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    What do you all do with your pets while trying to cam/film. My beagle thinks he has to be in my lap 24/7 and follows me everywhere. If I shut the door, he stands on the other side and whines, barks and howls until I let him in. He has a crate but if he knows I'm home, he will bark until I let him out. Same thing with putting him in the kitchen with a gate. I don't like leaving him outside by himself because I live close to the road. Any ideas? I would really appreciate it!

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    Could you buy a kong and fill it with peanut butter / treats / something that would take him a long time to extract?

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    This is a good thread because I am going to be dog sitting for almost three weeks and I live in a SMALL apartment. I have a very high bed that the dog will not be able to jump on, so I might just cam from the bedroom while he is here. He is a pretty needy dog and his momma works from home and he is used to sitting on her lap all day, so it should be interesting. I might also get a big, tasty bone for him.

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    Firstly you need to walk you dog about an hour a day. Preferably off leash (although I wont let a hound off leash personally if he is over 2 years of age). Beagles are active and require a lot of exercise get a flexi lead so he can move around a lot if you keep him on leash. You should try to develop a routine where you go for a walk at about the same time every day. I also hope you are feeding him twice a day on a schedule, if your not then you need to start doing that to. Best time to feed is right after a morning walk if you can.

    The Kong is a great idea if he is into it but be sure to crate him when he has it.

    The next step no one likes.......You said if you crate him then he cries until you let him out. Um that is because you trained him that if he cries enough you will let him out. So you need to retrain him. This may require some suffering on your part. Take a day off cam and crate him while you remain in the house. Do not look at him, speak to him or under any circumstance let him out of his crate! Let him cry it all out!

    The best way to do this is take him for a walk in the morning. Feed him. prepare a kong or a meaty bone and lock him in his crate with it. Then go about doing things in your home while he whines at you.

    Take heart, you know he is exercised and has done his business so he is not suffering just whining. If you need a break then go out. When you come back let him out to do some business then immediately back in the crate.

    Eventually he will give up and fall asleep. Leave him for a bit but then go and open the door and let him out and give him lots of praise. If the day is still young Play a bit with him and then put him back in again. If it took all day take him out and then go about your normal evening routine with him (Im guessing its something like having him sleep on you while you watch tv or something like that). This could take more then one day of trying, Beagles are persistent little buggers But Your using positive reinforcement to train him that when he is in the crate that is your time to be by yourself.

    You can also teach him the command, "Go lay down" which means just what it says. When I say this to my dogs they go right to the couch where they are suppose to be and remain there until I am done camming but mine are crate trained so to teach them to go lay down was quite easy.

    You probably wont find a way to just placate your beagle for hours on end so its best to teach him that when he is crated its his time to relax and sleep and you will be joining when your done.

    If your beagle does this same behavior when your NOT at home then its separation anxiety and you should call in a professional trainer to help you and him, the method I explained above will not work if he has this problem because its behavioral AND psychological!

    If he knows that when you go out you will come home and he behaves fine while your gone then the crate training I listed above will work perfectly just so long as you do not acknowledge him in anyway while he is crying at you!

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    Oh one last thing best to put the crate some place where he will be near you like in the living room or in the room where you cam, this isnt an exercise in not seeing you but the exact opposite instead.

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    He has you trained at this point. Follow the advice above. I am sure there are youtube videos on how to train your dog too.

    I have both of mine trained, as soon as the lights & camera turn on, they go lay down & are quite. Most of the time they nap while I cam.

    Walking is a huge thing, dogs do need lots of exercise to get some of that energy burned out of them.

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    I have a shihtzu and she wants to be on a lap 24/7. But I've just developed a routine where I cam in my 2nd bedroom and if she disturbs me she has to leave, usually she just sleeps all day no matter what room she's in. Good luck!!!

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    Dogs are den animals and they love to have a spot to call their own. With proper training, dogs love having crates. I personally like to take a slower approach to getting a dog used to the crate which also minimizes discomfort and anxiety. I start with teaching the crate word. I basically toss treats in the crate until the dog is happy going in there to get them. I don't close the door. I don't say anything until that first behavior is set. After the dog reliably goes inside the crate for a treat, I start saying the crate word when I toss a treat in there. Some dogs learn the association after 6 or so tries. If the dog is already housebroken, and isn't a big chewer, make the crate comfortable..a nice soft bed, maybe a cover on top of the crate to give the dog more den-like privacy. After the dog knows what crate means, start feeding him/her her meals in there, without closing the door. This will help the dog learn that is a good spot to be in. Same with any treats or stuffed kongs you might dispense. After a few days of crate feeding with door open, try feeding with crate door closed, but stay right there next to the crate so the dog doesn't think you are leaving him/her. Release him after he is done eating and before he has a chance to fuss about it. If you want to take a nap, watch tv, or read a book, put the crate next to you so the dog can see you, and close the dog in there with something yummy to chew on. Progressively increase the time your dog stays in the crate with you in sight. When he can comfortably spend 2-3 hours in there with you in sight, start leaving the room for a bit after you crate him. Start small, a few minutes to 5 minutes. If he has a stuffed kong in there, he probably won't even notice you left at this point. Progressively increase the time you are away by 5-10 minutes. I am pretty sure in two weeks to a month of similar training steps you could have a dog that will love the crate. Beagles are smart and generally pretty food motivated so that's a good "salary" to motivate them to learn. Nobody works for free in life (would we cam for free? lol) so there is nothing wrong with finding and using stuff the dog finds rewarding to teach him good behaviors. Dogs aren't born knowing that crates are cool, and of course they will react just as you described if they aren't taught how to appreciate one. Of course you could put the dog in there and let him cry, eventually he will stop, but that to me would not create a positive association with the crate in the long run nor would it be pleasant for your ears or his anxiety levels. P.S. Exercise is SUPER important too of course, but being quiet and comfortable in a crate is a learned behavior that should work independently of how much exercise the dog is getting.

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    I have an 8 months old baby girl. I put her in the crate when I'm working. I highly recommend that.
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    They eventually learn. My roommates dog is clingy. She's either following her around, or if my roomies not home she's following me around. But she never bothers either one of us when were camming because she knows "talking to the computer" means she can't be in the room. Dogs are quick learners. I just had to be stern whenever she got near my computer when I was working and she caught on quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBunny View Post
    Dogs are den animals and they love to have a spot to call their own. With proper training, dogs love having crates. I personally like to take a slower approach to getting a dog used to the crate which also minimizes discomfort and anxiety. I start with teaching the crate word. I basically toss treats in the crate until the dog is happy going in there to get them. I don't close the door. I don't say anything until that first behavior is set. After the dog reliably goes inside the crate for a treat, I start saying the crate word when I toss a treat in there. Some dogs learn the association after 6 or so tries. If the dog is already housebroken, and isn't a big chewer, make the crate comfortable..a nice soft bed, maybe a cover on top of the crate to give the dog more den-like privacy. After the dog knows what crate means, start feeding him/her her meals in there, without closing the door. This will help the dog learn that is a good spot to be in. Same with any treats or stuffed kongs you might dispense. After a few days of crate feeding with door open, try feeding with crate door closed, but stay right there next to the crate so the dog doesn't think you are leaving him/her. Release him after he is done eating and before he has a chance to fuss about it. If you want to take a nap, watch tv, or read a book, put the crate next to you so the dog can see you, and close the dog in there with something yummy to chew on. Progressively increase the time your dog stays in the crate with you in sight. When he can comfortably spend 2-3 hours in there with you in sight, start leaving the room for a bit after you crate him. Start small, a few minutes to 5 minutes. If he has a stuffed kong in there, he probably won't even notice you left at this point. Progressively increase the time you are away by 5-10 minutes. I am pretty sure in two weeks to a month of similar training steps you could have a dog that will love the crate. Beagles are smart and generally pretty food motivated so that's a good "salary" to motivate them to learn. Nobody works for free in life (would we cam for free? lol) so there is nothing wrong with finding and using stuff the dog finds rewarding to teach him good behaviors. Dogs aren't born knowing that crates are cool, and of course they will react just as you described if they aren't taught how to appreciate one. Of course you could put the dog in there and let him cry, eventually he will stop, but that to me would not create a positive association with the crate in the long run nor would it be pleasant for your ears or his anxiety levels. P.S. Exercise is SUPER important too of course, but being quiet and comfortable in a crate is a learned behavior that should work independently of how much exercise the dog is getting.
    Yep I also agree with this, my method is considered positive punishment and some are against it. I was working from the assumption that your dog is already crate trained but won't go to its crate if your home. However if your dog does not like his crate all together then what blue bunny is saying couldn't be more correct. Start from the beginning and work slowly to make the crate a positive experience.

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    I REALLY wish cats could be trained like dogs. I just did a 15 minute custom video. IT TOOK ME AN HOUR to finally be able to film it because they were either running around chasing each other or they were meowing. I ended up putting them in the bedroom but my girl kitty was meowing to get out. My cats are assholes. I can be sitting with the laptop in front of me and they HAVE to walk in front of it rather than around it. If the camera and tripod is set up and I am filming they just HAVE to walk in front of it. I've had so many videos/shows ruined by those damn cats! I love them, but good lawd. I keep telling my SO that he needs to be more firm with them, rather than give into them.

    YOU need to be the dominate one. Animals are a lot like children. If they whine and cry and you give into them they start to think that it is okay and learn to manipulate you. They whine and cry and know that they will get what they want. It becomes a habit. You just have to let them know that it's not okay. There's a lot of resources out there on crating dogs. My parent's dogs loved being crated! They would put them in there every night because one of the dogs had a bad habit of escaping the yard. Every time they opened the door and told them to go to the garage they took off, got into their cages and laid down. They loved it, especially in winter when it was warm. They never barked or tried to get out, except a few times when it was to go to each other's cages.

    Definitely look into crating, it's going to make things so much better. Now if only I could make my cats into sweet babies....

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    My oldest boy (just shy of eight months) has massive separation anxiety. Just this morning, I put him on the other side of the baby gate from my younger girl (three month) so that I could feed them (feeding two different things at the moment). I cooked my breakfast five feet from that gate and he howled the entire time at being separated from me. He hates other people (but loves other dogs) with the exception of my boyfriend. My father babysat him for me for two weeks and was never once able to pet him without me holding him in place! He would come close, then run off and circle them.

    My three month old adores the crate for napping in. She'll go sleep in it when I'm napping most days. Little man will hide under my chair, under my desk, under my bed--under any sort of den conceivable--just not the damned crate. He has cried, howled, clawed, and whined whenever he gets put in it since literally the day I got him and he will howl for hours. I once spent 45 minutes going from in front of his crate to the hallway because he started clawing/crying as soon as I came near the crate and I didn't want to reward that negative behavior with being let out. Never caught on. Treats? Nope. Super long walk? Nope. Favorite toys and blankie? Nope. Feed him in it? Nope, won't eat. I tried just penning him in my bathroom or spare room when I work, but he literally tore the paint off of my bathroom wall and ripped my carpet out thread by thread in patches at the door. Crate is really my only option for him to be left alone. I just got him a new wire based crate (instead of the hard plastic for traveling) since he's outgrown his old one and he seems to be slightly more content with that one. I'm hoping he'll be peaceful in it, but he's really only calm when my little girl is inside as well and that just won't work long term with two growing German Shepherds.

    If anyone has a brilliant idea for training this out of him sooner rather than later, I'd love to hear them. His breeder warned me that his sire was incredibly shy and anxious as well and has grown out of it with the family/close friends, but that's a long time to wait.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justsometwat View Post

    YOU need to be the dominate one. Animals are a lot like children.
    Not to be a pest but this idea of being "dominate" is a farce and if you adopt that way of thinking when dog training you could really damage your dog. Take everything Ceasar Milan told you about dog training and throw it in the trash. It's no good to think of yourself as dominate because dogs don't understand dominance so it's really just abuse. You want to use positive reinforcement (Ian Dunbar's method) and possibly positive punishment but I see no real value I any type of negative punishment ie. hitting, yelling, scaring or hurting your pet. This idea of dominance relies on scaring at the very least and it could cause damage psychologically. So just be careful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    My oldest boy (just shy of eight months) has massive separation anxiety. Just this morning, I put him on the other side of the baby gate from my younger girl (three month) so that I could feed them (feeding two different things at the moment). I cooked my breakfast five feet from that gate and he howled the entire time at being separated from me. He hates other people (but loves other dogs) with the exception of my boyfriend. My father babysat him for me for two weeks and was never once able to pet him without me holding him in place! He would come close, then run off and circle them.

    My three month old adores the crate for napping in. She'll go sleep in it when I'm napping most days. Little man will hide under my chair, under my desk, under my bed--under any sort of den conceivable--just not the damned crate. He has cried, howled, clawed, and whined whenever he gets put in it since literally the day I got him and he will howl for hours. I once spent 45 minutes going from in front of his crate to the hallway because he started clawing/crying as soon as I came near the crate and I didn't want to reward that negative behavior with being let out. Never caught on. Treats? Nope. Super long walk? Nope. Favorite toys and blankie? Nope. Feed him in it? Nope, won't eat. I tried just penning him in my bathroom or spare room when I work, but he literally tore the paint off of my bathroom wall and ripped my carpet out thread by thread in patches at the door. Crate is really my only option for him to be left alone. I just got him a new wire based crate (instead of the hard plastic for traveling) since he's outgrown his old one and he seems to be slightly more content with that one. I'm hoping he'll be peaceful in it, but he's really only calm when my little girl is inside as well and that just won't work long term with two growing German Shepherds.

    If anyone has a brilliant idea for training this out of him sooner rather than later, I'd love to hear them. His breeder warned me that his sire was incredibly shy and anxious as well and has grown out of it with the family/close friends, but that's a long time to wait.
    I'd seriously suggest trying a crate cover. My pup with separation anxiety calms down the second his crate is completely covered. My other dog isn't happy in her crate unless her bed is there, but the second she's got a comfy spot to lie down, she's fine for hours.
    I've found that extremely high reward treats (i.e. bully sticks) are also helpful.
    And just since I didn't see this anywhere (sorry if I missed it), teaching the command "crate" with treats helps as well.

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    I 2nd the crate cover - mine is permanently nestled back in the closet, and my beagle thinks she's got a cozy little cave of her own.

    I had a lot of issues w/ whining/scratching on the other side of the door, went away when I kept the door open w/a baby gate instead so she could still keep an eye on the rest of her domain. Only big issue I have now is if I moan too loudly, she thinks it's pack howl time and joins in :p

    Good luck - beagles are super smartypants!

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    My boy howls at the baby gate, so that's not gonna work for camming. The separation from me is the issue, I think, not the crate itself. He hates it because he can't leave and come to me, same with the baby gate or a door. I pick the crate because he can't destroy paint/plaster/carpet trying to tear through the barrier in a crate. I've tried covering it in blankets and covers and he still tantrums like crazy. I also tried putting my well worn sweatshirts on his bed in it to see if the scent would calm him. Nope nope and nope. I'm utterly stumped as to what to do on this one.

    As for bully stick treats--no dice. He flat out ignores them in his crate and won't eat/drink/snack in it at all. He won't even go in with the door open.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepThoughts View Post
    Not to be a pest but this idea of being "dominate" is a farce and if you adopt that way of thinking when dog training you could really damage your dog. Take everything Ceasar Milan told you about dog training and throw it in the trash. It's no good to think of yourself as dominate because dogs don't understand dominance so it's really just abuse. You want to use positive reinforcement (Ian Dunbar's method) and possibly positive punishment but I see no real value I any type of negative punishment ie. hitting, yelling, scaring or hurting your pet. This idea of dominance relies on scaring at the very least and it could cause damage psychologically. So just be careful
    OMG YES. Cesar Milan is a fraud celebrity trainer that took dog training back 40 years. That motherfucker is eating karma right now. I can't believe his abusive methods made it as far as they did, how stupid could anyone be to think that instilling fear into a dog to make it behave would work in the long term. UGH.

    I also love Dr. Ian Dunbar's methods. Clicker training can work miracles as well. I am a huge fan of Dr. Sophia Yin, her vids on Youtube are priceless and they really work fast.

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    My other problem is that he isn't fully house broken. He can hold it all night and never has accidents in my presence, but when he's unattended he will immediately have an accident. I let him stay out in my living room while I ran to grab something from my car and came back to a steaming pile of poo and a puddle of pee on my carpet, plus two curtains torn down from him jumping at the windows to get to me. We'd just been on a thirty minute walk where he'd gone potty and he'd had no food for about 6 hours, so he literally just does this because he's upset with me for leaving him.


    I hate crating him for 4-8 hours a day just so I can cam, but I don't want his poor habits to rub off on my youngest girl and letting him stay loose when he's destructive/having accidents just won't do.


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    I would take my two border collies to the park and people asked if I was a dog trainer because they obeyed all commands off leash. I also had a pet sitting business.

    I agree with the crate suggestions above. Sometimes it does take longer than 1 day. Sometimes, it takes a week or more. It really depends on the dog and your patience. I've trained both of my border collies with crate training. Even my 14 week old puppy doesn't whine! But most of the time, I just let them play outside together all day. They love it. My border collies are very well trained (obviously the puppy needs more work), but I have experience raising dogs. I don't have a fenced in yard, but live on many acres (my older dog stays close and the puppy sticks with her). You may not have this arrangement, but another suggestion might be to have a fenced in yard for him to play in and to get your dog another buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    My other problem is that he isn't fully house broken. He can hold it all night and never has accidents in my presence, but when he's unattended he will immediately have an accident. I let him stay out in my living room while I ran to grab something from my car and came back to a steaming pile of poo and a puddle of pee on my carpet, plus two curtains torn down from him jumping at the windows to get to me. We'd just been on a thirty minute walk where he'd gone potty and he'd had no food for about 6 hours, so he literally just does this because he's upset with me for leaving him.


    I hate crating him for 4-8 hours a day just so I can cam, but I don't want his poor habits to rub off on my youngest girl and letting him stay loose when he's destructive/having accidents just won't do.
    Not likely, from what you have described he probably goes poo and Lee because he has such high anxiety. Dogs memories aren't sufficiently long enough for them to plan things based on the past. Isabelle you case is over severe. I could help a dog like that but not on the net. Dog training is something I do as a hobby. I don't have enough experience training to guide someone in your situation. You really need to get a trainer who can help you. Also get your hands on Ian Dunbar's books and start reading them.

    If your dog isn't treat or toy driven but always wants to be with you then you attention is his reward. You will have to start learning to take small steps, break down every behaviour you want to it simplest form and train from the ground up. He may never become a perfect dog but the good news is that most of these behaviours can be modified. Even in older dogs so if you're is still young your in good shape.

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    My other problem is that he isn't fully house broken. He can hold it all night and never has accidents in my presence, but when he's unattended he will immediately have an accident. I let him stay out in my living room while I ran to grab something from my car and came back to a steaming pile of poo and a puddle of pee on my carpet, plus two curtains torn down from him jumping at the windows to get to me. We'd just been on a thirty minute walk where he'd gone potty and he'd had no food for about 6 hours, so he literally just does this because he's upset with me for leaving him.


    I hate crating him for 4-8 hours a day just so I can cam, but I don't want his poor habits to rub off on my youngest girl and letting him stay loose when he's destructive/having accidents just won't do.
    By what you just said, I believe your dog has separation anxiety. I would crate him every time you leave him unattended. Also...If you do not catch the dog in the act at the moment of him peeing, your dog will simply not learn. A firm and low, "NO," (don't be too harsh here) while he is peeing and then putting him outside with a lot of praise after peeing is a good idea. You don't want your dog to learn to be SCARED to pee in front of you because you have been harsh before (I don't know if this is the case with you, but just putting that out there). As pet owners, we can either set our dogs up for success or failure.

    I personally would try a fenced-in yard with another buddy, too. If I saw your dog, your interaction, and your dog's behavior I think I could help more. Dog training books are your best friend and you might need to start pretending he is a small puppy and re-train.
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    Thanks ladies. I dunno if you got to see my earlier post (#13) Missy, as that gives much more detail. He obviously has separation anxiety and he's been antisocial since he was an eight week old puppy. His father was apparently much the same way (in complete contrast to his mother's temperament, which was very open and engaging) and has grown out of his shyness with close friends/family, but not his more aggressive guarding behaviors (as the breeder encouraged those in the sire). I have a puppy who's rapidly becoming a 110 pound adult and I need to be able to take him out AND leave him alone without him go bonkers.

    I got my second puppy (also a shepherd) a month ago and the difference between them is night and day for temperament. Since I'm house training her (utilizing the method you mentioned Missy), he's getting the same schedule of going out every 1-3 hours. I've gated off most of the house from their access to minimize the places they can have accidents unattended (especially since one particular spot in the house is his go to for 'anxiety driven' accidents. He hasn't been able to get to it for about two weeks now, so I'm hoping in the next few months he'll unlearn that spot as a potty place. With enough work and no opportunities for accidents, I'm hoping he'll be fully housebroken in the next month or two, as he's certainly old enough to be and I want him setting good examples for my three month old. I'm fairly confident this issue can be resolved if I keep on this schedule of regular walks, feeding, and highly restricted access for 'stealth' accidents.

    Crating is an entirely unique issue and I'm totally baffled on that one. Being that I don't exactly fit in the crate, I don't know what baby steps to use on him for that. My attention from outside of the crate at all sends him into a crying/howling panic. I'd put him outside more often, but I don't trust him unattended without a 6' fenced yard. I have a 5' fenced in dog run area of about 750-800 sqft, but he's starting to try to dig/escape and my youngest girl is still small enough to squeeze through the bars. I'm thinking a metal dog run between my large trees and house in back might work, but his size makes me leery of him ever pulling it loose and running into the traffic 50' away. I'm moving in August and a fully-fenced yard isn't negotiable this time. Mine is large, but fenced it is not.

    I'm trying to be firm on his command training right now, but he's in that hormonal/fear stage of puppyhood where any 'no' sends him running and he's contrary just to be contrary. I'm not kidding--I say come, so he'll stare at me, then prance the other direction. He's such a teenager right now and I guess 99% of my frustrations are that I don't know if this is stuff that's going to improve with time (as it has in my other shepherd's with very timid/anxious issues when younger) or something I need to aggressively work on.

    I'll definitely look into the books. This bugger is my best friend on earth and I really want him to be well adjusted.


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    But what do you do about cats?? I have 3 and sometimes they scratch at my door. I would like to have them on cam with me actually, but my boy cat is destructive and I can't just let the other two in the room, that wouldn't be right. Can cats really be trained like dogs?
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    I just let them run in and out for the most part, I cam mostly token sites and they don't care if there are animals running around. Sometimes the guys even give my pets a tip for being cute, and it helps liven up conversation when its slow.
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