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    Still feeling quite anxious, I know so far it's been well received and I wanted to put it out there that my long awaited project is breaking ground. I am starting a cam site with live streaming software/script and marketing it as a "top shelf cam site" featuring experienced Professionals and really representing a quality over quantity dynamic. It will start small with 20-25 performers on board with the requirements for being able to broadcast and function as a "co-op" style site meaning that basically the performers have a say so in how the site is run and even are given some level of authority.

    This is why experienced and being very professional is highly important. But I want a site out there (aside from those successfully making indie shows a known option) that is a streaming site that has variety, nothing but the best, and is geared towards those who are generous and looking for something authentic, unique, and from someone that enjoys what they do.

    With the ability to create the front end/design bit and do support, I've also found the appropriate script to run the chat system with some customizations. As far as bandwidth, server reliability, speed, and security, I definitely know exactly the right guy more than happy to provide secure servers. I know someone more into database functioning to handle that end and someone for tech support. With starting small and evolving, this is possible in addition to an investor.

    But, traffic and ads n stuff?
    This is why I'm wanting (and specifically asking some who have mentioned needing a solution like this) performers with a client base that can bring traffic. There will definitely be promotions to keep clients there and with what I'm aiming for the payout to be, the performer will want their client there also.

    I want to encourage higher rates (3.19-15.99...5.99/7.99 average). This is definitely a private based site as I think plenty of tip sites exist however there will be a sort of "gold show" feature for each performer 2x a week and amping up those feature group shows increasing goal potential and turn out.

    I want to see a site that makes it clear performers are valued and there's a place to have that kind of standard. There's a lot of dollar menu options and I think those who work hard deserve valet and white linen tablecloths.

    I won't go into every detail and there's missing info and I expect criticism. Well, there's definitely an interest and it can actually happen and for those who have dreamed of that option...hopefully this is close to what you had in mind. I don't want to continue to perform as much as I did but I still want to be a part of the industry as a resource and someone with some very useful skill sets.

    So yeah, model run live cam site but definitely backed with professional functionality and support. It will take time and probably evolve considerably but to those who like to jump to immediately pooping on possibilities...hold it for a moment because it's not IMPOSSIBLE.
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    It's an excellent idea, and I hope the implementation works out well for all involved. Performer-run adult businesses are so much less likely to turn exploitative and awful, particularly given a co-op model. Good luck!


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    Camgirl run private-based site with higher rates - yes! I like the way you talk

    Honestly I'm really sick of tipping sites. I know it works for some but it's just not my style and overall I feel like it attracts guys who think they can get the world for a dollar.


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    Who decides what "nothing but the best" is? The best will obviously be different depending on who you ask. You won't be able to allow everyone on your site, and that idea has caused some stir recently with other sites.

    I guess I'm not entirely seeing how a site like this would be different. Cam sites cost money, lots of money, to run. That's why we get the percentages we get. I assume part of the goal with a site like this is higher percentage for performers?

    At the end of the day, you would be doing this to profit, right? Otherwise, why do it? Out of the kindness of your heart sounds like a great thought, but like I said it's going to cost a lot of money to run a cam site and you will want to turn a profit for all the work you would have to put into it (not to mention paying others to help develop it).

    Calling something like this a co-op doesn't sound.... accurate? to me. Everyone would be part owners if it's a co-op and then any profit at the end of the day would be distributed to the co-op owners... It just doesn't seem like something that would actually work as a co-op when it comes to a cam site.

    Can someone explain this idea to be a bit better? Because it comes up every so often, and I just don't see it working for a cam site. Sorry.
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    Just an afterthought here...

    In terms of just having a higher end cam site, those are out there, Cam With Her was one of the first high end cam sites that only accepted high caliber women at high rates. I don't think the site does much business anymore, from what I can tell. The biggest issue is getting the high dollar clients to the site and actually getting them to spend.

    When you talk about a high end cam site... you have to remember what most people in the general population considers to be "high end". That idea is what most people are going to have in mind when they come to a high end cam site and see very high rates. Just something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    Still feeling quite anxious, I know so far it's been well received and I wanted to put it out there that my long awaited project is breaking ground. I am starting a cam site with live streaming software/script and marketing it as a "top shelf cam site" featuring experienced Professionals and really representing a quality over quantity dynamic. It will start small with 20-25 performers on board with the requirements for being able to broadcast and function as a "co-op" style site meaning that basically the performers have a say so in how the site is run and even are given some level of authority.
    I agree with Sarah, Lola. I totally believe in entrepreneurship so I don't want to burst your creative bubble. However, I fail to see how most would find value in this? I don't think models really care how a site treats them as long as they're getting paid. I know, that sounded harsh but it's true. A lot of us put up with shitty sites but we stay because the money is there, even if it is only 35%. There are choices to go to a better site (that still pays around the same) and then there's always independence and platform sites but SM, IML, Cams, and LJ all still have a ton of models working on them. I've never heard a bb say "I left that site because they were treating me poorly, but yes, I got paid great money!" bbs will stay where they are if that cake is on point.

    A feeling comes to mind with this co-op and authority feature. I see a lot of fighting, bickering, and splitting off/cliqueing/taking sides with this. Not everyone can be the "boss" unless you actually give everyone the same authority. But they have independent platforms for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    This is why experienced and being very professional is highly important. But I want a site out there (aside from those successfully making indie shows a known option) that is a streaming site that has variety, nothing but the best, and is geared towards those who are generous and looking for something authentic, unique, and from someone that enjoys what they do.
    So you basically want a sugar daddy cam site? Those don't really work out and most of 'splenda' daddies. Brandon Wade of Seeking Arrangements makes his money not by the amount of rich SD's joining his site but advertisement, publicity, multiple sites, and those expensive SD parties he throws (up to $3k in VIP tickets). What's generous? Again, I already feel this is limiting the model and the customer. I'd rather have a broke John Doe fork over hit little check which he'll spend on someone than waiting for a generous guy to drop more money. There are far more broke John Does than Christian Greys out there. It's best to accept any and everyone.

    Professionalism? I'm feeling this is more of a casting call? Too much control and restrictions. Anyone can join a site and claim they're professional until they have a shitty day on cam or someone in that co-op pisses them off. The big box sites do well because they don't restrict who joins as a model. At the end of the day it's about profit. I've seen some crazy unprofessional, potty mouth bitches on cam rake in big bucks. No one cares that they're part of a "sophisticated site". Men want to get off and we just want to be paid.

    There's one thing that is always true. Model who make money will keep logging in. Unprofessional or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    With the ability to create the front end/design bit and do support, I've also found the appropriate script to run the chat system with some customizations. As far as bandwidth, server reliability, speed, and security, I definitely know exactly the right guy more than happy to provide secure servers. I know someone more into database functioning to handle that end and someone for tech support. With starting small and evolving, this is possible in addition to an investor.
    Why not pimp out your script instead? You'll most likely make more money as running a "top" camsite is a lot of expense. Why hire all of those people if you most likely won't be able to pay them for a very long time? You need big capitol right away because anything and everything will happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    But, traffic and ads n stuff?
    This is why I'm wanting (and specifically asking some who have mentioned needing a solution like this) performers with a client base that can bring traffic. There will definitely be promotions to keep clients there and with what I'm aiming for the payout to be, the performer will want their client there also.
    I feel like too many people are coming up with these "bright" ideas about cam sites but yet asking us to bring our traffic to you. Why should I have to do that when I got the customer on my own? What besides bells and whistles are you offering me? You're offering a glorified 60-80% payment processor to me. AW, CMD, LCMS, NF already offers this without the confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    I want to encourage higher rates (3.19-15.99...5.99/7.99 average). This is definitely a private based site as I think plenty of tip sites exist however there will be a sort of "gold show" feature for each performer 2x a week and amping up those feature group shows increasing goal potential and turn out.
    Again, freedom is being able to charge what we want. Yes, I agree that it would be nice if everyone raised their rates but that's the beauty of choice. Since you own the site why do you care what they charge if you'r going to get a cut anyway? Hell some guys will see the site prices and run back to SM where they can get a GS for $0.43 a minute. What happens when all the traffic dies and only shows back up when a GS is featured? Where are our choices in this? These are just site rules. Charge $3+, host 2 GS a week. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    I want to see a site that makes it clear performers are valued and there's a place to have that kind of standard. There's a lot of dollar menu options and I think those who work hard deserve valet and white linen tablecloths.
    Are you saying that those with $1 menu prices don't work hard and don't deserve to be treated well? I understand wanting to be valued. That's nice but I like money more. Girls leave places that value them as a model for places that pay them better/more.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    I won't go into every detail and there's missing info and I expect criticism. Well, there's definitely an interest and it can actually happen and for those who have dreamed of that option...hopefully this is close to what you had in mind. I don't want to continue to perform as much as I did but I still want to be a part of the industry as a resource and someone with some very useful skill sets.
    Criticism from us is the best you'll ever have. But it comes from a place of love as we'd rather have you hear it from us than put yourself out there and learn the hard way It can happen, but will it, and if it does, how long will you last in this industry?

    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    So yeah, model run live cam site but definitely backed with professional functionality and support. It will take time and probably evolve considerably but to those who like to jump to immediately pooping on possibilities...hold it for a moment because it's not IMPOSSIBLE.
    Nothing is impossible. But will it work and do you have the financial backing to find out?

    My closing thoughts are this. I am all for female entrepreneurship. I fully support women who want to change things and make it better for those around her and coming after her. So please, don't take my criticism as a personal attack on your idea. I'm simply giving you my input as a hypothetical "partner". What I fail to see in this is how this all helps a female in this industry get ahead where she can't find elsewhere? So far I've seen you mention customization, professionalism, sophistication, bring own traffic, authority, higher prices, generous customers, possible higher percentage, backend support, co-op style. Why would I bring the customer I got with my hard earned money to your site? Just to use your payment processor or do you want me to get him to spend more money on other girls? If I can get him to pay me and me only, I'd do that instead.

    Most of that can be found on other sites like ModelCentro except MC isn't limiting. I feel you're limiting us instead of giving us a better option. Power and authority are fine but some people can live without it. Some people would rather give that up to someone else, and sometimes that will attract power hungry individuals. At the end of the day most of us don't need the bells and whistles. We just want to do our jobs and get paid. Over the years I've seen so many people try and offer a better solution (models included) and failed. I just don't want that to be you. I don't see how this would really benefit without limiting us.




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    Performers with enough marketing & fan base needed to make a new site successful already use their cammodel link & make 75% on SM or move over to ifriends & get 100%.

    Some of their regulars might cam on the new site, or just wait till they log onto the cam site they usually cam on.

    No matter what caliber of performer, to make it a success would require LOTs of hours on cam making less money in hopes this will be a success & pay off in the long run. Considering they have been camming for a while, they tried several new sites & seen them fail. Making it less likely to take a risk again.


    There must be at least 50 to 100 cam girls on for what ever traffic there is to convert. Getting 50 to 100 girls to put in the hours for less money is impossible.

    This isn't even dealing with the legal fees needed to set it all up in order to pay out dividends & work out CEO, board officers, taxes, accountants. Pay structure of behind the scenes & their salaries.


    It is nice to dream & go for it. There is also reality of many failed new cam sites & antiquated ones still going but sever declining traffic. To make a new cam site successful would take MILLIONS to back it until it turns a profit. Let's be honest, well established, top earners are NOT going to sign up. Newbies with no hustle skills wanting & needing to be hourly paid are who sign up for these things.

    Going independent instead is what many would do rather than sign on for this kind of endeavor.

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    Performers with enough marketing & fan base needed to make a new site successful already use their cammodel link & make 75% on SM or move over to ifriends & get 100%.
    This is actually a KEY component for any new webcam host site ... which is often overlooked in the profit margin equation. The bottom line is the ability to attract 'traffic' which is willing and able to spend money. A certain number of performers, thanks to their own attributes and efforts, have cultivated their own base of loyal customers ... and will bring those customers along with them to a new webcam host site ... with that customer spending then being 'shared' with some other camgirls on that site ( effectively costing the original performer money ).

    Lacking performers with a ready made customer base, a new webcam host site is going to have to spend money to create 'traffic', via payments to search engines for paid placement, via reciprocal deals with tube sites, etc. These payments cut into profits big time, and also tend to attract customers who are far less willing to spend freely, and customers who are more likely to create charge-backs.

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    Oye...*cracks knuckles*

    I didn't want to go into the full business plan but I knew that in not doing so, there would be questions and assumptions as to how the site would function and, overall, succeed.

    I'm starting it low with those on board with the idea so that myself and perhaps one other person can manage the technical aspects. The thing is, as a web programmer and over-excited nerd, I have friends of a similar nature. There are resources I have access to that most would have to pay a lot for...I do not have to because they are already owned and the owner supports the idea. There are a few in on assisting me with this.

    This is a sort of niche site. It's not intended to be a huge empire but it's goal is to offer an option and potential success to those that would function well on this sort of site. Again, it's an idea I've been flipping about for almost 2.5 years and with several other techies. Techies that have had the funds and resources but zero insight then met me, insight and front end programming skill but lacks funds/resources.

    This won't appeal to everyone...likewise, not all sites appeal to all models. I've just noticed the lack of private based cam sites as of late and I know that works very well for some. Actually, when I started on SM, it was more like this and was a platform that had higher rates that worked with people who would pay them and get long shows. I looked back on how I was doing 2 years ago and easily had 40 minute exclusives at 5.99/min and half were actually just conversation. There's a legit demand for this believe it or not.

    Ok, questions answered, forgive me for not doing the proper quote thing

    "Are transgendered allowed?"
    Of course. As long as you fulfill the initial expectations required to start on the site during it's beta testing and launch.

    "At the end of the day, you would be doing this to profit, right? Otherwise, why do it? Out of the kindness of your heart sounds like a great thought, but like I said it's going to cost a lot of money to run a cam site and you will want to turn a profit for all the work you would have to put into it (not to mention paying others to help develop it)."
    Yes, I'd be making a profit and my intention isn't to get rich and certainly not quick. It's the innovation, presentation, usage of technology for sexually progressive thought and exploration. I want to be comfortable and that's really it. I'd be happy making what one of the successful models make. Again, not a get rich thing.

    It will cost a lot of money. I have an investor and the parts that cost money are being donated for use such as secure servers, bandwidth, security, back end database maintenance, billing, etc.
    I'm wanting to explain more but I'm also not wanting to give away too much so yeah, some things may be assumed to initially not considered and a possible fall in the development but I've definitely saw this from as many sides as possible. There's a major difference in the UI/UX aspect of the site I've never seen anywhere else that would interest many. For some it may not be their thing but I think having this would be rad as hell.

    Let me try to define "high end". By this, a "high end" performer means one who invests themselves fully in their time spent on the site backed with a sense of professionalism, dedication to personal growth and the growth of the site collectively, a sense of originality in identity or persona with a passion to continue to hone the traits that make this successful for them, and supporting the movement of sex positive/female run online adult content.
    I'm not really referring to looks here. Does a person need to show they obviously take pride in themselves and care about how they appear? Absolutely. That's what is more important. I don't want a bunch of Miss America contestants, I want performers who enjoy what they do and seek ways to make it even more enjoyable.

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    I had posted awhile ago about a co-op camgirl run camsite as a dream of mine. It got pretty much blasted to pieces LOL because I just didn't have the real technical background to get it off the ground running. You, however, have me completely convinced.

    I will support you 100% in any way I can with this endeavor. We need to take control of this industry and now is better than never and I will regret not trying so might as well, just go for it! We'll look back on this while sipping champagne in front of our fireplaces and reminisce fondly about how hilariously exploitative all the other cam sites thought they could be to this generation of cam models. 74% to the cam site will be a HUGE FUCKING JOKE.
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    That's part of the "professional" bit. Also, this isn't as intimately working together as you might think. Basically, I don't want anyone who is someone that competes against others instead of themselves. This isn't a 'boss' thing but rather feeling that your voice matters, is heard, and is discussed.

    The percentage is possible because of the input from performers and the fortunate nature of 1. knowing people who are donating time/equipment to support this 2. having an investor willing to do the same and 3. having me that writes code in notepad. I'd kick myself in the butt if I didn't make some effort given these opportunities and I'd be appalled if others didn't either.

    Not sugar daddy...I just don't want guys who come in expecting free shit like pornhub doesn't exist. There's a regular of mine who has actually spent hours talking to me about the psychology of how certain people are draw to where and how certain hustles work. Through the years of looking at mine, I made some observations and used those to experiment with results. There were definitely some findings. I turn down shows with guys who come into private and start barking commands. First because I don't want to deal with them and they expect the world immediately and two, as a Domme, I just don't respond well. I straight up look at my cam like, "Uh...are you lost?" Domme or not, I want to attract gentlemen and there's plenty of them that jerk off. I have an idea for how this can be achieved. Again, there's going to be a lot of testing and tinkering and time to build up to even remotely where I'd like to be but I know that and won't quit easy.

    Professionalism? I'm feeling this is more of a casting call? Too much control and restrictions. Anyone can join a site and claim they're professional until they have a shitty day on cam or someone in that co-op pisses them off. The big box sites do well because they don't restrict who joins as a model. At the end of the day it's about profit. I've seen some crazy unprofessional, potty mouth bitches on cam rake in big bucks. No one cares that they're part of a "sophisticated site". Men want to get off and we just want to be paid.

    The last bit of what I said to sarah covers it in regards to Professional. It's a maturity more than anything.

    In the beginning I'm looking to hire 1-2 other people aside from myself. The capitol is there from the investor and hopefully more than I anticipated.


    I will be bringing outside traffic. It won't be a shit ton overnight but it will happen. Again, way more is going into this than I'm going into because I don't want to just divulge everything. Privately I'm more open to discussion.


    There's freedom in charging what you want but I'm wanting to get away from having the assumption something is "free" that seems to be happening so much lately. I'm not wanting to make it unattainable, but I'm wanting to re-establish that a live cam site is actually a pay site, chances are most are just riding on the coattails of 1-2 generous guys. I want to kick them off the coattails.


    I'm trying to be a place that pays performers better but it's not necessarily going to fit the needs of every performer. There's no way a site can't be suitable for everyone. I just know that there is a demand for what I'm trying to create and people who would definitely work on it.

    Eventually I would be able to have more performers on who aren't as interested in the co-op aspect but in the beginning I want to refine that as something that can work. It's not that I'm making everyone boss but I am allowing those who make the site money have a say in how it may be used. I feel that's fair. I won't know what works and what's doomed to fail until I try and there will be a lot of that. Again, other stuff I can address one on one but I just don't want to give spoilers.
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    for a project like this you'd need to make sure you have a start-up budget of at least 100k, but honestly that's probably low-balling it significantly. traffic is expensive and if you plan to do a free chat or private chat site you need a ton of decent traffic to keep even 25 chicas logging in. if you plan to stream traffic narrowly, take your marketing budget and double it.

    assuming you can attract 25 cammers, that's 4k each upfront unless you're planning to front all the costs yourself. the potential issue with a co-op is that camming can be a transitory profession. what happens if a model decides to leave, or chooses to focus her efforts elsewhere and wants out? how would decision-making be handled? group work and collective efforts can produce amazing results, but when you're talking about a commercial venture that many cooks in the kitchen can end up a disaster when ideas clash. think back to the group work we were all forced to do back in school, it's like herding cats when you get too many bright, creative peeps trying to execute a collaborative plan.

    for the above reason also factor in significant legal fees (if you're talking co-op or profit sharing each participant needs an iron-clad understanding of how costs will be portioned, and how profits will be dispersed, reinvested, etc).

    for processing, expect to pay at least 25-30k into a reserve controlled by your merchant bank.

    then factor in the random pitfalls of opening a new venture. say you don't see a dime of site earnings for 6 months because your payment gateway fucks up and have to pay out from your personal savings (been there, not fun), say there's a major technical issue(s) that require specialized (paid) work that eats into your budget. when you venture down a new path you have to anticipate that anything can happen, and you need to prepare for all possibilities that could otherwise cut off your wings before you even start to fly

    like others above I question how much interest you'll receive when chicas can already take their clients indy for higher payouts than a co-op could provide. As processing costs are fixed and operational/traffic acquisition costs will be higher than an indy site just be virtue of the type of site you plan to build, those expenses have to come from somewhere. I'm trying to use my imagination but I honestly don't see how you can offer payouts that compete with indy/IPSP rates when so many additional costs will be involved. For chicas with our own client bases, the difference between 80% (assuming that's your payout) and 85% offered by LCMS/IPSPs adds up to $100's per week. I question whether the value of contributing to a common goal will outweigh the impact of that kind of bottom-line difference. Even if you plan to work for free I don't see how even 80% payouts would be possible though, the costs will be higher than that.

    I don't intend to be discouraging and I hope my post doesn't come across as such. like I said with the right plan and the right peeps involved it could work. I'm just thinking out loud about the plan you propose and writing down the ideas that come to mind, because for an ambitious project like this to succeed you have to have your bases covered. money is the biggest factor, having been through it myself I know how quickly costs pile up, my start-up budget ended up being more than triple what I initially projected as a reasonable (and substantial) budget. had I not had the extra funds to cover all the unexpected costs, LCMS would have been dead in the water before it even got started. if you do this make sure your financial foundation and your plan is strong enough to withstand any pitfall or unanticipated issue that occurs.

    so yeah, could this be done? absolutely. to succeed you'll need a ton of $$$$$ though, without that nothing else matters.
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    I'm still wondering how this qualifies as a co-op? Are you going to make everyone part owner and pay out the profits among all the people working on the site? Isn't that how co-ops work? Maybe I'm misunderstanding... that is highly possible.... lol
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    Rather than a co-op, I think a stock sharing program like WinCo Foods would work really well. http://wincofoods.com/about/an-employee-owned-company/
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    This is great because I was just going to comment on how I a) loved your idea in theory but b) was comparing it to LH's LCMS the entire time. As I'm planning on going into splitcamming, I'd absolutely probably add it as an egg in my basket but I can't imagine even someone like me (who does actually invest a lot of personal capital into projects I believe in) putting in the hours single-camming into a new venture like this. I absolutely love LCMS and I still log onto SM most of the time hoping that I'll hook guys who will look me up and self-convert.

    With that in mind, if your site actually did go live and did even moderately well, I'd probably put it on par with or somewhere around LCMS (depending on your payout percentage) and you'd have, like LH said, massive financial overhead.

    So long story short, I'd be the first one to sign up if you did manage to get this together. I don't want to discourage you any further, and I think I'd be a pretty good fit for what you're looking for, model-wise. But from the model's perspective, it does sound like you're looking for more work/time than the vast majority of us would want to do, especially if you're limiting the count to about 20-25.

    I'm excited to see what you decide though.

    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    for a project like this you'd need to make sure you have a start-up budget of at least 100k, but honestly that's probably low-balling it significantly. traffic is expensive and if you plan to do a free chat or private chat site you need a ton of decent traffic to keep even 25 chicas logging in. if you plan to stream traffic narrowly, take your marketing budget and double it.

    assuming you can attract 25 cammers, that's 4k each upfront unless you're planning to front all the costs yourself. the potential issue with a co-op is that camming can be a transitory profession. what happens if a model decides to leave, or chooses to focus her efforts elsewhere and wants out? how would decision-making be handled? group work and collective efforts can produce amazing results, but when you're talking about a commercial venture that many cooks in the kitchen can end up a disaster when ideas clash. think back to the group work we were all forced to do back in school, it's like herding cats when you get too many bright, creative peeps trying to execute a collaborative plan.

    for the above reason also factor in significant legal fees (if you're talking co-op or profit sharing each participant needs an iron-clad understanding of how costs will be portioned, and how profits will be dispersed, reinvested, etc).

    for processing, expect to pay at least 25-30k into a reserve controlled by your merchant bank.

    then factor in the random pitfalls of opening a new venture. say you don't see a dime of site earnings for 6 months because your payment gateway fucks up and have to pay out from your personal savings (been there, not fun), say there's a major technical issue(s) that require specialized (paid) work that eats into your budget. when you venture down a new path you have to anticipate that anything can happen, and you need to prepare for all possibilities that could otherwise cut off your wings before you even start to fly

    like others above I question how much interest you'll receive when chicas can already take their clients indy for higher payouts than a co-op could provide. As processing costs are fixed and operational/traffic acquisition costs will be higher than an indy site just be virtue of the type of site you plan to build, those expenses have to come from somewhere. I'm trying to use my imagination but I honestly don't see how you can offer payouts that compete with indy/IPSP rates when so many additional costs will be involved. For chicas with our own client bases, the difference between 80% (assuming that's your payout) and 85% offered by LCMS/IPSPs adds up to $100's per week. I question whether the value of contributing to a common goal will outweigh the impact of that kind of bottom-line difference. Even if you plan to work for free I don't see how even 80% payouts would be possible though, the costs will be higher than that.

    I don't intend to be discouraging and I hope my post doesn't come across as such. like I said with the right plan and the right peeps involved it could work. I'm just thinking out loud about the plan you propose and writing down the ideas that come to mind, because for an ambitious project like this to succeed you have to have your bases covered. money is the biggest factor, having been through it myself I know how quickly costs pile up, my start-up budget ended up being more than triple what I initially projected as a reasonable (and substantial) budget. had I not had the extra funds to cover all the unexpected costs, LCMS would have been dead in the water before it even got started. if you do this make sure your financial foundation and your plan is strong enough to withstand any pitfall or unanticipated issue that occurs.

    so yeah, could this be done? absolutely. to succeed you'll need a ton of $$$$$ though, without that nothing else matters.


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