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    A while back the illustrious Mz Hoohah that got me thinking. I've been doing this job for years but had only ever given myself one small raise, and while my old rates 5 years ago were lower-range then, now they would actually be considered higher than average. Not even factoring in cost of living increases, rates are actually lower now than when I started 5 years ago.

    Inspired by that post I gave myself a real raise, and the results have been dramatic. I could kick myself for all the money I left on the table for so long, it all goes into savings but I could actually live on the difference between my pre-and post-raise earnings. I can't thank you enough for that, MH.

    A few of us have been talking about indy rates and I thought it would be usefull to do an indy-style 'raise the rates' challenge. Anyone is welcome to participate, and if we all report back with our experiences it might encourage other chicas to give themselves a raise. For those who are interested, how does a 3 week challenge sound? That would be long enough for chicas to gauge how the experiment works for them, but not too long that it gets forgotten. I was thinking about a start date of April 1 so that everyone has time to think about their new rates strategy (and to give me time to update all the profiles in time), sound good?

    For LCMS members who participate, the base payout will be 85% for the duration of the contest. Since most of you get 85% anyways, each week of the contest I'll offer a $50 prize to the top earner. I'll send everyone on the site an email about this in the week coming, as I know some chicas aren't sw'ers.

    I hope that those of you who are down for this will post about your thought process at arriving at your new rates. That I believe will be the real value in this, in exploring how rates can be designed to suit our unique goals and circumstances we can introduce a methodology that really isn't discussed all that often. Chicas who work big box parse per min rates endlessly, whereas we rarely talk about it. I wonder how much that silence is implicated in our slide backwards down the per min scale.

    An important note, I think it's vital that this challenge remain judgment-free. Chicas who don't want to participate shouldn't feel ostracized, there's no shame in finding your 'sweet spot' and sticking to it. What I do hope is that those of you who don't participate would also contribute to the discussion, as your thoughts and experiences are equally valid and would definitely contribute to the knowledge base.

    So yeah, shall we do this?
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    I'm down! But I'm also new to the whole Indy scene lol... I'm mainly nervouse because guys already complain and get make snarky replies with the prices I have... They'll say things like woah 30$ for 10 minutes??? "No thanks" " I can get better" also how about the regulars that are used to our old prices how do I explain that...on ppm box sites it seems easier because u don't have to tell them anything they just see ur higher prices before you go private and either leave or make a comment or suck it up and pay the higher price

    Also what is considered high ?
    On most Indy sites I see 3.99 as high? Majority 2.99and lower...Are we going higher than that? Or higher than our own personal prices?

    I have been focusing on my Indy game so much more than on my box sites it's so much more fun and relaxing!and hanging out with my pup all day versus putting him outside while I work
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaLovely View Post
    Also what is considered high ?

    On most Indy sites I see 3.99 as high? Majority 2.99 and lower...Are we going higher than that? Or higher than our own personal prices?
    In terms of the average high end, it's prob about $5 per min (free chat chicas are choking on their coffee/wine/water here), but the challenge isn't about everyone charging that amount. Rather, it's about each participant examining her/his rates menu and designing a new menu strategically. I guess the best way to explain it is that we all need to think about why we choose the rates we choose. We all have different goals/needs/strategies so of course there's no 'ideal' to match. The ability to design our own strategies to suit our own needs is the best thing about indy*

    I would consider a $0.50 per min raise as participating in the contest. really what I hope is that chicas factor their 'off cam' promotional work into the equation in designing a new rates menu. In indy more than anywhere else, the harder we work the more we can charge (as promo work ensures a steady stream of new clients that allows us to pick and choose from potential prospects). I'd love to see that work reflected in our rates, I'll be joining too (I realized I didn't make that clear in the OP)

    *that and spending time with the furry ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaLovely View Post
    I'm down! But I'm also new to the whole Indy scene lol... I'm mainly nervouse because guys already complain and get make snarky replies with the prices I have... They'll say things like woah 30$ for 10 minutes??? "No thanks" " I can get better" also how about the regulars that are used to our old prices how do I explain that...on ppm box sites it seems easier because u don't have to tell them anything they just see ur higher prices before you go private and either leave or make a comment or suck it up and pay the higher price

    Also what is considered high ?
    On most Indy sites I see 3.99 as high? Majority 2.99and lower...Are we going higher than that? Or higher than our own personal prices?

    I have been focusing on my Indy game so much more than on my box sites it's so much more fun and relaxing!and hanging out with my pup all day versus putting him outside while I work
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    I charge 5 a min always Period!
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    My original rates were $2.99/min. I raised mine by $3.25/min and have only gotten one minor complaint so far. My end of the year goal is a $3.50/min. I think this is pretty realistic. I feel sort of intimidated because most of the CMD girls are only charging $1.99/min, but I haven't really noticed a decrease in sales for camshows. Then again, it's only twenty five cents so far.

    Does NiteFlirt count as indy? I think it's a 50/50 split because about half of my clients on NiteFlirt have been brought in or maintained by myself. I have noticed that I rarely get gents who will call me at $3.50+/min. This is frustrating when NiteFlirt pays out less and my $3.99/min line is with cam. Has anyone else had this experience?

    I think indy really needs some ladies who raise their rates. When one cam model is willing to raise her rates and maintains sales, it provides other girls with enough courage to feel enough to try raising their own rates.

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    Im down!! I just raise yesterday from 4.99 till 5.59 and from 6.99 till 7.59 its ok?

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    It is time. I am raising mine 1 whole dollar to $3.99 a minute for all new customers.
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    I'm so excited about this thread! I'm looking forward to seeing what happens, and I hope the thread can flourish even after the LCMS challenge is done. I feel very certain that with indy, a rising tide will float all our boats.

    @LH, I knew you were really happy about the results of your raise, but I didn't realize that the benefits were that significant! That's incredibly inspirational!

    I recently raised my rates on CMD because I realized that they weren't high enough to compete with my cut from LCMS, and I want them to be balanced. Unfortunately, I did the raise directly before CMD changed over to the new site, and it's really hard to judge whether any results were caused by the new site or the new rates. I know a lot of ladies have said that there has been a significant change in traffic patterns since the site change.

    For the challenge I am going to boost my LCMS rates up to my current CMD rates, and then boost my CMD rates higher as well. My rates are not listed per minute, but instead as "xx minutes - $$" If I average the $/min for each of the time blocks I offer, my current rate on LCMS is $2.86/minute. The new LCMS rates will average out to $3.41/minute, so that's a $0.55/minute raise. My CMD average will go from $3.41/minute to $3.86/minute ($0.45/minute raise).


    I'm going to have to keep more accurate records and work more consistently until April so that I can have a solid baseline for my earnings at my current rates. It's my Pre-Challenge Challenge! If there are other ladies that may have been slacking a bit, do you want to join me for some pre-gaming? The pre-challenge is to set yourself a goal to improve your current work habits so that you'll be better off when the official challenge rolls around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical_Hoohah View Post
    @LH, I knew you were really happy about the results of your raise, but I didn't realize that the benefits were that significant!
    chica, trust me, I was blown away myself. another really weird consequence was that not only did my best guys happily pay my new rates without issue or mention, they started booking me more frequently. I track stats obsessively and there was a noticeable, statistical difference across the board with my fav dudes. since those guys are also the most fun to cam with I actually enjoy the work even more; that I never expected.

    for real though, I owe you a drink. By now actually I think I owe you a 'fly yo azz down here for a drink on the beach' drink

    as to the challenge, so wicked that some of y'all are down, and I agree that this should be about more than LCMS. I just wanted the site to sponsor it to provide a little extra incentive. I want LCMS to help act as a force for positive change in the niche- for all chicas who work skype, so I figured that component could serve as an incentive. As MH pointed out in the OP in the linked thread, we rarely talk about this ish. Collectively I think some of us know we're due a raise. We deserve one too, everyone who does the work knows how hard we work, before we even turn on our cams.

    I still need to think about my new rates menu so I'm still in the strategy stage, but I'll post about my rational for price raising as soon as I have it figured out. I'll also send out an email this week to everyone on the site with a link to this thread, so that everyone who wants to join in can do so.

    Just to reiterate though this is for everyone, not only LCMS listees and not only for chicas who are down for the challenge. No shame in sticking to your current rates, what would be awesome is if those of you who have already experimented and found your sweet spot would take the time to explain why, and thereby contribute to the ideas/knowledge we're building here.

    the whole point is to critically examine why each of us charges what we do, with the aim of not leaving any extra $$$$ on the table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magical_Hoohah View Post
    I'm going to have to keep more accurate records and work more consistently until April so that I can have a solid baseline for my earnings at my current rates. It's my Pre-Challenge Challenge! If there are other ladies that may have been slacking a bit, do you want to join me for some pre-gaming? The pre-challenge is to set yourself a goal to improve your current work habits so that you'll be better off when the official challenge rolls around.
    ^^brilliant idea, sort of like 'polish up the house before you sell it'. I hope that doesn't come off as offensive, it just popped into mind as I was reading your post. I did that before my last raise, I realized i had gotten a bit too cranky/stressed with my guys and I toned down the attitude in recognition of the fact that they'd be paying more for my time, meaning I could cam less to reach higher goals. I also boosted the promo-factor, but that had more to do with LCMS that my site at that point.

    but yeah, a bit of preparation can go a long way to ensuring challenge success. If I ever have to go to war I want you as my squadron captain.
    hope everyone is having a wicked $$$$ night

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    I am up for the challenge as well, and like MH, I offer blocks, so I will be upping those. But I noticed when figuring out the new prices, LS you don't have $95 in the pull down menu. So hopefully you can add that in and I can raise my $90 to $95

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    Hmmm...this is some interesting food for thought. I think I based my original (and current) indy rates off loveshooks's rates, so it would be worth taking a peek! Now that I am on SkyPrivate that has a flat per-minute, I want to get more doing it that way. I am going to do the math on my other rates on CMD and LCMS (as well as redo my LCMS profile, omg I wrote that as my first indy profile and I totally forgot it still sucks) to see how much I can wiggle around. I raised my rates on SM and nobody complained, I hope they will keep mum about this too!

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    @tinamarie - I answered in the LCMS thread, too, but in case anyone is wondering on this thread, LH can personalize your drop down menu. I've asked to have "odd" amounts added to my drop down menu multiple times (and will probably have do it again for the challenge).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsie View Post
    I am going to do the math on my other rates on CMD and LCMS (as well as redo my LCMS profile, omg I wrote that as my first indy profile and I totally forgot it still sucks) to see how much I can wiggle around.
    first off, your profile is great, I think it's really well-written. let me know any changes you want to make though and I'll complete them promptly.

    I'm actually thinking of trying a set per min rate for all my price points, I've always done the 'classic indy' sliding scale but now I wonder if I've been leaving $$$$$ on the table, particularly for my mid-range length shows. Another example I think of how easy it is to make critical decisions without really thinking about them-guilty as charged on that count over here.

    I don't do that many 10 min shows so I'm not all that concerned about that rate. I'll prob raise it to $40 just for kicks. most of my clients prefer an hour or two, so again I don't want to go too high so that they can't afford to see me whenever they wish (they're also tend to be my fav dudes), but I think at the very least my mid-range rates need a boost.

    I'm thinking $3.50-$4 on LCMS/my own site, and 50 cents per min extra on top of that on the side sites that offer a lower payout. I'll have my strategy ironed out by the end of the week, and by the end of the week I'll also have notified everyone on the site so those who want to participate have some time to think up their own strategy.

    I'm curious, for chicas who have switched from sliding scale to a set per min rate, did you notice any meaningful difference in length of shows purchased? this is new territory for me so I'm curious to try it, but I'd love to hear feedback from chicas who have already gone that route.

    I'm delighted that this is happening, and that so many chicas are on board. Stagnate rates actually end up being a loss of income over time once cost of living is factored in, so really as the niche has grown we've been sliding backwards. The exact opposite of what's been occurring over the years on the network sites. That to me is a real indicator that this niche can support a raise; the money is there, now it's time for us to claim our share

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    okay here's my rates currently for Indy

    2.99/min 10minute minimum
    3.99/min quickies (anything under 10minutes)
    2.50/min 30 minute shows
    1.99/min hour shows

    I started advertising this and I had majority of guy that bought 15-20 minute shows bit my 30 minute price promo instead!!!

    New rates!!!
    3.99/min 10minute minimum
    4.99/min quickies (anything under 10 minutes)
    3.49/min 30 minute shows Discounts
    2.99/min 1 hour shows

    all my shows are 10 minute guys.... And I never mention the quickie rate unless they aske me .. Cuz let's face it if they can cum quicker for a discount they would!
    Some days I make my daily goal all in 10 minute shows from Indy
    Other days it's just a nice lil chunk to help me reach my daily goal on box sites
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    I raised my indy rates today! Tired of cheap asses who want the whole Skype experience (c2c AND talking back and forth) for pennies! I'm now at $4 a minute on all of my indy sites! Already had some buyers today after I raised them

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    I've also been wondering about the virtues of different rate structures. I feel like you can handle your rates a few ways (the examples are just made up):
    ~ blocks on a sliding scale (10 min -$40, 15min - $55, etc.),
    ~ a single per minute rate ($4/min), or
    ~ some hybrid sliding scale per minute rate (10 min+ = $4/min, 30min+ = $3.50/min, etc.).


    Some questions/thoughts that have crossed my mind about how one can list one's rates:

    1) I feel like the sliding scale blocks are most likely to cause sticker shock because "60min - $170" looks a lot worse than "$4/minute," even though it's much cheaper. Of course, once the guy whips out his calculator, he might easily get sticker shock from the $4/min, but it's going to take a few extra seconds to realize it. Is it likely that "60 min - $170" looks scary enough that more guys run away before they can even stop to do the math?

    2) Can guys be trusted to do the math properly with a per minute rate? The AW thread is full of cautions about guys that will do the math wrong for Skype shows, whether by accident or on purpose, and then you have to badger them to correct it.

    3) With a per minute rate, what happens if the amount comes out to something weird, like 13 minutes x $3.99 = $51.87 (I don't know why a dude would request a 13 minute show, but it could happen)? How do they physically pay on LCMS? We can't possibly have our drop down boxes set to contain every possible combination, right? Even now, there are girls with rates like $2.50/minute, but no drop down option for $37.50 (15 minutes). How do you ladies manage that? Are you rounding up? Down? Do you just base your possible show lengths on round $$ amounts?

    These are all questions directed to the group, btw. I don't think LH has much experience with per minute rates, so I'm hoping that some of you with different rate structures will chime in, please? :
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    I've always done a flat rate because it just seemed simpler for me. I raised my rates at the start of the year from $3/min to $4/min because my hourly average suddenly shot up on SM. I was doing so well on CMD at $3/min (in the top 5 for months and got the top earner bonus one month) but I was actually losing money by doing skype shows instead of working on SM. I lost a lot of customers when I bumped up my rates, but most of them were guys who I wanted to drop anyway.

    Of course all this happened right around the same time as the big CMD switcharoo so it was hard to tell whether my rates were affecting my traffic or the site was. I'm going to stick it out for a few more months and see what happens. Overall, I'm making more money now because I'm able to focus on SM instead of wasting SO MUCH TIME hashing out skype shows and juggling all their contradictory requests. Most of my skype shows now are very straightforward, the guys are more respectful and I don't have as many people trying to haggle with me. Definitely a plus for my mental health!


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    I havent gone indy yet but I was a bit mind boggled to see how low the rates are. I do really well on SM so why would I accept a show where I charge less because I am indy? I understand the thinking of "because I make a bigger percent of the cut I should lower my rates", But doesnt that conflict with my image on SM then? If a customer has $350.00 to spend I want $350.00 of his money. My cut of that is none of his business so its not up for debate. I feel like if your willing to spend that on SM why should I give you a discount when I do the same show Indy.

    Am I crazy here?

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    I feel like if your willing to spend that on SM why should I give you a discount when I do the same show Indy.

    Am I crazy here?
    nope, not at all, and I think most of the peeps posting here agree completely. the idea is that those who are used to big box can influence us indy chicas who haven't been on network sites for years (holla MH, Ivy B, Ivy Rose, Jaidyn). I've been indy for 5 years and I've learned something about rates from each one of these chicas who are brand new to the niche.

    The whole point is to cease being the 'discount option', when what we offer is so much more than that. MH went into a whole brilliant numerical breakdown in the link in the OP.

    you're not crazy in the slightest, rather you're reacting (understandably) to what we're trying to change here. that we net more shouldn't mean that we earn less. and it shouldn't mean that our guys spend less to enjoy what we offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    nope, not at all, and I think most of the peeps posting here agree completely. the idea is that those who are used to big box can influence us indy chicas who haven't been on network sites for years (holla MH, Ivy B, Ivy Rose, Jaidyn). I've been indy for 5 years and I've learned something about rates from each one of these chicas who are brand new to the niche.

    The whole point is to cease being the 'discount option', when what we offer is so much more than that. MH went into a whole brilliant numerical breakdown in the link in the OP.

    you're not crazy in the slightest, rather you're reacting (understandably) to what we're trying to change here. that we net more shouldn't mean that we earn less. and it shouldn't mean that our guys spend less to enjoy what we offer.
    This is a huge relief and makes me want to press forward into the world of Indy even more. I know it's always scary to raise your rates but for all of you Indy girls I say go whole horse on this. You already know these guys are willing to drop big bucks cause they do it for the big sites so set your eye on the prize.
    Even if you lose clients you will be making more from the ones who stay and the new guys (lets face it our business is built on the client you haven't even hooked yet) won't know any different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical_Hoohah View Post
    I've also been wondering about the virtues of different rate structures. I feel like you can handle your rates a few ways (the examples are just made up):
    ~ blocks on a sliding scale (10 min -$40, 15min - $55, etc.),
    ~ a single per minute rate ($4/min), or
    ~ some hybrid sliding scale per minute rate (10 min+ = $4/min, 30min+ = $3.50/min, etc.).


    Some questions/thoughts that have crossed my mind about how one can list one's rates:

    1) I feel like the sliding scale blocks are most likely to cause sticker shock because "60min - $170" looks a lot worse than "$4/minute," even though it's much cheaper. Of course, once the guy whips out his calculator, he might easily get sticker shock from the $4/min, but it's going to take a few extra seconds to realize it. Is it likely that "60 min - $170" looks scary enough that more guys run away before they can even stop to do the math?

    2) Can guys be trusted to do the math properly with a per minute rate? The AW thread is full of cautions about guys that will do the math wrong for Skype shows, whether by accident or on purpose, and then you have to badger them to correct it.

    3) With a per minute rate, what happens if the amount comes out to something weird, like 13 minutes x $3.99 = $51.87 (I don't know why a dude would request a 13 minute show, but it could happen)? How do they physically pay on LCMS? We can't possibly have our drop down boxes set to contain every possible combination, right? Even now, there are girls with rates like $2.50/minute, but no drop down option for $37.50 (15 minutes). How do you ladies manage that? Are you rounding up? Down? Do you just base your possible show lengths on round $$ amounts?

    These are all questions directed to the group, btw. I don't think LH has much experience with per minute rates, so I'm hoping that some of you with different rate structures will chime in, please? :
    wicked post, and you're totally right. flying blind over here.

    as far as the hypothetical 13 min show my first instinct would be be to charge by 5-10 min increments regardless of the per min rate. Beyond being easier for clients to multiply, I can't even fathom entertaining a clock watcher who wanted a 13 min show. granted, yes that is a potential detraction from big box, (the ability to duck out at any moment to stop the clock) but these guys know why they book us, there is a salient difference between the type of experience a guy gets on big box vs us (not knocking the network chicas, speaking only to the difference in approach). I've lost count of how many 'shorter show' dudes send me tips just because I kept a wicked convo going for a few mins after the clock ran out. I can't count how many wicked regs I've gained just because of that practice.

    I agree with you on potential sticker shock though, which is why I'm happy that my button javascript is equally easy to code with minutes instead of prices. Apologies for the cross-thread reference but I went through all the button option in the LCMS thread. Different menus/rates strategies call for differently-styled payment buttons and I'm happy that LCMS can accommodate there.

    Tbh if a dude (no matter what my rates) asked for a 13 min show I'd be laughing too hard to ban him. Parsers, clock watchers, guys obsessed with getting every moment of what they spend but not a minute more or less, they're the worst sort of clients.

    Like I wrote in the LCMS thread, I can code buttons to whatever specifications suit each individual listee in seconds, it's simply a matter of adding integers. Complicated rates menus aren't an issue so please feel free to request any rates menu that suits your aims. While that's not an issue, I suspect that granting guys an excuse to be annoying might be. the paradox of choice might also be an issue.

    For that reason I've decided that I'm going to stick to a 5-10 min increment scale, all at the same $4 per min rate except for my longest shows. I adore my regs and I've already boosted them $40 per hour-and they pay it happily-but I'm not ready yet to go further there. Either that or institute an informal cool beans discount which would take way too much time to explain.

    Y'all are fucking awesome btw. I've spent years in academia and between LCMS/SW I'm surrounded by intellect and strategical thinking in concentrations of which I've yet to experience elsewhere.

    hoping everyone is having a wicked $$$$$ night
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    I use google timer and it has this really annoying, piercing beep pattern when the timer finishes and it works great for the time watcher type guys or the guys who try to stretch your time limits. All you need to do is type google timer into your browser search bar then type in how many minutes then press start. I bet there is even a short code to start it up directly from the search bar.
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    Skype has a timer next to their names which is awesome so I just use that now for shows. Sometimes I'll use cooltimer from cnet. As for raising indy rates I've played with them a bit. I usually bounce from $4-5 per min with a 10 min minimum but I'm thinking of raising them to $5 here on out. One thing that annoys me are sites like NF. I swear, anything over $3.50 on there and it's silence which boggles my mind because if I went down to $3.50 on SM I'd be in pvt 90% of the time. However, I love a challenge and I will be going for $4.50 on NF. If they don't like it they can try and find my clone. She doesn't exist though Great challenge LS!




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    I'm curious, for chicas who have switched from sliding scale to a set per min rate, did you notice any meaningful difference in length of shows purchased? this is new territory for me so I'm curious to try it, but I'd love to hear feedback from chicas who have already gone that route.
    So I haven't gone from one to the other, but - and you're able to check if you want LH ^_^ - I believe that most of my shows are 40 mins and up on LCMS. Oh, and I do the set $4/min rate. I've had one client, the one who books the longest shows and often just throws in an extra 140$ tip after to ensure I take care of myself, so I forgive him for asking, if there was some sort of deal for longer shows. I just used the argument that the longer the session, the more draining and energy consuming it was, that for me, 40+ min shows were much more difficult than multiple 20 min shows. Which, of course, is true. For this reason, I valued the longer block sessions as just as worth my time as the shorter shows. He was amiable about it and never brought it up again.

    I also think I've had ONE guy on lcms who has contacted me (could be wrong but I tend to ask where they found me) who I didn't convert myself from SM. For this reason, I think they haven't acclimated to the sliding price menu and don't even question the fact that it's a flat per minute price, as SM is.

    I spent a lot of time thinking about doing the sliding price menu but in the end, especially when I *think* all of my clients are my own converts, it's ended up being much, MUCH more profitable doing a set price. My two cents


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