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    i dont understand why people think that underpaying a dancer by asking for a low flat rate for the night is any different from other insulting bargain requests. id respond in the same way id respond to guys asking for a bj in vip for an extra 100 or to meet up otc. "it works out better for you" no, no it doesnt.

    plus a g for 8 hrs of conversation itc is still a g before house fee, tip out, off stage fee, and post wages because i would be too tired to work the next day. and a g for 8 hrs of conversation and vip time-thats just you getting an hr with me and asking me to stick around for another 7 hrs. haha nope.

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    It very much depends on the situation, location, girl, club, etc.

    Do you have your eye on one particular girl? Are you open to trying your offer with more than one girl if one turns you down? For example, if you ask a couple or several girls, it is possible that another girl will come up interested in being asked the offer that she heard about from the other girls. I kind of doubt that you want all the girls doing that.

    What part of the country/world are you in? What kind of club? What evening? Empty or busy club?

    Are you expecting her to sit and talk with her game on? Can she relax? Do you expect dances or some form of touch? Does she have to keep you entertained?

    Are you known in the club? Does she know you from before? Are you high maintenance? Or are you pretty cool and you make her laugh?

    How exclusive is exclusive? Will you let her dance her stage sets? Will you let her circulate the floor briefly? Will you tip other dancers or buy them drinks?

    Depending on the situation, I could find some girls that would turn this offer down in a heartbeat or ask for more than the initial offer. I could find a lot of girls who would take the offer or even some at some clubs who would take less than $1000 for their shift.

    There is the issue also of payment: you take the risk if you pay her $1000 upfront that she might go into the dressing room and leave the backdoor and she takes the risk of you not paying her if she hangs with you all evening. It might be more comfortable for both the customer and the client to go by the hour. This gives both the opportunity to end it if the situation for one individual loses its desirability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    i dont understand why people think that underpaying a dancer by asking for a low flat rate for the night is any different from other insulting bargain requests. id respond in the same way id respond to guys asking for a bj in vip for an extra 100 or to meet up otc. "it works out better for you" no, no it doesnt.

    plus a g for 8 hrs of conversation itc is still a g before house fee, tip out, off stage fee, and post wages because i would be too tired to work the next day. and a g for 8 hrs of conversation and vip time-thats just you getting an hr with me and asking me to stick around for another 7 hrs. haha nope.
    It's not underpaying. It's asking for a volume discount. If I buy a fleet of cars vs. one car, I will pay a lower price per car. If a customer buys a very large block of time, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a lower rate. No one is forcing you to accept a lower rate.

    Just like a car dealer can turn down a lower offer, he risks having unsold cars. A dancer's shift is a block of a certain number of hours. Any "unsold" at the end of the day is an opportunity cost. They can never be sold again. A dancer needs to evaluate the crowd and consider the effort involved with entertaining the customer all shift to determine if the customer's offer is worth it to them. I don't see what the issue is. If you don't like the offer, move on. I don't understand why you would be upset having the offer on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    It's not underpaying. It's asking for a volume discount. If I buy a fleet of cars vs. one car, I will pay a lower price per car. If a customer buys a very large block of time, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a lower rate. No one is forcing you to accept a lower rate.

    Just like a car dealer can turn down a lower offer, he risks having unsold cars. A dancer's shift is a block of a certain number of hours. Any "unsold" at the end of the day is an opportunity cost. They can never be sold again. A dancer needs to evaluate the crowd and consider the effort involved with entertaining the customer all shift to determine if the customer's offer is worth it to them. I don't see what the issue is. If you don't like the offer, move on. I don't understand why you would be upset having the offer on the table.
    Um, you should really know by now that most dancers are not "volume discount" kinda girls. There is no such thing to me. You either pay, or if you don't wanna pay, get out. Your formula could not be more wrong, as we are not selling "fleets" of anything. Your calculations are wrong, your viewpoint is wrong, yet you keep insisting that you're right. You aren't. You're just another guy who undervalues dancers and expects them to jump at whatever change you feel like throwing them. Not how it works buddy.
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    I can't speak for other dancers, but I can say how I would handle the situation:

    If it were a random customer I've never danced for before attempting to buy me out for the night, I would charge him the per-hour rate. In that situation, I don't have time to attempt negotiating a deal that works out for the customer, me, and the club only to risk losing the sale AND time I could have spent selling dances to other customers.

    If it were a regular attempting to buy me out for a night in the near future, it'd be a very different story. I'd be willing to give him a "volume discount" because it's basically a done deal. How much I would charge would obviously vary by what my average is at that particular club, but would certainly be absolutely no less than $1,000 take home for myself. In addition to my take home, I'd expect him to also cover whatever cost I work out with the club to cover my house fee, room fee, and tip out if necessary plus an included tip for the extra time I'd have to spend negotiating it and generally putting up with him for that long. As an example, let's say my average is low enough to take $1,000 and I'm off the hook for tips since I'm spending my whole night in the room, but the club wants $750 to settle up for being off rotation, house, and room fees. I'd charge the guy a flat $2,000, plus my drinks and a meal if I get hungry.

    I'm down for a volume discount on guaranteed money, but ONLY if it's still going to be more than I could realistically earn by "taking my chances."
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    Quick question, has anyone actually gotten a girl for the entire night (8 hours min) for 1k or less?

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    I'd like to know too, NoRegrets. It's exceedingly rare that I've actually seen it happen at all (three times in my whole time dancing, actually) and those girls proudly showed off that their take-home was more than a grand. I can't imagine any dancer would do it for less than that unless she was seriously desperate.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Another quick question. I still wonder what the appeal is for doing this. Has anyone actually bought a dancer's time for a whole night for any price? Has anyone done this more than once? As much as I love strip clubs, I can't imagine staying for a whole shift. I'm just curious if the dancers here see this very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Another quick question. I still wonder what the appeal is for doing this. Has anyone actually bought a dancer's time for a whole night for any price? Has anyone done this more than once? As much as I love strip clubs, I can't imagine staying for a whole shift. I'm just curious if the dancers here see this very often.
    I've done this a few times for bachelor parties and birthday parties for friends. I've only done it with girls I've known before. Basically the girls job is to take care of my group the entire night. She works with the waitress to make sure the bottles keep coming. Keeps the guys entertained with dances at the table and makes sure that there's a steady stream of girls that the guys are interested in. It's mostly like a host/promoter in a regular nightclub.

    I've paid between 400-600 an hour. That way it's flexible if the girl wants to leave (hasn't happened yet) or if the girl isn't working out. At the end of the night if we all had fun she gets a tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Another quick question. I still wonder what the appeal is for doing this. Has anyone actually bought a dancer's time for a whole night for any price? Has anyone done this more than once? As much as I love strip clubs, I can't imagine staying for a whole shift. I'm just curious if the dancers here see this very often.
    Like I mentioned in my post, I've seen it happen a few times, all in my first ~3 years when I danced consistently. Based on what I could gather from the girls when they came to the DR for bathroom/phone/freshen up breaks, two were like one-on-one parties and one was more GFE. I figure it's the same sort of thing as back to back VIP/CR time, just longer.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
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    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    i dont understand why people think that underpaying a dancer by asking for a low flat rate for the night is any different from other insulting bargain requests. id respond in the same way id respond to guys asking for a bj in vip for an extra 100 or to meet up otc. "it works out better for you" no, no it doesnt.

    plus a g for 8 hrs of conversation itc is still a g before house fee, tip out, off stage fee, and post wages because i would be too tired to work the next day. and a g for 8 hrs of conversation and vip time-thats just you getting an hr with me and asking me to stick around for another 7 hrs. haha nope.
    Just let when you respond why would I accept that if I can make that here? And they're like it will be additional to your income. Oh, okay like $1 is additional; but what you're speaking of is much of a hassle that isn't even worth it for me, but you--
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    I've done this twice, and never with a new person. Once with a dancer with whom I was on a first name basis, and another with a dancer that recognized me. Both times were $1200 and neither were VIP really, just sit at a table with some friends. They worked, interacting with other dancers, showing off, "partying", it probably wasn't easy. I can't remember the number of hours, maybe 10-3 or 10-2? They also got additional tips, no idea how much, maybe 200-300?

    These were both also top dancers, so they probably did it more as a favor to a known customer than as a way to make instant cash.

    I would do it more often but I don't go with groups a bunch
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets View Post
    Quick question, has anyone actually gotten a girl for the entire night (8 hours min) for 1k or less?
    Since the thread has been resurrected, I'll give my two cents.

    Dancers at the club I frequent are required to be on the floor at 7PM, and cannot leave until 3AM. That is their shift. Penalties for not missing those times range from fines, to being fired. When I go to the club, I have one woman that I spend my time with. I've built up a fairly large reputation with her. Typically I show up at or shortly after 7, and we hang out until close. Sometimes we do dances in a curtained VIP, sometimes we just chill and cuddle. If she's tired, she's fallen asleep using me as a pillow. We just hang out, and she doesn't have to try at all. She's affectionate, caring, and genuine, and gives me an incredible experience.

    Now, how much do I pay for this experience? Well, I hung out with her on a Saturday once and gave her $1500. That was early in knowing her. I went in two Sundays ago and gave her $200. Same deal. I don't give it up front or at the end. I just spend it throughout the night with stage tips, or dance tips. There is no bottle fee for the VIP area, so sometimes we just go hang out in there because its quieter. She gets charged $5 a song, so I add that on top of whatever I'm giving her. Sometimes we dance, sometimes we just shoot the shit.

    For background, this is Kansas City in one of the busier clubs. Extras are available, though not from this girl, nor do I partake when in the club. Typically, her nightly goal is $200, with a goal of $400 on Fridays and Saturdays. She works 7 days a week, 8 hour days. When I'm in town, she'll call me to have me come in because she just needs a night off. We'll chill, and she'll relax. Sometimes I get a text that she needs an uber to work. Whenever I do that, she pays me back with "free" dances.

    I know a lot of the women on this site think that the OP was crazy for what he was suggesting, but not everyone works in Dallas or Vegas and has thousands of customers a shift coming through throwing cash around. Some of these women are just trying to make it through a night, and having a friendly face to hang out with can help that. If that's not you, and you can get someone to give you $4K in a single night, more power to you. But $1K in a night is a dream to a lot of people. a former favorite of mine has received $1K twice in her 6 year career. Both times from me. It's not as common as everyone seems to think.

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    Possibly depends on the dancer to customer ratio too, if it’s a quiet night and many dancers working. They will be more likely to accept a gaurenteed number, rather than hustle against other dancers. I would also offer to buy the champagne all night, but the thing is, I can’t imagine being in a club for that long. My gut feeling is 1300 for the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus23 View Post
    I know a lot of the women on this site think that the OP was crazy for what he was suggesting, but not everyone works in Dallas or Vegas and has thousands of customers a shift coming through throwing cash around. Some of these women are just trying to make it through a night, and having a friendly face to hang out with can help that. If that's not you, and you can get someone to give you $4K in a single night, more power to you. But $1K in a night is a dream to a lot of people. a former favorite of mine has received $1K twice in her 6 year career. Both times from me. It's not as common as everyone seems to think.
    Yes. This. I know it's a very unpopular opinion here to accept anything less than a VIP price but let's be realistic for a second.

    Lots of variables here, so one price won't fit all. Shift length, club business, etc.
    Personally, I only work 4 hour shifts and my club is wildly unpredictable. I would be absolutely stoked if somebody wanted to hand me $1k up front for the night, which would all be exempt from club tip-outs, and would involve me sitting on my ass & drinking with customers without having to approach & hustle new ones. I'm not a 'grass is greener' or gambler type of gal (damn, alliteration!) when it comes to money in the club... seen that backfire too many times on other girls.

    Another thought: $1k for 8 hours would be WAY too low. The longer the shift was past my normal time zone, the more I'd charge in an exponential fashion, just because it would be immensely draining and I'd want to make more per each hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    A dancer's shift is a block of a certain number of hours. Any "unsold" at the end of the day is an opportunity cost. They can never be sold again.
    This is not an opportunity cost. Opportunity cost is the value of the next best alternative. If I went to a hockey game Friday instead of going to work, the opportunity cost of attending the game is the money I would have made at work.

    A dancers unsold time is a deadweight loss, which is indicative of a supply surplus because a market equilibrium has not been reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Another quick question. I still wonder what the appeal is for doing this. Has anyone actually bought a dancer's time for a whole night for any price? Has anyone done this more than once? As much as I love strip clubs, I can't imagine staying for a whole shift. I'm just curious if the dancers here see this very often.
    Why are you always bitching and complaining about strippers making money on a damn stripper website?

    Hating much??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Why are you always bitching and complaining about strippers making money on a damn stripper website?

    Hating much??
    I hadn't posted on this thread for three years, but since it has been raised from the dead, and been specifically addressed to me, I'll reply.

    I want dancers to make a ton of money. But I want them to do it honestly. I have been going to clubs for years, and I have seen scams and attempted scams of all types. That tends to make you more cautious, and a tougher negotiator.

    I would have been unhappy to have been given advice like in this thread, and then finding out that in reality I could have paid much less for the same experience.

    Maybe 15 years ago, when the clubs were packed, and it was a sellers market, it would have been a fair answer to say pay the VIP rate per hour, for the whole shift. Because, there were dancers who could sell VIP's consistently all night on weekends.

    That's no longer the case in most cities that I've seen in recent years. Today, as soon as you enter as a customer, you will be approached by a continuous stream of dancers looking for dances. It is totally a buyers market now, and the likelihood of selling out a shift with VIP's is pretty rare indeed.

    So, when a customer asks how much is a fair price for a whole shift, and he gets answers here like the VIP hourly rate x the number of hours in the shift, I say BS. Go ahead and ask that, and if the customer is willing to pay it, good for you.

    But when a customer comes here and asks that, I don't think it's fair to suggest that to him. In reality, in the clubs I've visited, on a slow night, you can offer much less, and the dancer will be happy to take it. So, that's why I posted.

    This is a business transaction. A certain dollar amount for a certain amount of time. It never hurts to offer a lower price. They can always say no, but they might accept the lower price. If they don't, you can also raise the offer, or move on to the next dancer.

    I want the dancer to be fairly paid for the market. But, I also don't want to overpay. When you overpay, you feel like a chump when you found out you paid more than you had to.

    I enjoy strip clubs much more with this approach, and I never lack for the company I want ITC or OTC.

    When customers ask questions like this, I think they are really saying how much should I give her so she will really like me. I think it is important for customers to realize that this is a business to the dancer, and for them to treat it likewise. Then I think you can both enjoy the strip club experience to the max. Maybe this is cynical, but I think it is more realistic, and I certainly have a much better time in clubs following this approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Why are you always bitching and complaining about strippers making money on a damn stripper website?

    Hating much??
    There are millions of people in the world who take it as a personal insult if they are not allowed to negotiate some kind of discount. It doesn't matter whether they are buying a house, a lapdance or a stick of gum--being told to pay the "sticker" price for anything is interpreted as the seller's individual disrespect to each of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Why are you always bitching and complaining about strippers making money on a damn stripper website?

    Hating much??
    What gets me is that he seems to think that it's dishonest to insist that customers pay posted prices for a service and that not giving someone a discount is underhanded.

    Somehow, I don't think he'd do his job for 20% of wages, yet seems to be offended that dancers feel the same way. Epic entitlement is epic.

    Not that I'm suggesting that dancers shouldn't discount large blocks of time or that I wouldn't/ haven't done it. The issue here is the insinuation that anyone who refuses is somehow a scam artist is what I find to be ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    ...I want dancers to make a ton of money. But I want them to do it honestly. I have been going to clubs for years, and I have seen scams and attempted scams of all types. That tends to make you more cautious, and a tougher negotiator...

    ...I would have been unhappy to have been given advice like in this thread, and then finding out that in reality I could have paid much less for the same experience...

    ...So, when a customer asks how much is a fair price for a whole shift, and he gets answers here like the VIP hourly rate x the number of hours in the shift, I say BS. Go ahead and ask that, and if the customer is willing to pay it, good for you...
    You are on a dancer support site. It should come as no surprise to you that some girls are going to quote a higher-end number in response to a pricing question from an anonymous poster on an open forum. These ladies are under no obligation to spill their guts on here about how much they may be willing to negotiate.

    Idk, but if I felt as defensive about stripper hustles as you seem to (evident over many historical posts), I'd probably visit clubs far less frequently than I do. In fact, I tend to relax more in strip clubs than almost anywhere else. It's the one place where I: (1) don't have to worry about social niceties; (2) only interact with the people who I want to for any length of time; and (3) only spend money that I freely choose to give to someone. Aggressive or silly hustles leave me smiling nowadays and roll off like water on a duck's back, usually forgotten about 10 seconds after I send the perpetrator walking. Simple.

    Now I won't tell another grown man how to carry himself, but IMHO developing a thicker skin might make the clubs a more enjoyable place for you. These girls are often decades younger than us, have much less financial security than we do, are naked or partially dressed while we are sitting there comfortably clothed and only earn money for their efforts if they can coax us into spending it. Needless to say, the playing field is not exactly level and a certain amount of hustle, and maybe even a bit of dishonesty, should come as no shock. Some guys learn to navigate this calmly and without taking it personally, while other guys don't it would seem.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.

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    The answer really is, there are too many variables to reach just one universal answer.

    I dance all over and the same high end and nothing special girls exist in every club, the active girls and the lazy girls, the crappy/nothing included in a dance girls and the give-too-much-for-$20 girls, they are all in every club. Some girls are happy and accustomed to $200 a night and for others, that would make them cry. In some cities, the lowest earner makes what the top earner makes in another city.

    My experience would also be that even for top earners, we are not going directly from an hour VIP directly to another hour VIP with another customer back to back until you leave. And we do not have a $2400 night every time. It’s a good strategy to me, a stripper with a marketing degree, to ask for what you want, because a lot of times a customer who likes you will oblige, so I don’t knock anyone here for saying $2400 but again, there are variables and this price is realistic for the best clubs in a small number of cities.

    There are too many variables but an open minded stripper and customer can make it work with a little communication.

    Also: I barely want to spend 8 hours straight with my own family lol, this is way too long of a stretch of time without a worthwhile $ incentive.

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    Part of what you're fighting / paying for as the dude who wants to buy a dancer's entire night is the sort of "gambling effect ".. if you walked into a casino, intent on being there for 4-8 hours, as an experienced gambler... how would you feel if someone handed you $500 with the limitation that you have to sit there for the next 4-8 hours, watching everyone else gamble, and not participating...? Some women would be happy with the guaranteed money. Others would rather leave the money and gamble on making more money without restrictions on how the time is spent. And others would be fine taking a 'risk' on the guaranteed money, but they'd need to receive more ($800, $1k, whatever) to be happy sitting still for the entire shift (i.e. staying with one customer).

    Tipsy Charlie post... hopefully that makes sense!

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    I would bet a lot of us appreciate tipsy Charlie posting! The only differences I've ever noticed are that you delve into the topic a bit deeper than usual, and well.. tell us you're tipsy

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