine is equally convenient to a pod machine. Other than a once per month cleaning cycle, and pouring roasted beans in the top and emptying the spent coffee grounds bin once or twice a week, all the full automatic machines require is for you to hit the button for the type ( and strength ) of coffee you want to brew. Trust me this is extremely important when you've had a 'rough night', and don't want to deal with anything except pushing a button to have your first cup of 'perfect' coffee the next morning !!!


    K-cups... I feel so guilty just throwing them in the garbage after I am done... You can buy reusable coffee holders
    Indeed you can, and they will result in some cost savings versus pods by allowing you to purchase pre-ground coffee in bulk ( although the price for pre-ground coffee is still significantly higher than roasted beans ). But packing reusable coffee holders properly ... like packing the pressure cup on a non-automatic espresso machine ... requires some element of skill. Both can result in a cup of 'mud' if improperly packed. That's not something which I want to have to deal with when half-awake and hung over !!!

    also, on the 'guilt' side, rather than throwing away the spent coffee grounds inside of pods, I compost the spent coffee grounds coming out of my automatic machine ... they work fantastic as garden fertilizer ( which probably saves me yet another $100 per year in organic fertilizer costs ) !!!


    There are also some new 'stripped down' full automatic machines with bean grinder and high pressure pump available now which carry a price tag which is 'almost reasonable' ... like
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    Thank you for all your advice

    I ended up ordering the Nespresso Pixie, i'll update with some feed-backs once I receive it (should be in 2 days)!
    I understand there are better machines that offer more savings in the long-term but I did not feel comfortable spending close to $1000 at once for a first espresso machine... Maybe later on for an upgrade

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    ^^^ yup, totally understood !!!

    As I alluded to earlier, if you're only going to drink one double espresso per day the Pixie machine is definitely the better way to go. And if you wind up loving your espresso, and wind up going through several Nespresso pods per day instead of just a couple of pods, if you do decide to invest in a fully automatic machine which grinds its own roasted beans at a later date, the initial $250 or whatever you spent for the Pixie will be quickly made up for in pod vs bean coffee cost savings !!!

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    I received the Nespresso machine a couple of days ago and really love it!

    The design is sleek and elegant, the machine is so light and small, it really doesn't take up much space. I was worried I'd have to get rid of the Keurig machine I have to make room for the Nespresso. Not only won't I have to, but I doubt i'll be drinking much coffee now. The installation was extremely quick, simply had to plug the cord and it was ready to use. The packaging is beautiful, I also received a sample of 16 different capsules with my purchase. Even the capsules look so pretty lol (a metallic color for each flavour) and the espresso tastes amazing!
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