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    Ok, so I am trying to set my rates in stone and just be done. I looked around at rates on different sites for Cali. It's basically 200 per hour. I notice race tends to matter. I am Colombian, I do have African roots. I look similar to amber rose.. except I have long really wavy hair.. I am tanned because I go tanning.. Below are screen shots of my rates from website so far and a Newbie Special I made up including 15 mins .. Thoughts??

    IntroRates.pngRates.png


    I plan to provide towels, water, fresh fruit and non-scented wash. I have been working out for my photoshoot for a month. I great hair and my nails and toes are french. I do not have plastic surgery. My teeth are white and straight. I only want to stay at 4 star hotels. I will have a professional site. I have a wax warmer for the scent. I am working on a playlist now to help me keep track of time, picking songs have become a task.

    I looked at forums with hobbist on the sites and it seems like the are scared to see new girls. I thought 15 mins would be enough for a preview. I also dont want to over price myself. In my city and the bay area (N.Cali).. 200-220 seems normal.. The only girls I know that charge 300 and 400 has worked for 2 years or more and didn't start out that way.

    I really need more guidance on rates and incall locations..
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    read the thread on calculating your escort rate to get an idea. it really depends on how much you are putting in to it. are you staying at 4 and 5 star hotels/upscale incall locations, advertising in different places where men with money look for girls, getting high quality makeup/hair done/plastic surgery, etc? the fact that you are offering 15 minute packages makes me think you are not one of these kinds if girls. personally there is no way i would be charging $200 an hour but thats because I dont want to deal with a high volume of clients id rather have a small pool of guys that pay a higher price.

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    Your doing too much and not getting paid enough.

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    One clients perspective: I tend not to see providers under $300/hr or that do half hour appointments. Generalizing is fraught with peril, but I found providers that set minimum standards for what they'll accept tend to also provide a standard of service more in keeping with what I'll accept - 3-4 star hotels, on-time, certain level of conversation, clean towels available, background music, non-rushed feeling (but appt still wraps up when it should), and more personal preparation (nails, hair, etc).

    As to Columbian, I like to see foreign nationals, so perhaps stress that aspect to help not get hit by African American penalty.

    Generalizations aside, I do check rates in a local area to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasticGoldFish View Post
    One clients perspective: I tend not to see providers under $300/hr or that do half hour appointments. Generalizing is fraught with peril, but I found providers that set minimum standards for what they'll accept tend to also provide a standard of service more in keeping with what I'll accept - 3-4 star hotels, on-time, certain level of conversation, clean towels available, background music, non-rushed feeling (but appt still wraps up when it should), and more personal preparation (nails, hair, etc).

    As to Columbian, I like to see foreign nationals, so perhaps stress that aspect to help not get hit by African American penalty.

    Generalizations aside, I do check rates in a local area to help.
    At glance, I don't know your market, but with all factors being equal and you have a look similar to Amber Rose, I believe you should be in the 300/hr range at least. Me personally, I don't do the partial hour appointment, it's quick money, but it also that tends to bring in the creepers.

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    I rarely see any providers advertising for 15 mins... The minimum seem to be at least 30 mins and even then, it might be a little rushed. I think raising your rates a little might bring you a better clientele too.

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    Wtf? Why would anyone ever do a $80 quickie visit? That's very close to streetwalker territory. I'm seconding Elektra's suggestion of $300/hr or better.

    One more thing... You charge for your time, period. Offering different service levels at the same time begs the question, what's the difference between the service levels? No man will pay for extra without a good reason to.

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    Keep in mind that the main difference between a '15 minute girl' and an 'hour appointment girl' is that the latter can control the pace, keep the conversation interesting, tease, and make the customer feel like a million bucks. Maybe (and a big maybe) take a 15 min apt last min to fill a 2 hour gap between two appointments, but really you're doing the same work for an hour as for the 15 min, and you'll burn out. (Plus many upscale clients will see 15 min and think 'desperate crack head' and stay away.) Up your game, you're here, which means you're literate and capable. Oh, yeah, the other big difference between 15 min and hour: clean sheets and both customer and client are freshly showered... ;-)
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    I'm in the area you plan to work in. (I think you said you were touring NorCal in another thread?) You should be at $300 an hour and emphasize the fact that you are 1) Colombian, 2) visiting and will only be here for a short while and 3) drop-dead gorgeous. ;-}

    A 15 minute rate just looks trashy and you clients will suspect there's a revolving door on your room. I will rarely provide a 1/2 hour appt to previous clients, but the price is $200 - so not really much of a break cost-wise. Your time is valuable - price it that way.
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    I plan to provide towels, water, fresh fruit and non-scented wash. I have been working out for my photo shoot for a month. I great hair and my nails and toes are french. I do not have plastic surgery. My teeth are white and straight. I only want to stay at 4 star hotels. I will have a professional site. I have a wax warmer for the scent. I am working on a playlist now to help me keep track of time, picking songs have become a task.


    I looked at forums with hobbyist on the sites and it seems like the are scared to see new girls. I thought 15 mins would be enough for a preview. I also don't want to over price myself. In my city and the bay area (N.Cali).. 200-220 seems normal.. The only girls I know that charge 300 and 400 has worked for 2 years or more and didn't start out that way. I see a lot of girls running newbie or intro specials. I thought well that must be for a reason.

    I would much rather be low volume.

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    one thing i've read on forums is that having too many options can turn guys away. having a few guys can pick from might be enticing but having over 10 sounds confusing. just an opinion.

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    Having a 15 minute option makes you sound like you have the high volume of a streetwalker. Upscale guys will pay more, but won't want to see someone who is high volume. Ick.

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    Which site it is?

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    I'll be blunt because I think the boards are about sex workers being safe and earning the most they can - I don't think you can offer 15 minute appointments and also be low volume, keep your rates up, and maximize your safety. Each client you see means you're investing time in screening and other preparations. So each client is appointment time ++ other time invested. The amount of prep time/screening, whether a 15 minute or 1 hr appointment, is going to be about the same. This sunk cost of time multiplies in negative ways. Please keep in mind your goal, make as much as possible and work as little as possible - this is all our aspirations. Work is work, you want to spend your time elsewhere.

    I don't know your area, but a quick search on the sites I use yielded about the same rates as my area, which I'll note below. Maybe some providers can chime in on where you can check rates. Men do like to see new providers. Hopefully some providers can chime in and help with that as well, but I believe you are in error. You get a chance to advertise as a New Girl - look at it as an advantage not a deficit. I do not believe 15 minute previews will get you the type of clients you want, so I hope you're giving up on that. Please don't place a lot of stock on seniority; there is no union. I can't speak to actual experience with rates in your areas, but I see women coming in at a great variety of rates, in my area: $200-$400/hr is sort of the bulk of providers, with most at the middle range of $300 in my market. I don't tend to see women at $200/hr, although I'm sure there are many fine providers, I prefer women who have accepted time value and don't think of themselves as budget - I want pride and self confidence. If they value their time, they value mine. Assert your pride, assert your self confidence. You sound like you are going to provide great service, that you're taking care of yourself, and that you're providing a great atmosphere. Why waste all that time on short appointments and small compensation? The type of men who will be regulars and good pay for you are not typically in that bucket of customers.

    If you're planning new client special, how are you going to present it?

    Rant over, but hope you see I'm ranting with good intentions.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaStellar View Post
    I plan to provide towels, water, fresh fruit and non-scented wash. I have been working out for my photo shoot for a month. I great hair and my nails and toes are french. I do not have plastic surgery. My teeth are white and straight. I only want to stay at 4 star hotels. I will have a professional site. I have a wax warmer for the scent. I am working on a playlist now to help me keep track of time, picking songs have become a task.


    I looked at forums with hobbyist on the sites and it seems like the are scared to see new girls. I thought 15 mins would be enough for a preview. I also don't want to over price myself. In my city and the bay area (N.Cali).. 200-220 seems normal.. The only girls I know that charge 300 and 400 has worked for 2 years or more and didn't start out that way. I see a lot of girls running newbie or intro specials. I thought well that must be for a reason.

    I would much rather be low volume.

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    Northern CA has always been overfull of "working girls" and the rates/state laws reflect that. Also the swift takedown of the most popular regional hobby board has left a LOT of clients feeling unsure & uncomfortable about hobbying. IOW staying home with the wife never looked so good. lol

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    80 for 15 minutes? No no no ! I really do hope you change that. If you can, study how other ladies market themselves in your area: photos, ad text, website, ad locations, etc that will help. Amber Rose is super hot and you should be charging at least 300-400 depending on your location in Cali. Google Zoe Piers (escort) and you will see a lady who charges high dollar rates from pure marketing and pretty photos. I once went the route where I undercharged because it is really tough when starting out to have clients. It's easy to get desperate if you don't have another job besides doing this and you are brand new. I learned the hard way that people will take advantage of that rate and if you ever do decide to raise it, these guys more than likely won't be seeing you at the higher price.

    If you are not GFE.....It can be very tough in the industry....I will say that.


    Quote Originally Posted by EmmaStellar View Post
    Ok, so I am trying to set my rates in stone and just be done. I looked around at rates on different sites for Cali. It's basically 200 per hour. I notice race tends to matter. I am Colombian, I do have African roots. I look similar to amber rose.. except I have long really wavy hair.. I am tanned because I go tanning.. Below are screen shots of my rates from website so far and a Newbie Special I made up including 15 mins .. Thoughts??

    IntroRates.pngRates.png


    I plan to provide towels, water, fresh fruit and non-scented wash. I have been working out for my photoshoot for a month. I great hair and my nails and toes are french. I do not have plastic surgery. My teeth are white and straight. I only want to stay at 4 star hotels. I will have a professional site. I have a wax warmer for the scent. I am working on a playlist now to help me keep track of time, picking songs have become a task.

    I looked at forums with hobbist on the sites and it seems like the are scared to see new girls. I thought 15 mins would be enough for a preview. I also dont want to over price myself. In my city and the bay area (N.Cali).. 200-220 seems normal.. The only girls I know that charge 300 and 400 has worked for 2 years or more and didn't start out that way.

    I really need more guidance on rates and incall locations..

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    @sarcastic -- sorry - I did not read your post past the first line - the boards are not there for the ladies to stay safe - they were created by males as an attempt to control the price of pussy - they are the main reason that the industry has tanked - brainwashing women into lowering their rates -finally , there is a very strong movement away from the boys club board bs -- one of the early boards creator was actually convicted of attempted murder of a working girl

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    Raise em ! Like others said, keep to one hour minimum.
    You can always offer 30-45 min if you get leads who don't buy during last few days but placing the ad and looking lower end could mess your travel up and bring out a level of clientele ( bottom of barrel ) that you don't want.
    I toured that area too doing topless / nude massage and did fine. I'd highly recommend avoiding the lower end clientele!

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    Could not agree more. Men love deals in this hobby. Don't be that type of lady because men talk amongst each other for the best deal and it honestly is not worth it in the long run financially. Ladies that are firm with their prices are highly respected by men, which is something I have certainly learned over time. I totally understand that ladies are most in need of money when starting out. Why not have a reviewers discount, for say 10 dollars off for a review, just to get the ball rolling for you? That is, if you are okay with reviews. I have seen ladies give discounts off of 2nd appointments as well instead of the first appointment (to avoid the collector guys). If you aren't okay with reviews, how about having a girl friend take some cute video of your body and editing it on your laptop with some sexy music playing on the video? It helps guys know that you are real.

    Quote Originally Posted by carmen_b View Post
    Raise em ! Like others said, keep to one hour minimum.
    You can always offer 30-45 min if you get leads who don't buy during last few days but placing the ad and looking lower end could mess your travel up and bring out a level of clientele ( bottom of barrel ) that you don't want.
    I toured that area too doing topless / nude massage and did fine. I'd highly recommend avoiding the lower end clientele!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki_Fox View Post
    @sarcastic -- sorry - I did not read your post past the first line - the boards are not there for the ladies to stay safe - they were created by males as an attempt to control the price of pussy - they are the main reason that the industry has tanked - brainwashing women into lowering their rates -finally , there is a very strong movement away from the boys club board bs -- one of the early boards creator was actually convicted of attempted murder of a working girl
    Agree. I was talking about stripperweb boards as having a safety/earning aspect. I try to leave a light footprint, and take in consideration sex workers advising sex workers is the purpose; client comments are one side, one person, and I try to frame as such as much as possible.

    Other male boards should all be viewed as manipulative. Not always in mean spirited way, simply they are clients looking for best prices and their own goals - which are not always the same as providers. I do advise providers to eaves drop on the male dominated boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki_Fox View Post
    @sarcastic -- sorry - I did not read your post past the first line - the boards are not there for the ladies to stay safe - they were created by males as an attempt to control the price of pussy - they are the main reason that the industry has tanked - brainwashing women into lowering their rates -finally , there is a very strong movement away from the boys club board bs -- one of the early boards creator was actually convicted of attempted murder of a working girl
    Second this - on most of these boards if you're a dude and you say one nice thing you're branded a shill or a white knight or a "captain save-a-ho" (what does that even mean?). They'll also PM you with stuff like "man if you let these bitches start thinking they're worth $xxx ...." So it's like a stupid arms race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    Second this - on most of these boards if you're a dude and you say one nice thing you're branded a shill or a white knight or a "captain save-a-ho" (what does that even mean?). They'll also PM you with stuff like "man if you let these bitches start thinking they're worth $xxx ...." So it's like a stupid arms race.
    Yeah, I visited these male boards out of curiosity, there was a thread about tipping. Guys who said they never tipped were given high fives and the nice guys who said they like to leave an extra $20 or $40 when they're satisfied were given shit and advised not to leave anything.

    I remember one guy writing "What?! You leave a $20 tip? That's way too much, $80 for an hour is already good enough, how many people do you know make that much per hour? They should be satisfied with that salary. You don't need to leave a tip on top of that, in fact you shouldn't. It's guys like you who spoil the working girls, they'll get used to it and won't be happy anymore getting only $80, they will be expecting $100 or $120, you're ruining the hobby for us."

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    A visiting provider once came in at $200/hr, very new to independent work, and we had two appointments over two days. This was in my early years and I reviewed if asked (over a decade ago) Anyhow, we had a good session and I'd left a generous tip the day before because she was what I considered well below market for her service, looks, professionalism, etc. On the 2nd appt she took a clue from my tip and asked me what I thought her rates should be. I told her $300-$350/hr for incall, more for outcall, which was an honest assessment for our market. I advised her that her best bet was to go look at other provider advertising and reviews, especially look towards the very attractive visiting GFE providers and see what they were doing and she'd at least see her competition.

    Anyhow, she stayed in town for several days, then went to our sister city on her tour, and raised her rates. The State boards exploded looking for the 'turn coat'. Apparently she said a client advised her to raise her rates and so the blue haired boys club decided they'd been back stabbed. It's all rather juvenile. Either you go into the hobby and decide to keep treating people with a certain respect or you decide you are going to treat them as if they are not people. I'm fine with white lies for discretion and identity, nobody owes anyone their elementary school, town they grew up in, or other personal information, but there is just no reason to run around telling lies to serve some club. I don't like collectives, I don't like clubs, I don't like government, and anyone who speaks in "We or Us" can go screw themselves when they refer to a We or Us loyalty that I never signed on with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasticGoldFish View Post
    Either you go into the hobby and decide to keep treating people with a certain respect or you decide you are going to treat them as if they are not people. I'm fine with white lies for discretion and identity, nobody owes anyone their elementary school, town they grew up in, or other personal information, but there is just no reason to run around telling lies to serve some club. I don't like collectives, I don't like clubs, I don't like government, and anyone who speaks in "We or Us" can go screw themselves when they refer to a We or Us loyalty that I never signed on with.
    Well said. Thanks for treating us with respect.
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    Not trying to thread jack or anything but I hate these reviews boards with a fiery passion.It's like a fraternity of some sort really sad, and like a few others mentioned they love to try and tell you what you should be charging for your time,entertainment and body.I read a few reviews where guys were bragging about VIDEO RECORDING sessions!Can you believe that!They were laughing at the fact that the provider didn't even notice{now I make it mandatory that all devices be turned off and put away before a session begins-And I do fricken bodyrubs}These review boards and sites are really getting out of hand, I wish there was a way we could get these boards shut down like seriously or at-least the really nasty one's.
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