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    Default How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    I'm wondering if I share that I am a camgirl as an artist, if I use Paypal for anything... like if there's a donation link on my art blog ONLY or something like that... Will they seek and destroy my account (suspend)?

    Is there any really good alternatives to using Paypal for my art? I'm not sure if anyone else has some non-adult online business or not, so I'm just wondering what people accept for like... store payments or other types of payments (custom orders, donations, etc.).

    I feel like this is really affecting my decision on whether I want to link the two personas together or not.
    Or whether that's even a good idea?

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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    You could possibly sell more art if you let on your a camgirl, or even sell your art to cam customers, dunno where you cam but on sites like mfc guys would buy your art for tokens. There is always a risk of a fine and your account being frozen using paypal though if you link the two together. You can always accept site payment for your art on sites that allow it, you can use payoneer private loads for your art, send the art after their payment clears, you could accept giftcards in exchange for your art, moneypak loads are non-refundable I think so you could also accept those. In theory you could set up an etsy store and put it in the description that you are a webcam model and only accept credit card payments, not paypal.
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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    When you do Payoneer private loads, what information does it show to the person paying you?

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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    As long as you don't accept payment for anything camming related or post a PayPal purchase link in any place that is tied to camming, you should be ok. But if for example you advertise your art for sale by PayPal on your camming twitter or camming blog, that would likely put up red flags and put your account at risk.

    Have you looked into listing your art on etsy? I have seen other camgirls sell art work on there and advertise it on their camming profiles.
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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    I wish cammodelstore would partner up with ModelCentro. That would be the perfect matchup. You could sell your art there for sure. But, CMS has a $200 start up fee. It may be worth the investment, it was SarahTime that mentioned start up costs for an indie store actually cost a lot more.
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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    As long as you don't accept payment for anything camming related or post a PayPal purchase link in any place that is tied to camming, you should be ok. But if for example you advertise your art for sale by PayPal on your camming twitter or camming blog, that would likely put up red flags and put your account at risk.

    Have you looked into listing your art on etsy? I have seen other camgirls sell art work on there and advertise it on their camming profiles.
    Mmm. I have my art on etsy, but I wanted to advertise my camming stuff on my art profile... So I didn't know if Paypal would like track through links to realize that I'm a camgirl and would ban me just under suspicion of accepting payments for adult transactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I wish cammodelstore would partner up with ModelCentro. That would be the perfect matchup. You could sell your art there for sure. But, CMS has a $200 start up fee. It may be worth the investment, it was SarahTime that mentioned start up costs for an indie store actually cost a lot more.
    $200? Hmm. I'll look into that.


    I think what I decided to do is drop my artist persona for a while and combine all my camming, art, and gaming stuff under my camming persona and see how that works. I wanted to see how private loads work on Payoneer though because I didn't know what kind of information is given to the person paying. I think on Paypal it shows like... all your information??? Like address and real name. I'm not sure.

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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    Payoneer i believe will only show the email you use to get payments and nothing else but guys can find your IP through the headers. IP address is no big deal if you are in a big city but if you are in a small area it is not safe. You might want to double check with Payoneer.
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    Default Re: How likely is it that Paypal will suspend me?

    Yeah... small town. Bleh.

    I'll look into that cammodelstore and hold off offering commissions through my blog or something until I figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonikku View Post
    Mmm. I have my art on etsy, but I wanted to advertise my camming stuff on my art profile... So I didn't know if Paypal would like track through links to realize that I'm a camgirl and would ban me just under suspicion of accepting payments for adult transactions.



    $200? Hmm. I'll look into that.


    I think what I decided to do is drop my artist persona for a while and combine all my camming, art, and gaming stuff under my camming persona and see how that works. I wanted to see how private loads work on Payoneer though because I didn't know what kind of information is given to the person paying. I think on Paypal it shows like... all your information??? Like address and real name. I'm not sure.
    to co-sign on all the posts above, linking paypal in any way to adult work is asking for trouble, paypal has a track record of closing accounts owned by adult performers, even when said performers only ever used their accounts for non-adult purposes.

    regarding Payoneer, the only info clients see is your email address associated with the account, however the service won't let you link to the private load page from your blog, the reason being that they try to discourage people from using the service as a payment processor.

    If you need a place to display your work and/or a place for clients to make purchases I'd be happy to build you a unbranded page on LCMS (the two demos are and , but obv. the page(s) can be designed specifically to what you have in mind.

    the LCMS payout is higher than Cammodelstore (LCMS offers 80% which rises to 85% of the total amount if earnings in any given week equal $100 or more, whereas Cammodelstore is capped at 80%) and there's no start-up fees.

    either way, I think it's wicked that you're experimenting with combining the different elements of your work, I wish ya good luck with it.

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    Payoneer will pitch a fit if they catch you doing private loads for clients paying you, "high risk" transactions is not what that is for at all. If the customer wants a charge back, be prepared for a short account lock and instant refund of your money to the customer. They are a little gentler than PayPal, but it can still ruin your day.

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    Also ModelCentro is working on having store capabilities and a phone app! I just confirmed with them that it is definitely happening, so stoked about that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
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    regarding Payoneer, the only info clients see is your email address associated with the account, however the service won't let you link to the private load page from your blog, the reason being that they try to discourage people from using the service as a payment processor.

    If you need a place to display your work and/or a place for clients to make purchases I'd be happy to build you a unbranded page on LCMS (the two demos are here and here, but obv. the page(s) can be designed specifically to what you have in mind.

    the LCMS payout is higher than Cammodelstore (LCMS offers 80% which rises to 85% of the total amount if earnings in any given week equal $100 or more, whereas Cammodelstore is capped at 80%) and there's no start-up fees.

    either way, I think it's wicked that you're experimenting with combining the different elements of your work, I wish ya good luck with it.
    Oh wow, those unbranded pages look neat! Do I just sign up on the site normally or do I need to talk to you to have this done?

    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    Payoneer will pitch a fit if they catch you doing private loads for clients paying you, "high risk" transactions is not what that is for at all. If the customer wants a charge back, be prepared for a short account lock and instant refund of your money to the customer. They are a little gentler than PayPal, but it can still ruin your day.
    I was wondering, but I think I just misunderstood why they have private loading the first place. For yourself?
    I was just looking for an alternative for cam custies to pay me without using PP or revealing any sort of private information.

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    That's why the existence of many different "adult" billing services and sites, such as Loveshooks site, CammodelDirectory, ModelCentro, SkyPrivate, CamGirlCollective, and many others.

    The Payoneer option is for "friends and family" and low-risk transactions like standard contract work with papertrails and invoices...things that knowing real names generally isn't an issue. These are the rules put on them by the credit card companies. Having a high-risk merchant account is a very big deal and takes a lot of work, and the cc companies don't like high-risk things being billed on low-risk standard merchant accounts. High-risk accounts come with much higher transaction fees, and cc companies don't like being cheated out of their money or having their billing portals used for things they didn't fully investigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    These are the rules put on them by the credit card companies. Having a high-risk merchant account is a very big deal and takes a lot of work, and the cc companies don't like high-risk things being billed on low-risk standard merchant accounts. High-risk accounts come with much higher transaction fees, and cc companies don't like being cheated out of their money or having their billing portals used for things they didn't fully investigate.
    ^^^this

    a lot of sites and services that are anti-adult or try to actively dissuade use for adult processing are due to rules set by the cc companies. adult processing is a huge cash grab for them and as a result many services avoid adult simply to avoid the additional costs involved. it's a ridiculous situation but it's one each of us are forced to work around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonikku View Post
    Oh wow, those unbranded pages look neat! Do I just sign up on the site normally or do I need to talk to you to have this done?
    awesome, I'm delighted that you might be interested. since you're looking to create a space that's tailored to your specific work/persona it probably makes sense to PM me or shoot me an email at [email protected] with the details of what you have in mind. the pages(s) can be anything you want them to be so if you let me know what you have in mind I can build it. you mentioned that you currently have a blog, I can match your page(s) to that design if you like.

    if you have any questions let me know, you can either post em here or contact me privately, whichever you prefer

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Also ModelCentro is working on having store capabilities and a phone app! I just confirmed with them that it is definitely happening, so stoked about that!
    Really? That is freaking fantastic news!

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    Do NOT link the two.

    You might be doing it to drive traffic & sales to your art, but it won't. It will get you lots of men pestering you for free sex, dates, skype, phone number, dirty emails NOT SALES of art.

    Now the skills on basic online marketing will be an asset to your camming and separately for your art. Do not delude yourself into thinking these men will want to buy your art. They are horny men logging on cam sites to get sex in real life & if not cyber sex. They are NOT your friends & support you no matter what endeavors you do.

    Keep the two separate. Do you want to be constantly deleting comments of "cum to my country & fuck me? " or "I'll buy your art for $50 to $500 if you deliver it to my house naked & fuck me?" How will it look to female art buyers?

    Then how many other cam girls are selling art work when they cam?

    So if a guy, a fan buys an art piece, does a charge back to get your real name & address, then what? He takes that info & post it all over the web & in your cam room. How do you feel about that?

    When it comes to selling art, why not just get a regular merchant account to do sales with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Do NOT link the two.

    You might be doing it to drive traffic & sales to your art, but it won't. It will get you lots of men pestering you for free sex, dates, skype, phone number, dirty emails NOT SALES of art.

    Now the skills on basic online marketing will be an asset to your camming and separately for your art. Do not delude yourself into thinking these men will want to buy your art. They are horny men logging on cam sites to get sex in real life & if not cyber sex. They are NOT your friends & support you no matter what endeavors you do.

    Keep the two separate. Do you want to be constantly deleting comments of "cum to my country & fuck me? " or "I'll buy your art for $50 to $500 if you deliver it to my house naked & fuck me?" How will it look to female art buyers?

    Then how many other cam girls are selling art work when they cam?

    So if a guy, a fan buys an art piece, does a charge back to get your real name & address, then what? He takes that info & post it all over the web & in your cam room. How do you feel about that?

    When it comes to selling art, why not just get a regular merchant account to do sales with?

    Sam
    for sure going the 'two separate worlds' route would make it easier for the OP to sell her art, I'm with you there. If she does choose to combine them though, based on my own personal experience of combining different talents I wouldn't anticipate that she'd run into any major issues with clients. Just the opposite, actually, in my own case I think I end up being more interesting to a lot of them because of my off-cam work.

    I've done web design work for cam clients (and got a shit ton of referrals on top of that), I've done writing work for a few clients, it's not that big a deal if you protect your private info and maintain healthy boundaries (as cam chicas we all learn how to do that anyways). In my case I just set simple rules, cam clients get treated like cam clients when we're camming, and they get treated like vanilla clients when we're collaborating off cam. None have ever tried to take advantage of either side of the work. As far as personal info being discovered, with a decent credit card processor that's not an issue at all.

    for sure the decision has to be made strategically, and the OP may find that keeping the two separate is of benefit to her,all I'm saying is that I haven't found your prediction to be the case in my experience. Granted, that's anecdotal though so take it for what it's worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    for sure going the 'two separate worlds' route would make it easier for the OP to sell her art, I'm with you there. If she does choose to combine them though, based on my own personal experience of combining different talents I wouldn't anticipate that she'd run into any major issues with clients. Just the opposite, actually, in my own case I think I end up being more interesting to a lot of them because of my off-cam work.

    I've done web design work for cam clients (and got a shit ton of referrals on top of that), I've done writing work for a few clients, it's not that big a deal if you protect your private info and maintain healthy boundaries (as cam chicas we all learn how to do that anyways). In my case I just set simple rules, cam clients get treated like cam clients when we're camming, and they get treated like vanilla clients when we're collaborating off cam. None have ever tried to take advantage of either side of the work. As far as personal info being discovered, with a decent credit card processor that's not an issue at all.

    for sure the decision has to be made strategically, and the OP may find that keeping the two separate is of benefit to her,all I'm saying is that I haven't found your prediction to be the case in my experience. Granted, that's anecdotal though so take it for what it's worth
    One of my bff has a photography site, She has some of my pics on it, due to I got her, her very first magazine cover. Many men called thought she was me from around the world & talked dirty to her. Not to mention the emails she got for sex. They paid no attention to the fact there was only 10 pics of me & 100s of other photos of all types, like outside, bridges, weddings & such. Those men spent no time other than to call her number or email she had listed to get more photography bookings.

    Happy to know you don't have any problems, but there can be.

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